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(02-21-2012 12:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What I've been saying all along. And who is NMSU's travel partner?

It's nothing against the Aggies, but expanding the footprint 700 miles westward for one school makes no sense.

They wouldn't be a terrible addition, but there are plenty of other options that make much more sense. If they had much better football or were still playing basketball at an extremely high level, perhaps things would be different, but if that were the case, the Alliance would probably want them.

One of the things that I have read about the Sun Belt is that you guys love the closeness of the league. Middle fans can drive to Troy, WKU, stAte with ease. However, the Florida schools are on an island (roughly 700 miles away from South and Troy).

If you had to do it all over again, would you say that F_U is too far because they are 700 miles south of Mobile?

Instead of going west, lets say the SBC went east and only added East Carolina. That extends the conference 630 miles to the east of Murfreesboro. Would their addition be acceptable?


I am not trying to be snide, I am just trying to gauge your thoughts on eastward expansion versus westward expansion
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(02-21-2012 01:07 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 12:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What I've been saying all along. And who is NMSU's travel partner?

It's nothing against the Aggies, but expanding the footprint 700 miles westward for one school makes no sense.

They wouldn't be a terrible addition, but there are plenty of other options that make much more sense. If they had much better football or were still playing basketball at an extremely high level, perhaps things would be different, but if that were the case, the Alliance would probably want them.

One of the things that I have read about the Sun Belt is that you guys love the closeness of the league. Middle fans can drive to Troy, WKU, stAte with ease. However, the Florida schools are on an island (roughly 700 miles away from South and Troy).

Instead of West, lets say the SBC went east and only added East Carolina. That extends the conference 630 miles to the east of Murfreesboro. Would their addition be acceptable?

ECU would be the better addition of the two in my opinion based solely on their football, but the same problems apply. There are schools reasonably within the footprint that make more sense.

In regards to the Florida schools, you are correct, but they were also added at a time where we had little other option. There are also a few other things to consider, having the Florida schools opens up recruiting there, not so much with New Mexico State(perhaps we have a bit more of an opportunity to recruit west Texas, but it's not like we're not already in Texas at all) and realistically there aren't too many options to add in the space between, aside from Georgia State and Georgia Southern, both of whom are still quite a ways from the Florida schools. If schools like Stetson or UNF were real options, I could potentially get behind them to close the gap a bit, but they aren't.
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(02-21-2012 01:07 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 12:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What I've been saying all along. And who is NMSU's travel partner?

It's nothing against the Aggies, but expanding the footprint 700 miles westward for one school makes no sense.

They wouldn't be a terrible addition, but there are plenty of other options that make much more sense. If they had much better football or were still playing basketball at an extremely high level, perhaps things would be different, but if that were the case, the Alliance would probably want them.

One of the things that I have read about the Sun Belt is that you guys love the closeness of the league. Middle fans can drive to Troy, WKU, stAte with ease. However, the Florida schools are on an island (roughly 700 miles away from South and Troy).

If you had to do it all over again, would you say that F_U is too far because they are 700 miles south of Mobile?

Instead of going west, lets say the SBC went east and only added East Carolina. That extends the conference 630 miles to the east of Murfreesboro. Would their addition be acceptable?


I am not trying to be snide, I am just trying to gauge your thoughts on eastward expansion versus westward expansion

Very cheap flights on Southwest from Nashville to Florida. We brought over 700 fans to an FAU game one Labor Day Weekend a few years back. Many were local, with a lot of Florida players on our team.
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(02-21-2012 01:07 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  One of the things that I have read about the Sun Belt is that you guys love the closeness of the league. Middle fans can drive to Troy, WKU, stAte with ease. However, the Florida schools are on an island (roughly 700 miles away from South and Troy).

If you had to do it all over again, would you say that F_U is too far because they are 700 miles south of Mobile?b]

[b]Very cheap flights on Southwest from Nashville to Florida. We brought over 700 fans to an FAU game one Labor Day Weekend a few years back. Many were local, with a lot of Florida players on our team.
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I often thought the same thing chris, but as Kajun stated the saving grace of both FAU/FIU is the fact that we have 3 major airports serviing the area (MIA,FLL,WPB) and flight are frequent and cheap for AD's and fans.

