(02-21-2012 04:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sorry, are people saying with a straight face that they'd rather have Boise, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and UCF than Pitt, Syracuse and WVU?

Really?

In football- you're darn right I am. 1st off- with 11-12 conference teams, can play 8 conference games, which will help things out a lot.
2nd off- Syracuse 9-40 vs Big East teams last 7 years. That's abysmal. Pitt was better- but still not relevant at all in any fashion.

The depth is going to make the Big East much better.

(02-21-2012 04:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sorry, are people saying with a straight face that they'd rather have Boise, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and UCF than Pitt, Syracuse and WVU?

Really?

In football- you're darn right I am. 1st off- with 11-12 conference teams, can play 8 conference games, which will help things out a lot.
2nd off- Syracuse 9-40 vs Big East teams last 7 years. That's abysmal. Pitt was better- but still not relevant at all in any fashion.

The depth is going to make the Big East much better.

Yeah.....but nobody gives a $Hit about any of those schools other than Boise and Memphis. I've officially heard it all now. Please continue.

(02-21-2012 04:42 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sorry, are people saying with a straight face that they'd rather have Boise, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and UCF than Pitt, Syracuse and WVU?

Really?

In football- you're darn right I am. 1st off- with 11-12 conference teams, can play 8 conference games, which will help things out a lot.
2nd off- Syracuse 9-40 vs Big East teams last 7 years. That's abysmal. Pitt was better- but still not relevant at all in any fashion.

The depth is going to make the Big East much better.

Yeah.....but nobody gives a $Hit about any of those schools other than Boise and Memphis. I've officially heard it all now. Please continue.

And yet they were picked instead of ECU. Unlike your post, this was a fact. Just saying....

Wartorn......What's that got to do with anything?

I'm actually admitting that Boise is the biggest brand name the Big East has now. You're a lot bigger name brand than ECU is right now. I have no issue with that. I'm only trying to make the point that the nBE contract is going to be much less that Steve thinks it is.

Ignore is your friend.

(02-21-2012 04:42 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sorry, are people saying with a straight face that they'd rather have Boise, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and UCF than Pitt, Syracuse and WVU?

Really?

In football- you're darn right I am. 1st off- with 11-12 conference teams, can play 8 conference games, which will help things out a lot.
2nd off- Syracuse 9-40 vs Big East teams last 7 years. That's abysmal. Pitt was better- but still not relevant at all in any fashion.

The depth is going to make the Big East much better.

Yeah.....but nobody gives a $Hit about any of those schools other than Boise and Memphis. I've officially heard it all now. Please continue.

If you want to say no one gives a "$Hit about any of those schools" then include ECU there as well. Outside your fan base the same could be said. Sometimes people amaze me.

Why do you people keep bringing up ECU? What does that have to do with whether the Big East losses are more or less prestigious than the Big East gains?

(02-21-2012 04:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sorry, are people saying with a straight face that they'd rather have Boise, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and UCF than Pitt, Syracuse and WVU?

Really?

In football- you're darn right I am. 1st off- with 11-12 conference teams, can play 8 conference games, which will help things out a lot.
2nd off- Syracuse 9-40 vs Big East teams last 7 years. That's abysmal. Pitt was better- but still not relevant at all in any fashion.

The depth is going to make the Big East much better.

Does that make the 16-team Alliance, with even more depth, even better-er?

The New Big East additions are not big-time football programs. Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia were big time. I'm not saying it's easy to become good, but it's easier to become good than it is to become big-time.

The reality is that, pretty much any time in the last 40 years, if you had to list big-time football programs, Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia would be on the list of 60-70. Syracuse has been bad at football and Pitt has been mediocre for the last 10+ years, but they were bad in a B-list big-time conference. Like say Kansas or Mississippi State or Purdue or Washington State, except in a B-list conference. Good? Usually not. Big time? Yes.

The teams coming into the Big East from C-USA can't say that. Houston hasn't been a big time program since the SWC imploded. UCF is a I-AA newbie. Memphis has one bowl win all-time against a BCS AQ opponent, and that was South Florida. SMU was big-time, until that whole death penalty thing.

Boise State (and TCU) made themselves big-time by dominating their C-list conferences over time, and performing when they had the opportunity against A-list big time teams. Is Boise STate now big time on brand, or does an 8-5 season put them on ESPN3? I don't know. We'll find out.

