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RE: Another Northern Star Anti-Sports Article
(02-22-2012 02:47 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:35 PM)HuskieBowWow Wrote:  NIU contributions are in the middle of the pack compared to other MAC schools but behind several FCS schools.

Anyone know why our ticket sales have fallen dramatically in the last 3 years?

Sales have fallen because of less people attending NIU FB games in 2011 than 2002-2009 (not trying to be a smart @$$)

Less casual fans going to NIU FB games because of???
-Recession
-Poor opponent line up (no "name" opponent at HS)
-Army game was on a holiday weekend AND we had very bad storms
-2 weeknight/day games in 2011 instead of 1 in 2010
-DF has too much gas
-3 home games not on a weekday/night or holiday weekend and two of those were consecutive weeks.
-Lack of marketing outside of DeKalb/Sycamore
-3 games with canned food drive means less money for all the game day ticket sales

There's your reason. My apologies to Athletics and all of you. 03-weeping
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The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.
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(02-22-2012 09:17 AM)17Huskies Wrote:  Hmm...the thing is, it could be a decent article. It's a valid point that to an extent at some schools (including NIU) athletic fees are factored into the cost. As are things like the rec center, intramural teams, the library, etc. Can I get my money back for the ugly *ss library?

However, the writer gives no facts on how much of the tuition actually goes to athletics...

I agree. It needed a little research and a lot more focus.
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(02-22-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.

How many weekday homegames games did we have in 2002 and 2003 (outside of Maryland)?
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(02-22-2012 03:57 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.

How many weekday homegames games did we have in 2002 and 2003 (outside of Maryland)?

2002 vs WF was a Thursday night...attracted less than 20k.

Those were the only 2 weekday/night games
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2002 is a very interesting year to look at.

20,186 for HC vs CMU and the season average was 20,952 with 6 home games. That was also the BGSU game with Urban.
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(02-22-2012 03:57 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.

How many weekday homegames games did we have in 2002 and 2003 (outside of Maryland)?

For 2003 all games were on Saturday, home and road (oops, Maryland was on Thursday). For 2002, we played Wake Forest at home on a Thursday, first game. All others were on Saturday.

There's a large cost, IMO, to playing these weekday games, in terms of fanbase.
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(02-22-2012 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:57 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.

How many weekday homegames games did we have in 2002 and 2003 (outside of Maryland)?

For 2003 all games were on Saturday, home and road (oops, Maryland was on Thursday). For 2002, we played Wake Forest at home on a Thursday, first game. All others were on Saturday.

There's a large cost, IMO, to playing these weekday games, in terms of fanbase.

Exactly, it's a huge cost. And maybe it is worth the TV exposure, but it's tough to just compare attendance numbers with other schools.
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(02-22-2012 04:48 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:57 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.

How many weekday homegames games did we have in 2002 and 2003 (outside of Maryland)?

For 2003 all games were on Saturday, home and road (oops, Maryland was on Thursday). For 2002, we played Wake Forest at home on a Thursday, first game. All others were on Saturday.

There's a large cost, IMO, to playing these weekday games, in terms of fanbase.

Exactly, it's a huge cost. And maybe it is worth the TV exposure, but it's tough to just compare attendance numbers with other schools.
So our once larger casual (non-season ticket holder) fanbase isn't coming to our Saturday games in September and October because we have weeknight games in November? I don't think so.

This year we will reach the highest season ticket sales EVER on top of that we offer Mini plans so that people can get a deal going to the 3 games of their choice (all Saturday games if they want) yet our numbers till decline and the Huskieland plan for the thrifty crowd.

To me it has to be the lack of a name team along with the recession and lack of marketing in the burbs. We will see what happens this year since we will be hosting Kansas.
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Declining numbers are coming to see the Huskies play. Athletics is selling a product. In order to effectively and successfully sell it, Athletics needs to engage in an aggressive marketing campaign. Unfortunately, however, there is only so much marketing you can do to make people clamor to see Tennessee-Martin or many of the MAC schools on our schedule. They need to market the inexpensive entertainment cost, game day experience, FBS football in their backyard, etc.
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If NIU were to simply cut some programs, it could save millions of dollars per year. The school could afford to pay for parking passes, building renovations, better computers and even better landscaping.

Those darn conspiracy theorists that make up those wild ideas that the NS wants NIU athletics cut. oh wait.