For non football sports the two make an excellent travel partner.

1.) Fly into WPB on Wed, Bus to Boca, Play FAU on Thursday
2.) Bus to Miami after game, rest on Friday, Play FIU on Saturday
3.) Bus back to WPB 1 1/2 hour, fly out on Sunday.

Add in the recruiting and TV markets and its easy to see why FAU/FIU are wanted in a confrence.
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I have lurked on this board and the MAC board for a while and I figured I'd start contributing. First of all I would like to say I have great respect for the Sun Belt and was even debating between the school I ended up going to (Ohio) and MTSU. Also I feel that the MAC and the Sun Belt by far are the most stable of the "mid-majors" and when this all shakes out we (MAC and SBC) could be on top of the mid-major totem pole.

Anyway I found this conversation interesting so I decided to comment about your possibilities (And feel free to correct me I'm a little ignorant towards the culture of college football in the south) But if there is a concern of FAU/FIU being on an island in south Florida what about adding a northern Florida team such as Florida A&M? They have a past full of success, I'm not sure if they have any interest, I also having a spot in Atlanta might be beneficial (Not trying to throw fuel on a fire just my perspective).

I know Wofford has been pretty successful so that might open a South Carolina connection and might help bridge ECU or Appy State.

Would WKU be interested in having EKU move up? (I'm assuming you guys are rivals correct me if I'm mistaken) But EKU has decent football and basketball and would offer MTSU and WKU another rival.

Would there be any schools in Mississippi that could be of interest? If Benson is shooting for a "Mini SEC" I think it would be important to at least have one representative from each state. In the end of course there is also the chance of stealing LATech, UAB, USM or maybe even Tulane. Personally I think Tulane would be a great get due to the fact that the SBC HQ is in New Orleans and the Super Dome could be used for the championship game then.

Again feel free to correct me I don't know any figures for budgets, or facility conditions just purely on a geographical stand point since that is a key point for Benson.

But anyway thank you for reading. Any thoughts?
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(02-21-2012 02:44 PM)Ohiofan23 Wrote:  I have lurked on this board and the MAC board for a while and I figured I'd start contributing. First of all I would like to say I have great respect for the Sun Belt and was even debating between the school I ended up going to (Ohio) and MTSU. Also I feel that the MAC and the Sun Belt by far are the most stable of the "mid-majors" and when this all shakes out we (MAC and SBC) could be on top of the mid-major totem pole.

Anyway I found this conversation interesting so I decided to comment about your possibilities (And feel free to correct me I'm a little ignorant towards the culture of college football in the south) But if there is a concern of FAU/FIU being on an island in south Florida what about adding a northern Florida team such as Florida A&M? They have a past full of success, I'm not sure if they have any interest, I also having a spot in Atlanta might be beneficial (Not trying to throw fuel on a fire just my perspective).

I know Wofford has been pretty successful so that might open a South Carolina connection and might help bridge ECU or Appy State.

Would WKU be interested in having EKU move up? (I'm assuming you guys are rivals correct me if I'm mistaken) But EKU has decent football and basketball and would offer MTSU and WKU another rival.

Would there be any schools in Mississippi that could be of interest? If Benson is shooting for a "Mini SEC" I think it would be important to at least have one representative from each state. In the end of course there is also the chance of stealing LATech, UAB, USM or maybe even Tulane. Personally I think Tulane would be a great get due to the fact that the SBC HQ is in New Orleans and the Super Dome could be used for the championship game then.

Again feel free to correct me I don't know any figures for budgets, or facility conditions just purely on a geographical stand point since that is a key point for Benson.

But anyway thank you for reading. Any thoughts?

Just kind of skimmed through your post, here are a few thoughts.

I think you can throw FAMU out, there are many reasons there are no HBCU's playing FBS football.

I don't think there is much interest from us for EKU, nor is there much interest from EKU to move up.