(02-21-2012 04:59 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Why do you people keep bringing up ECU? What does that have to do with whether the Big East losses are more or less prestigious than the Big East gains?

Well maybe because ECU fans are constantly cutting the BE down, but when you make statements about how a school is you are no different?

(02-21-2012 04:52 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Wartorn......What's that got to do with anything?

I'm actually admitting that Boise is the biggest brand name the Big East has now. You're a lot bigger name brand than ECU is right now. I have no issue with that. I'm only trying to make the point that the nBE contract is going to be much less that Steve thinks it is.

Truth. It just gets old seeing ECU fans tear down every school / conference / rumor / or idea that gets posted here. Seriously.
Basically everyone has said 3 schools (ECU, Southern Miss, and Fresno State) were the schools who got screwed during all of this expansion. We all know ECU and what they have accomplished and yet every fan from any other school on this board are the ones who gets punished.
What makes you so much more special than SMU or Houston? I am sure you can find a reason just like I am sure they can find one as well on why they are better.
Move on. It sucks but live with it already. .
The sad thing is I have actually been to Greenville and the surrounding area for work. The fans I met on here are not a reflection on their fan base at all. But like I have said countless times. The Pirates on this board have became unbearable and have really started to take the fun out of being here with the constant crying and moaning....and now bashing of everything that ECU is not a part of. If there is a God ECU will get invited to The Big East today just to shut you all up. Heaven knows it would be worth it...But something tells me that will start an even bigger mess.
Disagree with me, lower my rep, put me on ignore, tell a mod on me or whatever, but everything I said is true.

(02-21-2012 05:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sorry, are people saying with a straight face that they'd rather have Boise, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, SMU, and UCF than Pitt, Syracuse and WVU?

Really?

In football- you're darn right I am. 1st off- with 11-12 conference teams, can play 8 conference games, which will help things out a lot.
2nd off- Syracuse 9-40 vs Big East teams last 7 years. That's abysmal. Pitt was better- but still not relevant at all in any fashion.

The depth is going to make the Big East much better.

Does that make the 16-team Alliance, with even more depth, even better-er?

The New Big East additions are not big-time football programs. Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia were big time. I'm not saying it's easy to become good, but it's easier to become good than it is to become big-time.

The reality is that, pretty much any time in the last 40 years, if you had to list big-time football programs, Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia would be on the list of 60-70. Syracuse has been bad at football and Pitt has been mediocre for the last 10+ years, but they were bad in a B-list big-time conference. Like say Kansas or Mississippi State or Purdue or Washington State, except in a B-list conference. Good? Usually not. Big time? Yes.

The teams coming into the Big East from C-USA can't say that. Houston hasn't been a big time program since the SWC imploded. UCF is a I-AA newbie. Memphis has one bowl win all-time against a BCS AQ opponent, and that was South Florida. SMU was big-time, until that whole death penalty thing.

Boise State (and TCU) made themselves big-time by dominating their C-list conferences over time, and performing when they had the opportunity against A-list big time teams. Is Boise STate now big time on brand, or does an 8-5 season put them on ESPN3? I don't know. We'll find out.

The only Big time football out of that group is WV. Pitt and SU have not been that good in last 10 years. Pitt average, SU horrible!

(02-21-2012 04:59 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Why do you people keep bringing up ECU? What does that have to do with whether the Big East losses are more or less prestigious than the Big East gains?

Probably because it is ECU fans that are constantly running their pole suckers and starting the arguments. That would be my guess.

(02-21-2012 05:04 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Truth. It just gets old seeing ECU fans tear down every school / conference / rumor / or idea that gets posted here. ...
What makes you so much more special than SMU or Houston? I am sure you can find a reason just like I am sure they can find one as well on why they are better.

ECU fans are like the dude who gets turned down for prom by the ugly girl (the Big East). Then she screws 3 guys at the prom, including one hopeless loser (SMU.)

Of course they're mad, and hoping they all come down with STDs. It's natural.

(02-21-2012 05:04 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:52 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Wartorn......What's that got to do with anything?

I'm actually admitting that Boise is the biggest brand name the Big East has now. You're a lot bigger name brand than ECU is right now. I have no issue with that. I'm only trying to make the point that the nBE contract is going to be much less that Steve thinks it is.

