(02-10-2012 06:22 PM)Meggacat Wrote:  I had to read the article twice - Frease actually had his skull cracked in two in a HS game a few years ago - to the point where 3 weeks later - he could not open his eye.

Yet, when the UC vs. X fight is in progress, why in tarnation is Frease not hiding behind the X bench? Why in the world would Frease's skull be any where near Yancy's fist?

So, Marge? any thoughts on that?

--ESPN hack needs to get back into this case -- and ask a few more questions?!!

What the hell are you blathering about?

Some of these responses are pretty funny. I know some of you want the writer to dredge up all the seedy stuff that goes on at X, but it's a national article about the rivalry seen through the perspective of this crazy fight. I thought it was pretty balanced and that XU actually comes off looking like they are the ones who have lost their minds with this thing.

(02-11-2012 08:57 AM)levydl Wrote:  Some of these responses are pretty funny. I know some of you want the writer to dredge up all the seedy stuff that goes on at X, but it's a national article about the rivalry seen through the perspective of this crazy fight. I thought it was pretty balanced and that XU actually comes off looking like they are the ones who have lost their minds with this thing.

Caught part of Moe's interview with this guy today. The writer stated it was the punch and the punch alone that is the story.

Article is far from balanced. All Gangsta interviews. Interview the mother of the goon who rushed the scene. No background on the relationship between this group of players. Another 4 letter puff piece. I'm surprised Sister Rose or Art Long didn't make an appearance.

Twas the night of the shootout and all through our town,
X fans were giddy, not a frown to be found.
Billy Cunningham took the airwaves to proclaim,
His X-men were perfect--saintly, at the top of their game!

On they would march through the top 25, perhaps undefeated,
no more final five.
Up to the long promised Final Four,
visions of glory, trophies and more.
National respect so long overdue,
from a nation forever saying Egg-saver who?

But as the game ended on a sour note,
The gangtas spoke while reporters wrote.
"We're not the character program people think we are,
We zip 'em up and we'll take that far."

As the press conference ended with reporters in awe,
college basketball fans soon viewed what we saw.
UC fans have known for years,
this just isn't the program they purport to be,
it just took some time for the nation to see.

Their halo is gone, trampled down by X fans,
shouting obscenities, You Tubed through this land.
And now as their season disintegrates,
With Clippers, Cubs and Lions fans they can comiserate.

A Final Fours vision may still dance in their heads,
But they've tarnished their image and lost their "cred."
Their dream season limps toward the N-I-T,
all their own doing, as you can see.

Its' still UC's town; Mick's doing it with class,
the program he's building--built to last.
Two National Championships, six Final Fours,
X fans, care to learn more?

(02-11-2012 03:59 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 08:57 AM)levydl Wrote:  Some of these responses are pretty funny. I know some of you want the writer to dredge up all the seedy stuff that goes on at X, but it's a national article about the rivalry seen through the perspective of this crazy fight. I thought it was pretty balanced and that XU actually comes off looking like they are the ones who have lost their minds with this thing.

Caught part of Moe's interview with this guy today. The writer stated it was the punch and the punch alone that is the story.

Article is far from balanced. All Gangsta interviews. Interview the mother of the goon who rushed the sceneb. No background on the relationship between this group of players. Another 4 letter puff piece. I'm surprised Sister Rose or Art Long didn't make an appearance.

He interviewed Yancy's high school coach and Cronin.

The goon who rushed the scene? Yes, I can see the balance you're seeking.

OK, I won't use the word "goon". However, the portrayal of Kenny Frease as the innocent victim is a misrepresentation, no matter what you call him.

(02-13-2012 09:48 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK, I won't use the word "goon". However, the portrayal of Kenny Frease as the innocent victim is a misrepresentation, no matter what you call him.

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(02-13-2012 10:18 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 09:48 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK, I won't use the word "goon". However, the portrayal of Kenny Frease as the innocent victim is a misrepresentation, no matter what you call him.

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(02-13-2012 09:48 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK, I won't use the word "goon". However, the portrayal of Kenny Frease as the innocent victim is a misrepresentation, no matter what you call him.

I don't think it painted him as an innocent victim. It said he was blindsided, which he was. I disagree that it was a sucker punch, but many who watched it with no allegiance to either team think it was. And I thought the thread about Frease having previously broken his orbital bone was interesting. But whatever, I don't know how anyone reads it and thinks it's another UC hit piece. I thought it made XU look pretty bad.

(02-13-2012 03:36 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 09:48 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK, I won't use the word "goon". However, the portrayal of Kenny Frease as the innocent victim is a misrepresentation, no matter what you call him.

I don't think it painted him as an innocent victim. It said he was blindsided, which he was. I disagree that it was a sucker punch, but many who watched it with no allegiance to either team think it was. And I thought the thread about Frease having previously broken his orbital bone was interesting. But whatever, I don't know how anyone reads it and thinks it's another UC hit piece. I thought it made XU look pretty bad.

The article conveniently left out the fact that Mongo slapped Larry Davis' wife after he jumped up into the stands. In my mind that is a material fact and should have been included in the article. Therefore, in my mind, it is indeed slanted.