If we go to 12, a championship game will not be played at a neutral site, let alone in a stadium that would likely host one of those two teams again very shortly in the New Orleans Bowl. If we end up with a championship game, it will be hosted by the school with the best record.
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(02-21-2012 12:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 12:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 11:05 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  I always felt that UNT's closest Sun Belt rival (back in the day) was NMSU. I'd be happy to have them on board.

But ULM, La.Tech, Louisiana, ASU, UALR, and South Alabama are all closer. MTSU and Troy are a half hour further.

If UNT fans aren't going to those places why would they go to Las Cruces. More importantly why would ULM, Louisiana, ASU, UALR, USA, MTSU, and WKU support adding a school that is twice the distance of going to UNT the current western outlier?

What I've been saying all along. And who is NMSU's travel partner?

It's nothing against the Aggies, but expanding the footprint 700 miles westward for one school makes no sense.

They wouldn't be a terrible addition, but there are plenty of other options that make much more sense. If they had much better football or were still playing basketball at an extremely high level, perhaps things would be different, but if that were the case, the Alliance would probably want them.

If you look at the league, there are nine schools that are in a pretty good spot.

FIU and FAU are on an island, but they are on it together.
WKU and MTSU are a short drive from each other.
Louisiana and ULM while not next door they have the in-state thing going for them.
Troy has a rivalry with MTSU but in-state with USA that now expands into football. The addition of USA football three hours away helps strengthen that rivalry.
UALR has ASU in-state and a short hop to ULM.
ASU is basically on an island in football but has UALR for other sports.
UNT is on an island.

With the exception of ASU football and all sports at UNT everyone has an easy drive to someone in the league.

That's why UTSA or Texas State makes sense. San Antonio to Denton or San Marcos to Denton isn't a quick hop but the in-state element and closer opponent presents an important opportunity.

New Mexico State is just a long, long, long way out there. Until the WAC re-entered Texas, NMSU was the closest WAC school to La.Tech but Tech was the second closest school in the WAC to NMSU because Logan, UT is only a few miles closer than Ruston.

People really have a hard time grasping the distances involved.

When I was in DC for an extended period people were talking about taking weekend trips to Pennsylvania and Ohio and I was stunned until I got a map out saw just how close they were. NMSU is just off the Texas border but a long long way from Denton. You can drive Jonesboro, to Murfreesboro, and back in less time than Denton to Las Cruces. Murfreesboro to Orlando is shorter than Denton to Las Cruces. Troy to FIU is 50 miles closer than Denton to Las Cruces.
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(02-21-2012 10:39 AM)theultimateaggie Wrote:  
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(02-21-2012 03:11 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  We have at least six Big markets in this proposal. Mobile, Boca, Miami, Dallas, Las Cruces, San Antonio, and Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos for TxSt.

This gives us some MAJOR leverage for more bowls and a better TV deal. It also keeps the Sun belt members pretty close to each other.

Las Cruces is NOT a big market. Lafayette has 30,000 more people than Las Cruces. The others are understandable, but there is really only 5 large markets. Lastly, if you consider markets, MT has some leverage in their location for the Nashville Market, and that IS a major market.

Hey guys thought I would chime in on this proposed conference. To me this would be a great conference. I understand some of you are concerned about extra travel. However I think our +'s blow away our -'s. Travel wouldn't be that bad as some have stated. In this divisional setup a team from the east would travel in football to Las Cruces every four years and in olympic sports every 2 years. You would be bringing in a very good basketball team and a football team that is improving steadily not to mention good volleyball, softball, and baseball. Your right Las Cruces isn't a huge market, however we are also part of the El Paso market. Not saying we deliver the whole thing but we do deliver a good chunk. El Paso televises alot of our games now and gives us decent news coverage. Now I'm sure some won't want us anyways and thats ok but I think we would be a good add for the Sun Belt.

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See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.
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(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.
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(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.
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(02-22-2012 08:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.

You're correct, a small handful of short sighted people with their priorities in the wrong places are a fan of doubling our east to west footprint for one school. Fortunately, if we're to believe our new commissioner, he's not one of them.
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(02-22-2012 10:16 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 08:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.