Truth. It just gets old seeing ECU fans tear down every school / conference / rumor / or idea that gets posted here. Seriously.
Basically everyone has said 3 schools (ECU, Southern Miss, and Fresno State) were the schools who got screwed during all of this expansion. We all know ECU and what they have accomplished and yet every fan from any other school on this board are the ones who gets punished.
What makes you so much more special than SMU or Houston? I am sure you can find a reason just like I am sure they can find one as well on why they are better.
Move on. It sucks but live with it already. .
The sad thing is I have actually been to Greenville and the surrounding area for work. The fans I met on here are not a reflection on their fan base at all. But like I have said countless times. The Pirates on this board have became unbearable and have really started to take the fun out of being here with the constant crying and moaning....and now bashing of everything that ECU is not a part of. If there is a God ECU will get invited to The Big East today just to shut you all up. Heaven knows it would be worth it...But something tells me that will start an even bigger mess.
Disagree with me, lower my rep, put me on ignore, tell a mod on me or whatever, but everything I said is true.

I never brought ECU into this at all. I was having a legitimate discussion about something completely unrelated to ECU.

Thanks for the generalizations.

Check my posts and see when I've ever put down the Big East.

Anywho, to me it's turned into...

Original post - Which Alliance team would hurt the most to lose? There's nobody that could leave that would hurt the Big East

My reply - I think it would hurt the Big East if they lost Louisville (which implies that ECU is quite replaceable in the Alliance, which is far from boasting)

Replies to my reply - ECU SUCKS!

I mean, is this what the board has come to?

(02-21-2012 05:08 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 05:04 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:52 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Wartorn......What's that got to do with anything?

I'm actually admitting that Boise is the biggest brand name the Big East has now. You're a lot bigger name brand than ECU is right now. I have no issue with that. I'm only trying to make the point that the nBE contract is going to be much less that Steve thinks it is.

Truth. It just gets old seeing ECU fans tear down every school / conference / rumor / or idea that gets posted here. Seriously.
Basically everyone has said 3 schools (ECU, Southern Miss, and Fresno State) were the schools who got screwed during all of this expansion. We all know ECU and what they have accomplished and yet every fan from any other school on this board are the ones who gets punished.
What makes you so much more special than SMU or Houston? I am sure you can find a reason just like I am sure they can find one as well on why they are better.
Move on. It sucks but live with it already. .
The sad thing is I have actually been to Greenville and the surrounding area for work. The fans I met on here are not a reflection on their fan base at all. But like I have said countless times. The Pirates on this board have became unbearable and have really started to take the fun out of being here with the constant crying and moaning....and now bashing of everything that ECU is not a part of. If there is a God ECU will get invited to The Big East today just to shut you all up. Heaven knows it would be worth it...But something tells me that will start an even bigger mess.
Disagree with me, lower my rep, put me on ignore, tell a mod on me or whatever, but everything I said is true.

I never brought ECU into this at all. I was having a legitimate discussion about something completely unrelated to ECU.

But you are an ECU fan are you not? And you are not having an intelligent conversation because you are bashing other schools for nothing. Houston had a better season last year then any from ECU I remember. And SMU got their money's worth during The Pony Express years and was screwed out of a national title. I am glad they are in The Big East. And I am glad all of Boise's Youngsters will have time to grow before we have to deal with them on the field.

Saying that Pitt or WVU or even Louisville is more prestigious than Houston or Boise on Memphis or San Diego State is not bashing them. It's just stating my opinion. Obviously TV execs still think the latter schools are more important than ECU. No need to throw us under the bus which has already run us over twice.

Actually ECU's best season is better than Houston's but that's beside the point.

(02-21-2012 05:28 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Actually ECU's best season is better than Houston's but that's beside the point.

He said that he can remember which I think is an implication that your one exceptional season is now so long ago that few remember it and it is insignificant to most outside of ECU fans.

(02-21-2012 05:28 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Actually ECU's best season is better than Houston's but that's beside the point.

Which one would be better than Houston in 1976 which finished the season #4. Or 1979 at #5. In 1991, ECU finished #9- which was their best ever. Only other one they finished in the top 25 was #20 in 1983.