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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-25-2012 07:39 PM)TripleA Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:13 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:05 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:03 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: (02-24-2012 11:39 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: Great BBQ aside, Memphis makes a great addition to this conference. Sure, they have a way to go with their football program but so did Syracuse. I'll further add that their basketball brand is already in the same stratusphere with the Orange, and it'll get even stronger now in the Big East.
Not even remotely close.
Well, not this year, no. Under Calipari, however, that argument can be -- and was successfully -- made.
Still not close especially considering Cuse was in a much stronger league throughout their history. Cuse also did this without shady coaching practices.
NC's = Memphis 0, Cuse 3
Final 4 = Memphis 3 (2 vacated), Cuse 4
Elite 8 = Memphis 6 (2 vacated), Cuse 7
Sweet 16 = Memphis 11 (5 vacated), Cuse 19
NCAA Appearances = Memphis 23 (6 vacated), Cuse 34
What is wrong with your math? Memphis had two vacated seasons. One time, we went to the F4 (1985), and once to the F2 (2008). That would make two vacated appearances for the F4, E8 and so on.
Actually Memphis had vacated seasons from 1982 through 1986 and 2008. There was nothing wrong with my math.
"Dana Kirk became head coach in 1979. During the 1980s, the Tigers made seven NCAA tournaments and won multiple Metro Conference titles. Keith Lee began playing for the Tigers in 1982, and Memphis was ranked number one in both major national polls for the first time the same year. Lee eventually led the team to its second Final Four appearance in 1985. Only a year later, however, Kirk was forced out after becoming the subject of a criminal investigation. He was also found to have committed many NCAA violations as well; the Tigers were forced to sit out the 1987 NCAA Tournament and were stripped of their Final Four appearance from 1985, as well as all of their NCAA tournament appearances from 1982-86."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Tigers_basketball
"Kirk built the Tigers into a national powerhouse with teams consisting largely of Memphis-area players. However, he only graduated six players in seven years, including only two on the celebrated 1985 team."
"He was indicted by a federal Grand Jury on 11 counts of tax evasion, filing false income tax returns, mail fraud and obstruction of justice. At his trial, witnesses testified that he scalped tickets for as much as five times face value, took money from boosters to give to players and actively solicited kickbacks from tournament promoters. He served four months in a federal minimum-security prison in Montgomery, Alabama. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Kirk_%28basketball%29
So, like I was saying Syracuse basketball history is still better than Memphis with a spotless record. Problem is Memphis basketball has had it's fair share of scandal over the years and also played in a much weaker conference than the Old Big East.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 01:04 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: (02-25-2012 07:39 PM)TripleA Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:13 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:05 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:03 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: Not even remotely close.
Well, not this year, no. Under Calipari, however, that argument can be -- and was successfully -- made.
Still not close especially considering Cuse was in a much stronger league throughout their history. Cuse also did this without shady coaching practices.
NC's = Memphis 0, Cuse 3
Final 4 = Memphis 3 (2 vacated), Cuse 4
Elite 8 = Memphis 6 (2 vacated), Cuse 7
Sweet 16 = Memphis 11 (5 vacated), Cuse 19
NCAA Appearances = Memphis 23 (6 vacated), Cuse 34
What is wrong with your math? Memphis had two vacated seasons. One time, we went to the F4 (1985), and once to the F2 (2008). That would make two vacated appearances for the F4, E8 and so on.
Actually Memphis had vacated seasons from 1982 through 1986 and 2008. There was nothing wrong with my math.
"Dana Kirk became head coach in 1979. During the 1980s, the Tigers made seven NCAA tournaments and won multiple Metro Conference titles. Keith Lee began playing for the Tigers in 1982, and Memphis was ranked number one in both major national polls for the first time the same year. Lee eventually led the team to its second Final Four appearance in 1985. Only a year later, however, Kirk was forced out after becoming the subject of a criminal investigation. He was also found to have committed many NCAA violations as well; the Tigers were forced to sit out the 1987 NCAA Tournament and were stripped of their Final Four appearance from 1985, as well as all of their NCAA tournament appearances from 1982-86."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Tigers_basketball
"Kirk built the Tigers into a national powerhouse with teams consisting largely of Memphis-area players. However, he only graduated six players in seven years, including only two on the celebrated 1985 team."
