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It will be discussed but it is invevitable. UCF is an example. They spent $350M on campus facilities and built up all their programs. Should they have then stayed in CUSA out of loyalty. Either CUSA had to catch the BE or they had to go to the BE. So it all depends on where the SBC as a group is in 5-10 years vs where certain individual members are. There has to be a reason for a program to stay as well. And I am not talking about GSU, I am talking in general.
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I think the eastern sun belt expansion priority should be...

1 App State
2 Georgia State
3 Georgia Southern
4 Old Dominion
5 James Madison

in that order


What I think will happen is the Sun Belt will take #1 and #2 and stay content until another raid / shakeup happens.
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(02-23-2012 01:10 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I think the eastern sun belt expansion priority should be...

1 App State
2 Georgia State
3 Georgia Southern
4 Old Dominion
5 James Madison

in that order


What I think will happen is the Sun Belt will take #1 and #2 and stay content until another raid / shakeup happens.

Not likely. FBS teams will get the first look. Then your list may come into play.
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(02-23-2012 11:14 AM)panama Wrote:  It will be discussed but it is invevitable. UCF is an example. They spent $350M on campus facilities and built up all their programs. Should they have then stayed in CUSA out of loyalty. Either CUSA had to catch the BE or they had to go to the BE. So it all depends on where the SBC as a group is in 5-10 years vs where certain individual members are. There has to be a reason for a program to stay as well. And I am not talking about GSU, I am talking in general.

The huge difference in this example is that UCF has been FBS since 1996. We're talking about giving Ga State a boost in stature that they cannot give themselves and, as you say, the inevitable conclusion.
I'm all for giving programs a reason to stay, but the SBC needs to be able to do that before enabling a possible competitor.
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That's what I said. :)

I think the new model is 14 team conferences.

Before Memphis to the BE and the Alliance, I was expecting MT, FIU, FAU and UTSA as CUSA candidates with a very outside chance for South Alabama due to the USM and UAB natural rivalries. Now it appears that UTSA and FIU are only two considerations. Therefore, you have to look at who fits the footprint and keeps cost down for the other team sports.

Those would be:

1. La Tech (everybody says this will not happen)

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4 . Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Lamar

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
Western Kentucky
South Alabama
Texas San Antonio


East

App State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Ga State
Middle Tennessee
NC-Charlotte
Troy

The big games would be

FAU/FAU
App State/UNCC
UNT/UTSA
MT/Ga State
MT/UNCC
MT/Troy
Troy/South Alabama
Ark State/WKU
UNCC/Ga State
Troy/Ga State
USA/Ga State
ULM/ULL
ULL/USA
ULL/UTSA

If ULM drops out then an invite goes to Kennesaw State.
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(02-23-2012 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That's what I said. :)

I think the new model is 14 team conferences.

Before Memphis to the BE and the Alliance, I was expecting MT, FIU, FAU and UTSA as CUSA candidates with a very outside chance for South Alabama due to the USM and UAB natural rivalries. Now it appears that UTSA and FIU are only two considerations. Therefore, you have to look at who fits the footprint and keeps cost down for the other team sports.

Those would be:

1. La Tech (everybody says this will not happen)

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4 . Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Lamar

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
Western Kentucky
South Alabama
Texas San Antonio


East

App State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Ga State
Middle Tennessee
NC-Charlotte
Troy

The big games would be

FAU/FAU
App State/UNCC
UNT/UTSA
MT/Ga State
MT/UNCC
MT/Troy
Troy/South Alabama
Ark State/WKU
UNCC/Ga State
Troy/Ga State
USA/Ga State
ULM/ULL
ULL/USA
ULL/UTSA

If ULM drops out then an invite goes to Kennesaw State.
You almost had me at hello...until

No way no how.
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(02-23-2012 01:38 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That's what I said. :)

I think the new model is 14 team conferences.

Before Memphis to the BE and the Alliance, I was expecting MT, FIU, FAU and UTSA as CUSA candidates with a very outside chance for South Alabama due to the USM and UAB natural rivalries. Now it appears that UTSA and FIU are only two considerations. Therefore, you have to look at who fits the footprint and keeps cost down for the other team sports.

Those would be:

1. La Tech (everybody says this will not happen)

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4 . Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Lamar

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
Western Kentucky
South Alabama
Texas San Antonio


East

App State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Ga State
Middle Tennessee
NC-Charlotte
Troy

The big games would be

FAU/FAU
App State/UNCC
UNT/UTSA
MT/Ga State
MT/UNCC
MT/Troy
Troy/South Alabama
Ark State/WKU
UNCC/Ga State
Troy/Ga State
USA/Ga State
ULM/ULL
ULL/USA
ULL/UTSA

If ULM drops out then an invite goes to Kennesaw State.
You almost had me at hello...until

No way no how.

