(02-16-2012 11:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:40 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

So put of the indoctrination by colleges for indoctrination by Americorps?

Maybe. But I think it will cause more problems than it solves.

Putting kids through boot and giving them some responsibility is not indoctrination.

what do you do with the ~30% that are too fat?

What do you do with the 50% too stupid to tutor inner city youth?

(02-16-2012 11:18 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 11:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  what do you do with the ~30% that are too fat?

They won't be by the time boot is over...

(02-16-2012 10:50 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I was referring more to LS's comment about a national service requirement.

I'm not sold on the idea, period. But, I'm less sold on an Americorps style of service. I'd much rather see the CCC come back. It isn't hard to find mountains covered w/ charred trees from forest fires. How about replanting some of those? Mississippi River levees? Fix 'em. Patch holes on highways. Etc.

If there is service to be done, I want a clear, defined, tangible goal. I don't want "tutor inner city youth" as an option.

I don't especially object to the CCC but I'm sure you're aware that such a group, raised from the dead by our current culture, would be as much of an indoctrination center as anything LS or I have said..

Possibly. But if you tell a group of people, "Hey, we've got 2 weeks to replant trees on this mountainside." Then spend the first 12 days discussing bird safety, sexual harassment, and how woodland creatures have rights to privacy, then assigning leaders to tree clearing squads who each have to read the 400 page OSHA manual on how to pick up a limb (versus a branch, stick or twig), only to discover that they have no saplings to plant (or that they all died b/c no one watered them)... Well, that sort of indoctrination might not serve the statists very well.

(02-16-2012 11:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 11:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:40 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

So put of the indoctrination by colleges for indoctrination by Americorps?

Maybe. But I think it will cause more problems than it solves.

Putting kids through boot and giving them some responsibility is not indoctrination.

what do you do with the ~30% that are too fat?

What do you do with the 50% too stupid to tutor inner city youth?

In today’s world they call themselves social conservatives and self-righteously blame all of the world’s problems (past, present, and future) on the inner city kids and the 50% who are not too stupid to tutor them.

What do you suggest we do with them?

(02-15-2012 01:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  To many eligible for unemployment simply take an extended paid vacation. It always (not really) amazes me how people magically find work as benefits are running out.

Are you saying that if unemployemt benefits were eliminated that everyone would find a job with 4 hours?

I would love to see people on unemployment and welfare "working" 20 hours per week. Whether it be tutoring someone, helping in a free clinic, directing the local childrens musical, helping plan the local 5K race to raise money for breast cancer. Make them do something worthwhile and add it to their resume. They don't wanna do it? Awesome, they don't need my money. When I was laid off for a month I would've loved to work for the money. Instead of taking care of stuff around the house (and believe me, you can only fix things so many times before they can't be fixed anymore).