(02-13-2012 04:09 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 03:36 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 09:48 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  OK, I won't use the word "goon". However, the portrayal of Kenny Frease as the innocent victim is a misrepresentation, no matter what you call him.

I don't think it painted him as an innocent victim. It said he was blindsided, which he was. I disagree that it was a sucker punch, but many who watched it with no allegiance to either team think it was. And I thought the thread about Frease having previously broken his orbital bone was interesting. But whatever, I don't know how anyone reads it and thinks it's another UC hit piece. I thought it made XU look pretty bad.

The article conveniently left out the fact that Mongo slapped Larry Davis' wife after he jumped up into the stands. In my mind that is a material fact and should have been included in the article. Therefore, in my mind, it is indeed slanted.

The article also left out that Mongo head butted Gates a couple of years ago. There is a history here, which was conveniently omitted.

After reading the article - I am a little surprised he would head butt someone after having such as severe facial injury.

(02-13-2012 04:09 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  The article conveniently left out the fact that Mongo slapped Larry Davis' wife after he jumped up into the stands. In my mind that is a material fact and should have been included in the article. Therefore, in my mind, it is indeed slanted.

I would agree with you if it were a fact. I know it's a contention of some people, but this ESPN guy would have to have been the first person to report it.

(02-13-2012 04:54 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 04:09 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  The article conveniently left out the fact that Mongo slapped Larry Davis' wife after he jumped up into the stands. In my mind that is a material fact and should have been included in the article. Therefore, in my mind, it is indeed slanted.

I would agree with you if it were a fact. I know it's a contention of some people, but this ESPN guy would have to have been the first person to report it.

Channel 19 did have a video once. Not showing him actually in the stands, however standing on a folding chair in front of Whit and the coach's wives screaming at them dropping f bombs. Tommy G tweeted all the Gangstas were dropping f-u's at anyone wearing red.

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The article also left out that Mongo head butted Gates a couple of years ago. There is a history here, which was conveniently omitted.

After reading the article - I am a little surprised he would head butt someone after having such as severe facial injury.
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I don't think anyone has accused Frease of being particularly smart. Or even a little smart.

(02-13-2012 04:54 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 04:09 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  The article conveniently left out the fact that Mongo slapped Larry Davis' wife after he jumped up into the stands. In my mind that is a material fact and should have been included in the article. Therefore, in my mind, it is indeed slanted.

I would agree with you if it were a fact. I know it's a contention of some people, but this ESPN guy would have to have been the first person to report it.

I got it from an eye witness sitting 4 people away. Whit and President Williams also saw it.

(02-13-2012 06:32 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  I got it from an eye witness sitting 4 people away. Whit and President Williams also saw it.

I remember the video, it didn't show anyone slapping anyone, much to my displeasure after all the crazy reports flying around immediately after the game. I remember people saying the police and prosecutor were getting involved, but nothing ever came of it. It doesn't appear Cronin ever told the reporter. So I don't know what you want the writer to do with that and I don't know why failing to mention that your friend believes it happened means the piece is a slanted UC hit job. I feel like some of you won't be happy with anything written about the fight unless it cites Andre Smith and Llyod Price. But have at it.

Are you sure he interviewed Cronin? The quotes I read sounded like what Cronin said after the game.

(02-13-2012 09:49 PM)Overrated Wrote:  Are you sure he interviewed Cronin? The quotes I read sounded like what Cronin said after the game.

He said on Mo Egger's show that he did. Said he spent like a week or 10 days in Cincy. He interviewed Yancy's high school coach and Frease's mom for crying out loud. I imagine if Frease slapped Davis' wife, someone would have told him, and if not then I don't see how that makes the article biased.

I just skimmed the article again, but this is the only quote or mention of something Cronin said that I remember from the piece:

Quote:If it doesn't, there are plenty of people who will get behind the Crosstown Shootout's extinction. And Cronin is leading that crusade. "If it's not a positive, then there should be no game, and there will be no game if I have anything to do with it," the Cincinnati coach says. "And you can quote me on that."

He said something along those lines within 2 days of the game. Maybe he repeated himself, but that is hardly giving UC's side of the story. I don't really consider Yancy's high school coach giving UC's side of the story either considering he is a Xavier alum/fan and said Yancy wasn't a Xavier player or whatever.

I wouldn't call it a hit piece on UC. But I definitely think the angle was slanted towards X. That's what happens when you give so much space to a Xavier players mom who doesn't have any balance at all to her opinion. And I don't blame her. She is Kenny's mom. But less than a minute after the punch he was standing over the UC fan section having to be pulled away while cussing at them. And these are a bunch of old people who looked disgusted. Not people who are fighting back. He is also someone who threw a headbutt at Yancy (Mick has mentioned this publicly since the brawl, the writer omitted it) and behind the scenes he has talked tons of sh*t about how much he dislikes Yancy (I've heard it first person). But we only heard that Yancy hates Kenny, not the other way around.

Mongo could have been directly in front of Gates and still would have been dropped. It's what he (Frease ) does !