It's only a good idea if the Yankees are paying enough to make it worth while. Its worth a try for a year or two and then you can change it if need be.

(02-29-2012 11:39 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Considering the ACC CCG attendance was up only slightly because of the move to Charlotte, the B1G having to pay people to go to Indy, and the SEC attendance was down for Atlanta, I'd have to agree that the home-field CCG format works better for attendance than the neutral site CCG. With a nationwide conference, I would think that putting the game at home field would be the most rational locale, but I get why the BE wants it at Yankee Stadium. They want the game to have the same prestige as having the BBall tournament at MSG. I would feel better about it if the game were at Giants Stadium rather than the Bronx, but there's definitely a BE-NYY connection they are willing to utilize.

The smallish size of Yankee Stadium will help hide a multitude of sins. It only holds 40k or so for FB vs the 75K in Charlotte and 80k in Jacksonville. I agree with the others who think a game at the field of the highest rated team is best, but they have scaled this to a reasonable size given the schools involved.

(02-29-2012 12:11 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:06 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  No permanent site makes sense. What if the championship game is between Boise & Louisville or Houston & Cincy? You're going to have a half-full stadium if it's in NYC. And what if it's a game between SDSU & UConn and it's held in Memphis?

A better plan is to have it in the home stadium of the school with the best record.

To bad it is becoming even more doubtful that Louisville will be part of this arrangement. Wish the nBe nothing but the best, it going to be a great league even without The Ville.

Can't wait for Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia & BYU coming into Papa John's for Football and playing Baylor, Kansas & K-State in Basketball...2014 baby.

See the first part of your post was fine and reasonable. The second part is inviting the people who are going around here acting butthurt to attack you.

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I'm interested to see how it works, to be honest with you. Of course, I'm of the opinion that the team with the better record should host the Big East (football) conference championship game. It just works better. My only issue with that is the opposing team's fan base. Will it get to travel to, say, San Diego or Houston and reasonably expect to have enough money to check out some of the sites before and after the game? That's where a neutral-site league title game could be beneficial in football. Of course, this is football we're talking about, not hoops, which is and will always be at MSG in NYC.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts on the matter. Take them for what you will.

(02-29-2012 12:11 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:06 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  No permanent site makes sense. What if the championship game is between Boise & Louisville or Houston & Cincy? You're going to have a half-full stadium if it's in NYC. And what if it's a game between SDSU & UConn and it's held in Memphis?

A better plan is to have it in the home stadium of the school with the best record.

To bad it is becoming even more doubtful that Louisville will be part of this arrangement. Wish the nBe nothing but the best, it going to be a great league even without The Ville.

Can't wait for Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia & BYU coming into Papa John's for Football and playing Baylor, Kansas & K-State in Basketball...2014 baby.

See the first part of your post was fine and reasonable. The second part is inviting the people who are going around here acting butthurt to attack you.

Fair enough...but really in the long term I don't see UConn & Rutgers in the current nBe as well.

(02-29-2012 12:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:11 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 12:06 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  No permanent site makes sense. What if the championship game is between Boise & Louisville or Houston & Cincy? You're going to have a half-full stadium if it's in NYC. And what if it's a game between SDSU & UConn and it's held in Memphis?

A better plan is to have it in the home stadium of the school with the best record.

To bad it is becoming even more doubtful that Louisville will be part of this arrangement. Wish the nBe nothing but the best, it going to be a great league even without The Ville.

Can't wait for Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia & BYU coming into Papa John's for Football and playing Baylor, Kansas & K-State in Basketball...2014 baby.

See the first part of your post was fine and reasonable. The second part is inviting the people who are going around here acting butthurt to attack you.

Fair enough...but really in the long term I don't see UConn & Rutgers in the current nBe as well.

I'm not sure we will either. I personally could care less about your post. But we're just trying to keep the peace around here. And you're a longtime, respected poster so I know you likely empathize.

(02-29-2012 11:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Big East is not the SEC.

Right. SEC = Simultaneously Everybody Cheating

Highest ranked team should host, for reasons of: attendance, not putting a huge hurdle in front of a team that might be ranked high (such as being in top 4ish or whatever it ends up), and reward for the regular season.

(02-29-2012 01:08 PM)monty Wrote:  Highest ranked team should host, for reasons of: attendance, not putting a huge hurdle in front of a team that might be ranked high (such as being in top 4ish or whatever it ends up), and reward for the regular season.

This. End of conversation.

Though I strongly prefer the game be played at the home field of the higher ranked team, NYC during the Holidays sells itself. Yankee Stadium is a more intimate setting, as already stated, brings notoriety and backing from a proven winner (Yankees) and NYC never shuts down. If the Big East tries neutral field, this is the best chance to make it work. Besides, New Yorkers are already of the mind that the Big East is coming to town (BET in March), adding the BECCG for football (and possibly for lacrosse) would not be a bad thing.

It is expecting a lot from fans of modest means and busy lives to travel to New York for a championship game and then turn around and travel well to a bowl game. I fear many fans will skip the championship game in order to assure having enough to make the bowl - especially if they are coming from as far away as San Diego or Boise.