I thought that one might give you pause.
I agree with you on this one.
KSU has a looonnnggg way to go before they should be in any FBS talks.
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ULM has had some funding issues over the past three years along with talks about merging schools.

Check out the latest

ULM, GSU, La Tech Forced to Make Cuts

http://myarklamiss.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=124257

If ULM has to drop out like UNO, then who would be next on the list behind KSU, Ga Southern?
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(02-23-2012 01:50 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  ULM has had some funding issues over the past three years along with talks about merging schools.

Check out the latest

ULM, GSU, La Tech Forced to Make Cuts

http://myarklamiss.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=124257

If ULM has to drop out like UNO, then who would be next on the list behind KSU, Ga Southern?
If the person editing that site went to one of the schools in question then they need to allocate more money to English.

The three northeast Louisiana schools, as well as the rest of the schools in the University of Louisiana system, was forced to reduce their Budgets to help make up the state's $251 million budget deficit.
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(02-23-2012 01:40 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:38 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That's what I said. :)

I think the new model is 14 team conferences.

Before Memphis to the BE and the Alliance, I was expecting MT, FIU, FAU and UTSA as CUSA candidates with a very outside chance for South Alabama due to the USM and UAB natural rivalries. Now it appears that UTSA and FIU are only two considerations. Therefore, you have to look at who fits the footprint and keeps cost down for the other team sports.

Those would be:

1. La Tech (everybody says this will not happen)

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4 . Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Lamar

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
Western Kentucky
South Alabama
Texas San Antonio


East

App State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Ga State
Middle Tennessee
NC-Charlotte
Troy

The big games would be

FAU/FAU
App State/UNCC
UNT/UTSA
MT/Ga State
MT/UNCC
MT/Troy
Troy/South Alabama
Ark State/WKU
UNCC/Ga State
Troy/Ga State
USA/Ga State
ULM/ULL
ULL/USA
ULL/UTSA

If ULM drops out then an invite goes to Kennesaw State.
You almost had me at hello...until

No way no how.

I thought that one might give you pause.
I agree with you on this one.
KSU has a looonnnggg way to go before they should be in any FBS talks.
Plus GSU alumni would revolt. They are classified two levels below us in the University System of Georgia
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(02-23-2012 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:40 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:38 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That's what I said. :)

I think the new model is 14 team conferences.

Before Memphis to the BE and the Alliance, I was expecting MT, FIU, FAU and UTSA as CUSA candidates with a very outside chance for South Alabama due to the USM and UAB natural rivalries. Now it appears that UTSA and FIU are only two considerations. Therefore, you have to look at who fits the footprint and keeps cost down for the other team sports.

Those would be:

1. La Tech (everybody says this will not happen)

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4 . Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Lamar

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
Western Kentucky
South Alabama
Texas San Antonio


East

App State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Ga State
Middle Tennessee
NC-Charlotte
Troy

The big games would be

FAU/FAU
App State/UNCC
UNT/UTSA
MT/Ga State
MT/UNCC
MT/Troy
Troy/South Alabama
Ark State/WKU
UNCC/Ga State
Troy/Ga State
USA/Ga State
ULM/ULL
ULL/USA
ULL/UTSA

If ULM drops out then an invite goes to Kennesaw State.
You almost had me at hello...until

No way no how.

I thought that one might give you pause.
I agree with you on this one.
KSU has a looonnnggg way to go before they should be in any FBS talks.
Plus GSU alumni would revolt. They are classified two levels below us in the University System of Georgia

Since GA State is not in the conference would they turn down a invite if KSU received an invite at the same time?
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I would like to modify the list

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4. Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Missouri State
6. Ga Southern
7. Lamar
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(02-23-2012 02:31 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:40 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:38 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That's what I said. :)

I think the new model is 14 team conferences.

Before Memphis to the BE and the Alliance, I was expecting MT, FIU, FAU and UTSA as CUSA candidates with a very outside chance for South Alabama due to the USM and UAB natural rivalries. Now it appears that UTSA and FIU are only two considerations. Therefore, you have to look at who fits the footprint and keeps cost down for the other team sports.