You're correct, a small handful of short sighted people with their priorities in the wrong places are a fan of doubling our east to west footprint for one school. Fortunately, if we're to believe our new commissioner, he's not one of them.

So it's agree with you or be considered short-sighted and wrong ?
Get a grip, you and MT aren't the center of the universe.
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(02-22-2012 10:16 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 08:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.

You're correct, a small handful of short sighted people with their priorities in the wrong places are a fan of doubling our east to west footprint for one school. Fortunately, if we're to believe our new commissioner, he's not one of them.

I hear Moscow, Idaho is only a stone's throw from the current Sun Belt footprint as well. I don't care what NMSU brings to the table, I don't want them in our conference. I can stand adding another Texas school or replacing North Texas with a UTSA, but expanding that far west just doesn't make any sense logistically. So many of you bash the Alliance and Big East for their ridiculous footprint. Wouldn't we be doing the same by adding NMSU?
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(02-22-2012 10:43 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 10:16 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 08:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.

You're correct, a small handful of short sighted people with their priorities in the wrong places are a fan of doubling our east to west footprint for one school. Fortunately, if we're to believe our new commissioner, he's not one of them.

I hear Moscow, Idaho is only a stone's throw from the current Sun Belt footprint as well. I don't care what NMSU brings to the table, I don't want them in our conference. I can stand adding another Texas school or replacing North Texas with a UTSA, but expanding that far west just doesn't make any sense logistically. So many of you bash the Alliance and Big East for their ridiculous footprint. Wouldn't we be doing the same by adding NMSU?

If the Belt becomes a 2 division conference, MT would be in the East so the effect would be minimal. NMSU has a rich basketball history and while in the Belt they led the conference in BB attendance. I haven't bashed the alliance and NMSU makes as much sense as some of the eastern schools that you prefer. It's a matter of opinion. Period.

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02-22-2012 10:59 AM
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RE: An expanded Sun Belt idea with explanations and makes sense.
Under this we should stay in our footprint theory we should all be jumping in joy if we lose UNT and FIU which is absolutely ridiculous. How far is FIU from Miami? Or how far is UNT from say Georgia State?

Having a strong regional core is ideal but the Sun Belt is already going to have 10-12 members with 1-4 teams in driving distance. If we want this conference to get from the bottom which is where we will be once again if the WAC folds then we need to expand to improve.

I don't plan on going to FIU, FAU, UNT. TxSt, UTSA any time soon adding UNSU when we play them every few years is not is not a big deal. And this is how it goes to make things even better.

Say the Sun Belt does a 9 game conference schedule with 14 football teams. You play six division games, three crossover games (one being protected rivalries), and have three non conference games. You play the non division conference games on a two year rotation with home one year then away and then you don't play them for about two or more years unless for the CCG.
02-22-2012 12:04 PM
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RE: An expanded Sun Belt idea with explanations and makes sense.
Also another thing is it's what's a three hour plan ride to get to Las Cruces from Dallas or Austin? People who live in Texas and follow college sports are already well acquainted with using planes for travel because Texas is big. This new proposal saves the Texas schools a lot of money because they get 5+ home games in Texas every year, 1-2 road games in Texas, a short trip to La Tech, a short trip to ASU, and they can keep the trips to Troy, Middle Tenn, FAU, and FIU to a minimum. We don't consider how these trips are from the western schools perspective I can imagine that flying to Montgomery then driving 40 minutes to Troy is not ideal for UNT every other year.
02-22-2012 12:13 PM
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RE: An expanded Sun Belt idea with explanations and makes sense.
(02-22-2012 10:42 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 10:16 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 08:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 06:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  See but here are my thoughts on the whole expansion thing. I want the Sun Belt to expand and become a stronger conference with a much better TV deal and bowl games. Not become a WCC in the south by adding Tech and Ga St.