"He was indicted by a federal Grand Jury on 11 counts of tax evasion, filing false income tax returns, mail fraud and obstruction of justice. At his trial, witnesses testified that he scalped tickets for as much as five times face value, took money from boosters to give to players and actively solicited kickbacks from tournament promoters. He served four months in a federal minimum-security prison in Montgomery, Alabama. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Kirk_%28basketball%29
So, like I was saying Syracuse basketball history is still better than Memphis with a spotless record. Problem is Memphis basketball has had it's fair share of scandal over the years and also played in a much weaker conference than the Old Big East.
You mad bro?
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-25-2012 10:41 PM)KnightChris Wrote: (02-25-2012 09:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote: Cuse has 1 national title
He must be counting the pre-tournament era championships from 1918 & 1926.
Yes he must be, and those are unofficial, to say the least
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 01:04 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: (02-25-2012 07:39 PM)TripleA Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:13 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:05 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote: (02-25-2012 05:03 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote: Not even remotely close.
Well, not this year, no. Under Calipari, however, that argument can be -- and was successfully -- made.
Still not close especially considering Cuse was in a much stronger league throughout their history. Cuse also did this without shady coaching practices.
NC's = Memphis 0, Cuse 3
Final 4 = Memphis 3 (2 vacated), Cuse 4
Elite 8 = Memphis 6 (2 vacated), Cuse 7
Sweet 16 = Memphis 11 (5 vacated), Cuse 19
NCAA Appearances = Memphis 23 (6 vacated), Cuse 34
What is wrong with your math? Memphis had two vacated seasons. One time, we went to the F4 (1985), and once to the F2 (2008). That would make two vacated appearances for the F4, E8 and so on.
Actually Memphis had vacated seasons from 1982 through 1986 and 2008. There was nothing wrong with my math.
"Dana Kirk became head coach in 1979. During the 1980s, the Tigers made seven NCAA tournaments and won multiple Metro Conference titles. Keith Lee began playing for the Tigers in 1982, and Memphis was ranked number one in both major national polls for the first time the same year. Lee eventually led the team to its second Final Four appearance in 1985. Only a year later, however, Kirk was forced out after becoming the subject of a criminal investigation. He was also found to have committed many NCAA violations as well; the Tigers were forced to sit out the 1987 NCAA Tournament and were stripped of their Final Four appearance from 1985, as well as all of their NCAA tournament appearances from 1982-86."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Tigers_basketball
"Kirk built the Tigers into a national powerhouse with teams consisting largely of Memphis-area players. However, he only graduated six players in seven years, including only two on the celebrated 1985 team."
"He was indicted by a federal Grand Jury on 11 counts of tax evasion, filing false income tax returns, mail fraud and obstruction of justice. At his trial, witnesses testified that he scalped tickets for as much as five times face value, took money from boosters to give to players and actively solicited kickbacks from tournament promoters. He served four months in a federal minimum-security prison in Montgomery, Alabama. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Kirk_%28basketball%29
So, like I was saying Syracuse basketball history is still better than Memphis with a spotless record. Problem is Memphis basketball has had it's fair share of scandal over the years and also played in a much weaker conference than the Old Big East.
Excellent job educating Memphis fans on their program's very shady history.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
I have a feeling that wherever BSU goes, the rest will follow - including SMU and Houton, and AF...
The BE needs to quit dicking around and start making a good faith attempt at building a Western Division...
Why do you think BSU choice not to jump on board in 2012? Obviously, they wanted to see what happens with the MWC/CUSA TV deal and BE TV deal and they want to see if it's going to be a part of a two team western Division with a crappy Olympic sports option...
Who knows, maybe the MWC,CUSA can come up with an 18 team model including BSU, SDSU, AF, BYU, Houston, and SMU where it's TV contract would be more lucrative than the BE's? '
These stupid basketball additions aren't helping the BE's long term survival, IMO... Again, JMHO...
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 06:42 AM)Jeffkills Wrote: Why do you think BSU choice not to jump on board in 2012? Obviously, they wanted to see what happens with the MWC/CUSA TV deal and BE TV deal and they want to see if it's going to be a part of a two team western Division with a crappy Olympic sports option...
BSU didn't "choose not to jump." They busted their butts trying to jump, but it just wasn't going to happen. After buying their way out of the MAC to play in the MWC, they'd have to immediately turn around and buy their way out of the MWC to play in the nBE. It had nothing to do with a future TV deal, which won't be negotiated until 2013, or any future expansion plans, since they don't appear to be ready to invite anyone else right at this time.