So another bush and flower bed is more valuable than a rich student-athlete experience? Nice logic dumb***
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(02-22-2012 04:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 04:48 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:57 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The only reason we had more in attendance in 2011 than 2010 is because we had 1 additional game at home. We actually averaged 2k+ less per game this year than last year.

Sad to think that we actually had more in attendance in 2002 than this year.

How many weekday homegames games did we have in 2002 and 2003 (outside of Maryland)?

For 2003 all games were on Saturday, home and road (oops, Maryland was on Thursday). For 2002, we played Wake Forest at home on a Thursday, first game. All others were on Saturday.

There's a large cost, IMO, to playing these weekday games, in terms of fanbase.

Exactly, it's a huge cost. And maybe it is worth the TV exposure, but it's tough to just compare attendance numbers with other schools.
So our once larger casual (non-season ticket holder) fanbase isn't coming to our Saturday games in September and October because we have weeknight games in November? I don't think so.

This year we will reach the highest season ticket sales EVER on top of that we offer Mini plans so that people can get a deal going to the 3 games of their choice (all Saturday games if they want) yet our numbers till decline and the Huskieland plan for the thrifty crowd.

To me it has to be the lack of a name team along with the recession and lack of marketing in the burbs. We will see what happens this year since we will be hosting Kansas.

Not sure about 2010 but last year we had bad weather before the Army game which hurt attendance. And 2 weekday/weeknight games also hurt average attendance. I do think the economy played probably a bigger part, and then the lack of name teams at HS in the OOC schedule was a smaller factor.
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(02-22-2012 05:04 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Declining numbers are coming to see the Huskies play. Athletics is selling a product. In order to effectively and successfully sell it, Athletics needs to engage in an aggressive marketing campaign. Unfortunately, however, there is only so much marketing you can do to make people clamor to see Tennessee-Martin or many of the MAC schools on our schedule. They need to market the inexpensive entertainment cost, game day experience, FBS football in their backyard, etc.
DF is correct. First either:

1) decide what the product is so you can target those who want that product (e.g., is it big time college football right in your own backyard?), or

2) Find out what consumers want and give them that (i.e., is it cheap entertainment in the great outdoors on Saturday afternoons?).

You have to do one or the other and that's the beginning of marketing. We have done it before.
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(02-22-2012 05:47 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  If NIU were to simply cut some programs, it could save millions of dollars per year. The school could afford to pay for parking passes, building renovations, better computers and even better landscaping.

Those darn conspiracy theorists that make up those wild ideas that the NS wants NIU athletics cut. oh wait.

So another bush and flower bed is more valuable than a rich student-athlete experience? Nice logic dumb***

I'm not a fan of that article, or generally of those that don't get that athletics helps the university. BUT, I do agree that some programs do not add much (if anything) to the college student experience or alumni support to the university or visibility to alumni. For example, track and field. Building the new facility cost a lot of money. I don't think it is an upgrade from the old soccer complex, and it is in the way of tailgaters making their way from the convo to the stadium. Overall, I was not a fan of the expenditure. And you know lights for that complex are the next big expense item. For what?

So, I kinda agree that when you don't have coffers overflowing, perhaps targeting dollars is a good idea.
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(02-22-2012 10:33 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  It is pretty sad that a sports writer for the NIU paper doesn't know what conference his team is in.

It would be sad, but that was an intentional slip-up to hammer home the point that noone even knows what the conference is called. Typical NS cheap tactics.
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Here's my breakdown of the article:

http://www.redandblackattack.com/2012/2/...conference
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(02-24-2012 02:08 PM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  Here's my breakdown of the article:

http://www.redandblackattack.com/2012/2/...conference

Good writeup, but I have no doubt he knew the name of the conference. It was a point of emphasis in saying the name wrong to hammer home the point noone knows about it. It is a very typical tactic of the star, to make you think like you should feel something is insignificant.
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(02-24-2012 07:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-24-2012 02:08 PM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  Here's my breakdown of the article:

http://www.redandblackattack.com/2012/2/...conference

Good writeup, but I have no doubt he knew the name of the conference. It was a point of emphasis in saying the name wrong to hammer home the point noone knows about it. It is a very typical tactic of the star, to make you think like you should feel something is insignificant.

You're retarded.
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