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Police state armoring up
Quote:If terrorists ever target Fargo, N.D., the local police will be ready.

In recent years, they have bought bomb-detection robots, digital communications equipment and Kevlar helmets, like those used by soldiers in foreign wars. For local siege situations requiring real firepower, police there can use a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. Until that day, however, the menacing truck is mostly used for training runs and appearances at the annual Fargo picnic, where it’s been displayed near a children’s bounce house.

“Most people are so fascinated by it, because nothing happens here,” said Carol Archbold, a Fargo resident and criminal justice professor at North Dakota State University. “There’s no terrorism here.”

Fargo, like thousands of other communities in every state, has been on a gear-buying spree with the aid of more than $34 billion in federal government grants since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon.

The federal grant spending, awarded with little oversight from Washington, has fueled a rapid, broad transformation of police operations in Fargo and in departments across the country. More than ever before, police rely on quasi-military tactics and equipment, the Center for Investigative Reporting has found.

No one can say exactly what has been purchased in total across the country or how it’s being used, because the federal government doesn’t keep close track. State and local governments don’t maintain uniform records. But a review of records from 41 states obtained through open-government requests, and interviews with more than two-dozen current and former police officials and terrorism experts, shows police departments around the U.S. have transformed into small army-like forces.

Since Occupy Wall Street and similar protests broke out this fall, confusion about how to respond has landed some police departments in national headlines for electing to use intimidating riot gear, pepper spray and rubber bullets to disperse demonstrators. Observers have decried these aggressive tactics as more evidence that police are overly militarized. Among them is former Seattle police chief Norm Stamper, who today regrets his “militaristic” answer in 1999 to the infamous “Battle in Seattle” protests.

Many police, including beat cops, now routinely carry assault rifles. Combined with body armor and other apparel, many officers look more and more like combat troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The list of equipment bought with the federal grants reads like a defense contractor catalog. High-tech gear fills the garages, locker rooms and patrol cars in departments across the country.

Although local officials say they have become more cautious about spending in recent years, police departments around the country are continually expanding the equipment and tactics of their jobs, despite, in many cases, the lack of an apparent need.

The share of federal grants for Fargo and the county it anchors is more than $8 million, a considerable sum for terrorism defense given its remote location and status as one of the safest areas in America. Fargo has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there have been no prosecutions of international terrorism in the state for at least a decade, if ever.

North Dakota’s biggest city is a humble place set on plains so flat that locals like to say you can watch your dog run away for two weeks. Yet all patrol officers in Fargo now carry an assault rifle in their squad car.

Fargo police Lt. Ross Renner, who commands a regional SWAT team, said the world is a dangerous place, and the city wants to be ready for anything.

With that in mind, Renner pushed for military-style assault rifles to become standard issue in department patrol cars.

“It’s foolish to not be cognizant of the threats out there, whether it’s New York, Los Angeles or Fargo. Our residents have the right to be protected,” Renner said. “We don’t have every-day threats here when it comes to terrorism, but we are asked to be prepared.”

Other communities also have ramped up as well. In Montgomery County, Texas, the sheriff’s department owns a $300,000 pilotless surveillance drone. In Garland County, Ark., known for its pleasant hot springs, a local law enforcement agency acquired four handheld bulletproof protective shields costing $600 each. In East Baton Rouge, La., it was $400 ballistic helmets. In Augusta, Maine, with fewer than 20,000 people and where an officer hasn’t died from gunfire in the line of duty in more than 125 years, police bought eight $1,500 tactical vests. And for police in Des Moines, Iowa, it was two $180,000 bomb robots.

Local police stockpile high-tech, combat-ready gear
02-07-2012 09:52 PM
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We should all be afraid.
02-08-2012 08:29 AM
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They clearly have extra money. What would you have them do with it? Maybe more training for their officers? Maybe more officers? I do agree that there is no need for a small town to own a tank...overkill. There is a small town near me that tried to buy a HELICOPTER. Their chief also tried to get jurisdiction all over the state.
02-08-2012 08:45 AM
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The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.
02-08-2012 09:12 AM
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(02-08-2012 09:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.

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02-08-2012 09:45 AM
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(02-08-2012 09:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.

And you know EXACTLY what the motivations are. "Conservatives" who don't heed Ike's farewell address are missing a full 1/3 of a proper Presidential mindset.