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(02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 06:42 AM)Jeffkills Wrote: I have a feeling that wherever BSU goes, the rest will follow - including SMU and Houton, and AF...
The BE needs to quit dicking around and start making a good faith attempt at building a Western Division...
Why do you think BSU choice not to jump on board in 2012? Obviously, they wanted to see what happens with the MWC/CUSA TV deal and BE TV deal and they want to see if it's going to be a part of a two team western Division with a crappy Olympic sports option...
Who knows, maybe the MWC,CUSA can come up with an 18 team model including BSU, SDSU, AF, BYU, Houston, and SMU where it's TV contract would be more lucrative than the BE's? '
These stupid basketball additions aren't helping the BE's long term survival, IMO... Again, JMHO...
Boise has next to no athletic affinity with Big East schools. You would be much better of playing in a western conference against natural regional rivals. Joining the big East makes no sense.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
The fallacy in your SEC in "small markets" argument is that most of the SEC schools are the "flagship universities" in their particular state.
That means even if they are located in "small towns" their alumni base is going to be inthat particular state largest cities giving them "market penetration-(ie Florida with huge pressence in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Georgia with Atlanta & LSU with New Orleans & even aTm with Houston)
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
Making more money makes sense. That's what it's all about.
If we were going set up conferences along strictly geographic lines, we'd have to rip apart all 11 conferences and start over. That's not going to happen.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
Would you stop comparing the Big East and Alliance to the SEC. The SeC teams are in small markets but they are flagship schools that get their support statewide. The Big East and alliance do not have that but the Big East has a higher tv viewership ceiling by its markets.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 09:01 AM)Maize Wrote: (02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
The fallacy in your SEC in "small markets" argument is that most of the SEC schools are the "flagship universities" in their particular state.
That means even if they are located in "small towns" their alumni base is going to be inthat particular state largest cities giving them "market penetration-(ie Florida with huge pressence in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Georgia with Atlanta & LSU with New Orleans & even aTm with Houston)
Exactly comparison to the SEC are getting old and have no basis. If you can't see that the Big East advantage in tv markets will keep them ahead of the alliance then you are just being foolish
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 06:42 AM)Jeffkills Wrote: I have a feeling that wherever BSU goes, the rest will follow - including SMU and Houton, and AF...
The BE needs to quit dicking around and start making a good faith attempt at building a Western Division...
Why do you think BSU choice not to jump on board in 2012? Obviously, they wanted to see what happens with the MWC/CUSA TV deal and BE TV deal and they want to see if it's going to be a part of a two team western Division with a crappy Olympic sports option...
Who knows, maybe the MWC,CUSA can come up with an 18 team model including BSU, SDSU, AF, BYU, Houston, and SMU where it's TV contract would be more lucrative than the BE's? '
These stupid basketball additions aren't helping the BE's long term survival, IMO... Again, JMHO...
Hahahahaha Yeah im sure Houston and SMU are just sooooo willing to throw away their all sports membership to go back to playing in the CUSA or MWC! Oh and if the AFA was willing to follow Boise St then why didnt they follow them to the Big East dummy?
Get the sand out of your vag and relax, youre in a better position now. All you Boise fans are letting UNLV of all places mess with your head. Its pathetic.
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 09:01 AM)Maize Wrote: (02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
The fallacy in your SEC in "small markets" argument is that most of the SEC schools are the "flagship universities" in their particular state.
That means even if they are located in "small towns" their alumni base is going to be inthat particular state largest cities giving them "market penetration-(ie Florida with huge pressence in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Georgia with Atlanta & LSU with New Orleans & even aTm with Houston)
There is no fallacy, because the market argument around here is always about physical location. Doesn't temple have tons of alumni in philly, etc.? Bottom line is that your fans and alumni either care a lot about football or they don't, no matter where they are.
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(02-26-2012 09:02 AM)PATiger Wrote: Making more money makes sense. That's what it's all about.
If we were going set up conferences along strictly geographic lines, we'd have to rip apart all 11 conferences and start over. That's not going to happen.
... And yet it is the most geographically homogenous major conferences that make the most money. Go figure...
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(02-26-2012 09:08 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: (02-26-2012 09:01 AM)Maize Wrote: (02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
The fallacy in your SEC in "small markets" argument is that most of the SEC schools are the "flagship universities" in their particular state.