(02-29-2012 11:45 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 11:39 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Considering the ACC CCG attendance was up only slightly because of the move to Charlotte, the B1G having to pay people to go to Indy, and the SEC attendance was down for Atlanta, I'd have to agree that the home-field CCG format works better for attendance than the neutral site CCG. With a nationwide conference, I would think that putting the game at home field would be the most rational locale, but I get why the BE wants it at Yankee Stadium. They want the game to have the same prestige as having the BBall tournament at MSG. I would feel better about it if the game were at Giants Stadium rather than the Bronx, but there's definitely a BE-NYY connection they are willing to utilize.

But in all honesty people are more willing to travel to NYC than Indy, Atl or Charolette. Especially before Xmas. Also you have four teams from the eastern division in driving distance to the stadium.

Probably not really, especially considering the cost of staying in New York typically. Not people from where those conferences are, especially. SEC does so well in Atlanta because thousands of alumni from all the SEC schools live in Atlanta, which is the capital of the South. I don't think the same thing can be said for NYC and the BE at this point.

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(02-29-2012 01:05 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 11:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Big East is not the SEC.

Right. SEC = Simultaneously Everybody Cheating

I always thought it was Special Education Conference!

Yankee Stadium holds 54,000 for football. The two Pinstripe Bowls drew about 38,000 each and that's with "local teams" Syracuse and Rutgers playing in those games. So, with the Pinstripe getting the two best local Big East options possible with Big 12 opponents with large fan bases having a month to plan for trips, they still were only able to fill 70% of the stadium.

A Big East championship game has a high chance of not having any local team involved at all and, at the very least, the opponent would have to travel a massive distance on a week's notice. This is a bad idea. It would make that oft-posed ACC championship game picture look like a full house by comparison.

IF you look at the CCG as a reward for the fans, and are concerned mainly about attendance, then holding it in the home stadium of the team with the better record makes sense.

HOWEVER, if you look at it from a business standpoint, holding it at a neutral site like Yankee Stadium (or wherever), makes more sense, b/c corporate sponsors will have enough time to set up tents, get their best customers to travel there, etc. And therefore, it is more likely that the BE could attract more corporate ads and sponsorships to the game, which potentially would pay more than the difference in attendance (if any) might cost.

After all, the motive for getting to 12 in FB and holding a CCG is for PROFIT, not necessarily to reward the fans, or to look good on TV.

Don't get me wrong. I personally prefer the home team get the game, but that doesn't make as much business sense, assuming it would attract corporate sponsors in the first place, lol. I think it would.

(02-29-2012 01:31 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Probably not really, especially considering the cost of staying in New York typically. Not people from where those conferences are, especially. SEC does so well in Atlanta because thousands of alumni from all the SEC schools live in Atlanta, which is the capital of the South. I don't think the same thing can be said for NYC and the BE at this point.

Yes, this is the difference. Even in the case of the ACC, Tampa on paper is a great winter travel destination, but the conference championship game was able to sell out quickly when it was moved to Charlotte, where much of the ACC footprint is relatively easy to reach by car. Indianapolis is easily reached by car for most of the Big Ten, too. That simply won't be the case for the Big East - the geography is too dispersed. The Pac-12 would be in a much better position than the Big East to hold a neutral site championship game, yet they chose home fields instead. If the Big East is smart, they'll do the same.

Well, there's both sides of the argument. Again, you have to measure what you would get in extra corporate sponsorship, against what you would get in better attendance.

(02-29-2012 01:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, there's both sides of the argument. Again, you have to measure what you would get in extra corporate sponsorship, against what you would get in better attendance.

Exactly. I guess the best solution is to find a solution where you have the best of both worlds, which, quite frankly, is next to impossible. That doesn't mean it can't be done though.

(02-29-2012 01:40 PM)TripleA Wrote:  IF you look at the CCG as a reward for the fans, and are concerned mainly about attendance, then holding it in the home stadium of the team with the better record makes sense.

HOWEVER, if you look at it from a business standpoint, holding it at a neutral site like Yankee Stadium (or wherever), makes more sense, b/c corporate sponsors will have enough time to set up tents, get their best customers to travel there, etc. And therefore, it is more likely that the BE could attract more corporate ads and sponsorships to the game, which potentially would pay more than the difference in attendance (if any) might cost.

After all, the motive for getting to 12 in FB and holding a CCG is for PROFIT, not necessarily to reward the fans, or to look good on TV.

Don't get me wrong. I personally prefer the home team get the game, but that doesn't make as much business sense, assuming it would attract corporate sponsors in the first place, lol. I think it would.

If the Yankees and the corporate sponsors are willing to put enough money behind it to make it more lucrative than a sold-out, on-campus game, then I'd think about it. But I like using the CCG as a reward for having a great season and hosting it on-campus, where it's sold out (which helps it televise well).

Plus an on campus CCG is held in a football stadium - something Yankee Stadium assuredly is not. I can't wait for the jokes about the crappy Big East playing their football champ game on a baseball field. We might as well play it on the basketball court at MSG.

(02-29-2012 01:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Well, there's both sides of the argument. Again, you have to measure what you would get in extra corporate sponsorship, against what you would get in better attendance.

This is true that corporate sponsorship needs to be taken into account. I think that's going to be critical in the college football playoff discussion (and why you're seeing a lot of people in the power structure advocate for semifinal games to be at neutral sites or bowls instead of campus sites). Selling tickets would definitely be important, though. They go hand-in-hand - a sponsor isn't going to pay very much for an event if it's not a draw either in ticket sales or on TV. A huge TV rating can compensate for not selling as many tickets, but the Big East likely can't count on that.