02-08-2012 09:58 AM
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(02-07-2012 09:52 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  
Quote:Fargo, like thousands of other communities in every state, has been on a gear-buying spree with the aid of more than $34 billion in federal government grants since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon.

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No one can say exactly what has been purchased in total across the country or how it’s being used, because the federal government doesn’t keep close track.

Of course. Why would anyone care how money disbursed to civilian agencies is spent on military-grade equipment? I'm picturing a room in Washington with a large group of police chiefs and someone is "making it rain."
02-08-2012 12:18 PM
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(02-08-2012 08:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We should all be afraid.
While a little scary. having Rebel arming up scares me even more and it is people like Rebel that force these police forces to arm up.
02-08-2012 12:26 PM
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(02-08-2012 12:26 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-08-2012 08:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We should all be afraid.
While a little scary. having Rebel arming up scares me even more and it is people like Rebel that force these police forces to arm up.



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02-08-2012 12:32 PM
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(02-08-2012 09:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.

Well what would your solution for something like the LA bank robbery then? Just let them shoot up the joint with automatic AK-47s and body armor and we'll return fire with 9mm? Haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I can kind of already guess what the article is about. Either the police need to be able to upgrade in order to respond to these situations (as criminals become more and more high tech) or use the military (which I figure people on here would be more than opposed to).
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(02-08-2012 05:15 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  
(02-08-2012 09:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.

Well what would your solution for something like the LA bank robbery then? Just let them shoot up the joint with automatic AK-47s and body armor and we'll return fire with 9mm? Haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I can kind of already guess what the article is about. Either the police need to be able to upgrade in order to respond to these situations (as criminals become more and more high tech) or use the military (which I figure people on here would be more than opposed to).

I'm not opposed to special units having upgraded capability in urban areas where it might be necessary but Barney in the boonedocks doesn't need a tank. Thats the difference. I don't think anyone on here thinks police should be ill equipped.
02-08-2012 05:18 PM
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(02-08-2012 05:15 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  
(02-08-2012 09:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.

Well what would your solution for something like the LA bank robbery then? Just let them shoot up the joint with automatic AK-47s and body armor and we'll return fire with 9mm? Haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I can kind of already guess what the article is about. Either the police need to be able to upgrade in order to respond to these situations (as criminals become more and more high tech) or use the military (which I figure people on here would be more than opposed to).

Handling those situations, which are as rare as winning the lottery, is a far cry from paramilitary armed SWAT units serving no knock warrants where they shoot first and ask questions later, where the family pets are expendable, the existence of children in the premises isn't questioned, and if you're lawfully carrying a weapon b/c you don't know who's trying to bust down your door unannounced you collect 40+ rounds of AR-15 from SWAT before they bother to identify you as a threat or not.

None of the former is exaggeration. All happened. I can provide YouTubes if you really want. And unlike the AK-47 bank robberies in LA, these do happen, happen frequently, and happen all over the country to enforce non-violent drug crimes.
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(02-08-2012 05:15 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  
(02-08-2012 09:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The military arming of our civilian police forces is a national shame.

Well what would your solution for something like the LA bank robbery then? Just let them shoot up the joint with automatic AK-47s and body armor and we'll return fire with 9mm? Haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I can kind of already guess what the article is about. Either the police need to be able to upgrade in order to respond to these situations (as criminals become more and more high tech) or use the military (which I figure people on here would be more than opposed to).

That's a far cry from Fargo, ND cops carrying assault rifles around, no?
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If you elect Vermin Supreme he'll put all that firepower to good use by handing it over to his dental commando squads, tasked with:

-Warrantless random no knock dental inspections.
-Distribution of government issued toothpaste containing addictive yet harmless substances.
-Video surveillance through two way bathroom mirrors.
-Electronic tracking, moisture and motion sensor devices in all toothbrushes.
-Dental re-education center operation.
-Gene splicing to create a race of winged monkeys to act as tooth fairies.
-Computer chip dental implants with laser scanners at all toll booths and supermarkets.
-The fluoridation of every beverage.
-Preventative dental maintenance detention facilities.

Stronger teeth for a stronger tomorrow!
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Well now that I know what they have I guess I'll need something bigger if I want to take them on.
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(02-08-2012 06:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Well now that I know what they have I guess I'll need something bigger if I want to take them on.
What are you going to do ? Ask your Israeli friends for a nuke?
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