That means even if they are located in "small towns" their alumni base is going to be inthat particular state largest cities giving them "market penetration-(ie Florida with huge pressence in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Georgia with Atlanta & LSU with New Orleans & even aTm with Houston)
Exactly comparison to the SEC are getting old and have no basis. If you can't see that the Big East advantage in tv markets will keep them ahead of the alliance then you are just being foolish
TV markets mean little to nothing. If nobody is watching, it doesn't matter if a show is being beamed to 1000 homes or 1 million.
If the NBE stays ahead of the Alliance it will be because our programs have done a better job of attracting fan and alumni support. That's it. There are no quick fixes like choosing schools that happen to be located in large cities.
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(02-26-2012 11:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 09:08 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: (02-26-2012 09:01 AM)Maize Wrote: (02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
The fallacy in your SEC in "small markets" argument is that most of the SEC schools are the "flagship universities" in their particular state.
That means even if they are located in "small towns" their alumni base is going to be inthat particular state largest cities giving them "market penetration-(ie Florida with huge pressence in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Georgia with Atlanta & LSU with New Orleans & even aTm with Houston)
Exactly comparison to the SEC are getting old and have no basis. If you can't see that the Big East advantage in tv markets will keep them ahead of the alliance then you are just being foolish
TV markets mean little to nothing. If nobody is watching, it doesn't matter if a show is being beamed to 1000 homes or 1 million.
If the NBE stays ahead of the Alliance it will be because our programs have done a better job of attracting fan and alumni support. That's it. There are no quick fixes like choosing schools that happen to be located in large cities.
Yes how many are watching is the #1 factor but even you should see that if you have potential access to three times the viewership as someoneelse you will pay more for that. The Big East has a way higher ceiling regarding viewers than the alliance? A tv rating of 6.5 in Hattiesburg is different than a 1.5 rating in NYC
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 09:01 AM)Maize Wrote: (02-26-2012 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 07:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: Once again I highly doubt that the Alliance's make up will achieve a higher TV revenue than the Big East will. The Big East will also land better bowl deals. Both of these are the reasons all those teams left CUSA and MWC. Temple and Memphis are more than basketball additions these are two good tv markets that the Big East has moved into or in the case of Philly strengthen. It's a reason that both those schools were very high in the Alliances list. In fact if you look all the Alliances losses are among their biggest markets and draws so explain to me how they would get a better tv deal
Markets are highly overrated. SEC teams are often in small towns yet have huge followings. A market is only relevant if you have made it your own. Temple for example owns next to nothing of the Philly football market so it makes little sense to say adding them 'gives' us that market.
Imo the Alliance schools look a whole lot like new big East schools in terms of fan interest so the TV deals won't be all that different.
The fallacy in your SEC in "small markets" argument is that most of the SEC schools are the "flagship universities" in their particular state.
That means even if they are located in "small towns" their alumni base is going to be inthat particular state largest cities giving them "market penetration-(ie Florida with huge pressence in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Georgia with Atlanta & LSU with New Orleans & even aTm with Houston)
There is no fallacy, because the market argument around here is always about physical location. Doesn't temple have tons of alumni in philly, etc.? Bottom line is that your fans and alumni either care a lot about football or they don't, no matter where they are.
Last I checked Temple was never a full member of the BIG EAST and even with membership in the MAC for Football they averaged around 29K playing that schedule.
Now with the current BIG EAST members and the ones that are coming in the average attendence the average TV Numbers & attendence is not much different from the other BCS AQ Leagues like the Pac 12 & ACC.
Also, Cuban has a point. Why do you always try to compare the BIG EAST to the SEC when you don't compare them to other current BCS AQ Conferences like the Pac 12 & ACC.
(This post was last modified: 02-26-2012 11:20 AM by Maize.)
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RE: Boise State & SDSU possibly staying in MWC/C-USA?
(02-26-2012 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-26-2012 09:02 AM)PATiger Wrote: Making more money makes sense. That's what it's all about.
If we were going set up conferences along strictly geographic lines, we'd have to rip apart all 11 conferences and start over. That's not going to happen.
... And yet it is the most geographically homogenous major conferences that make the most money. Go figure...
I would like to be geographically homogenous ...
North ***
BC
UMass
UConn
Army
Syracuse
Rutgers
South ***
Temple
Penn State
Pitt
WVU
Maryland
Navy
But the last time I checked, that is not an option in real life. The next-best option is the New Big East, which I like a lot and it has the important advantage of being real, not fantasy.
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