I really understand that UTSA, UTA, TxST, and UNT would be a long way from UNMS. However, guys help me on this one. I just looked at the polls for basketball and I see ZERO Sun Belt teams. Heck Middle Tenn could potentially not even make the tourney if they don't win the conference championship. This just really should be addressed with this next round of expansion.

Adding UNMS and UTA is big step in the direction of a better TV deal and placing teams in the top 25. We add two solid basketball teams that would raise the whole conferences RPI. And in basketball were talking about the east division having four Texas teams, two Arkansas teams, UNMS, and one of the Louisiana schools.

This proposed conference is still one of the most regional, will have decent basketball, decent baseball, and football has a high ceiling. It also eliminates the threat of star wars alliance raids or what ever conferences form when those teams split.

Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.

You're correct, a small handful of short sighted people with their priorities in the wrong places are a fan of doubling our east to west footprint for one school. Fortunately, if we're to believe our new commissioner, he's not one of them.

So it's agree with you or be considered short-sighted and wrong ?
Get a grip, you and MT aren't the center of the universe.

In this instance yes. There is a right answer and a wrong answer and choosing NMSU is short sighted, not in the best interest of the conference, and indeed is the wrong answer.
02-22-2012 02:37 PM
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RE: An expanded Sun Belt idea with explanations and makes sense.
(02-22-2012 10:59 AM)MG61 Wrote:  
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(02-22-2012 03:25 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Screw NMSU and their seven hundred miles of westward expansion. You're barking up the wrong tree, friend.

Your opinion. Others may have a different view.

You're correct, a small handful of short sighted people with their priorities in the wrong places are a fan of doubling our east to west footprint for one school. Fortunately, if we're to believe our new commissioner, he's not one of them.

I hear Moscow, Idaho is only a stone's throw from the current Sun Belt footprint as well. I don't care what NMSU brings to the table, I don't want them in our conference. I can stand adding another Texas school or replacing North Texas with a UTSA, but expanding that far west just doesn't make any sense logistically. So many of you bash the Alliance and Big East for their ridiculous footprint. Wouldn't we be doing the same by adding NMSU?

If the Belt becomes a 2 division conference, MT would be in the East so the effect would be minimal. NMSU has a rich basketball history and while in the Belt they led the conference in BB attendance. I haven't bashed the alliance and NMSU makes as much sense as some of the eastern schools that you prefer. It's a matter of opinion. Period.

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NMSU does not make as much sense as nearly any of the eastern schools, because none of them expand the footprint like NMSU does. The only school that has even been occasionally mentioned that expands the footprint to the extent that NMSU does is ODU and no one is really pushing for the Monarchs, nor should they, they expand the conference 700 miles eastward.
02-22-2012 02:40 PM
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(02-22-2012 12:13 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Also another thing is it's what's a three hour plan ride to get to Las Cruces from Dallas or Austin? People who live in Texas and follow college sports are already well acquainted with using planes for travel because Texas is big. This new proposal saves the Texas schools a lot of money because they get 5+ home games in Texas every year, 1-2 road games in Texas, a short trip to La Tech, a short trip to ASU, and they can keep the trips to Troy, Middle Tenn, FAU, and FIU to a minimum. We don't consider how these trips are from the western schools perspective I can imagine that flying to Montgomery then driving 40 minutes to Troy is not ideal for UNT every other year.

Here's the thing, we can choose schools who shrink the footprint for everyone. On top of that, NMSU is counterintuitive even for UNT. They'd no longer have to travel 700 miles to Murfreesboro every other year, but they would have to travel 700 miles to Las Cruces every other year and every year in Olympic sports.

The two schools who make the most geographic sense are Louisiana Tech and Georgia State. I'm not saying those are my choices, but from a purely geographic standpoint those make the most sense. Louisiana Tech would be centrally located for everyone in the new western division and Georgia State would be centrally located for everyone in the new eastern division.

The only schools that should be considered(excluding alliance bound teams) are: App State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Louisiana Tech, Missouri State, Texas State, and UTSA.

I think arguments can be made for and against every single one of them and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter much to me which two make the cut, but any talk of NMSU is complete and utter nonsense and does not serve the best interest of the conference.
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