Those would be:

1. La Tech (everybody says this will not happen)

1. Ga State
2. App State
3. UNC Charlotte (2016)
4 . Kennesaw State (2018)
5. Lamar

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
Western Kentucky
South Alabama
Texas San Antonio


East

App State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Ga State
Middle Tennessee
NC-Charlotte
Troy

The big games would be

FAU/FAU
App State/UNCC
UNT/UTSA
MT/Ga State
MT/UNCC
MT/Troy
Troy/South Alabama
Ark State/WKU
UNCC/Ga State
Troy/Ga State
USA/Ga State
ULM/ULL
ULL/USA
ULL/UTSA

If ULM drops out then an invite goes to Kennesaw State.
You almost had me at hello...until

No way no how.

I thought that one might give you pause.
I agree with you on this one.
KSU has a looonnnggg way to go before they should be in any FBS talks.
Plus GSU alumni would revolt. They are classified two levels below us in the University System of Georgia

Since GA State is not in the conference would they turn down a invite if KSU received an invite at the same time?

At the same time? You mean you think we should wait 6 years for an invite? Whats the appeal with Kenessaw? They are a regional school that draws students almost entirely from the NW suburbs. They have an 8300 seat soccer stadium. Their budget is $9.5M. They have pushed back the start of football twice now and now will not start until 2015. And no there is no way we would play in the same conference. Like I said alums would revolt.
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(02-23-2012 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 02:31 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:40 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:38 PM)panama Wrote:  You almost had me at hello...until

No way no how.

I thought that one might give you pause.
I agree with you on this one.
KSU has a looonnnggg way to go before they should be in any FBS talks.
Plus GSU alumni would revolt. They are classified two levels below us in the University System of Georgia

Since GA State is not in the conference would they turn down a invite if KSU received an invite at the same time?

At the same time? You mean you think we should wait 6 years for an invite? Whats the appeal with Kenessaw? They are a regional school that draws students almost entirely from the NW suburbs. They have an 8300 seat soccer stadium. Their budget is $9.5M. They have pushed back the start of football twice now and now will not start until 2015. And no there is no way we would play in the same conference. Like I said alums would revolt.
http://www.usg.edu/inst/group

I was comparing Kennesaw to South Alabama's situation 4 years ago. It appears compatible.
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(02-23-2012 03:10 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 02:55 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 02:31 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 01:40 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I thought that one might give you pause.
I agree with you on this one.
KSU has a looonnnggg way to go before they should be in any FBS talks.
Plus GSU alumni would revolt. They are classified two levels below us in the University System of Georgia

Since GA State is not in the conference would they turn down a invite if KSU received an invite at the same time?

At the same time? You mean you think we should wait 6 years for an invite? Whats the appeal with Kenessaw? They are a regional school that draws students almost entirely from the NW suburbs. They have an 8300 seat soccer stadium. Their budget is $9.5M. They have pushed back the start of football twice now and now will not start until 2015. And no there is no way we would play in the same conference. Like I said alums would revolt.
http://www.usg.edu/inst/group

I was comparing Kennesaw to South Alabama's situation 4 years ago. It appears compatible.
A more apt comparison is if Palm State College became a university and then applied for SBC membership in a couple years.
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(02-23-2012 08:00 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 08:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 08:31 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  With respect to the Sun Belt's reputation it is imperative that we only invite FBS members. We can not afford to be looked at as incubator for 1AA schools. I see no need to expand membership past 12 and if we do lose a few schools to the alliance than they need to be replaced with D1 schools if at all possible La Tech, New Mexico State, UAB, etc.. 1AA schools should be a last resort option only.

I find this an interesting comment considering every school in the Sun Belt was 1-aa at one time.

What is your point? Just because many of the schools were 1AA doesn't mean we want to add more. Our conference has been fighting hard for ten years to improve our image and get away from the perception that we are a glorified 1AA conference. We have improved our perception a lot since then the last thing we need to do is to add a bunch of 1AA schools again to hurt it.

Do you not see the hypocracy in a group of schools who were once 1-aa telling current 1-aa schools who want to follow the same path they aren't good enough to be a part of their conference? Especially a school like ASU who has garnered more national media attention than a majority of Sun Belt schools.
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According to USA Today for the 2010-2011 academic year App State would have ranked 5th in total athletic budget, 3rd in football budget, 3rd in fund raising, 1st in corporate sponsorship dollars, 2nd in football attendance and tied for 4th in coaching salaries within the Sun Belt Conference. That ain't half bad for a school some of you think isn't good enough to be in your conference.
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You mean 2009-2010 right? That was the last year for USA Today's db
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