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Catholics vs. Obama
Quote:http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=10443

This isn't just about Catholics vs. Obama - this is also about women

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HHS mandate latest salvo in skirmish over life … and human dignity

SAN FRANCISCO, CA (February 1, 2012) – At least one news report on Catholic bishops’ reactions to a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services decision to mandate employer-provided health-insurance coverage of contraception, sterilization and drugs that induce abortions – related to parishes around the country this past weekend – was headlined “Catholics vs. Obama” (The Daily, Jan. 30 edition). Bestselling author Teresa Tomeo sees a battle line drawn against an entire gender – not just this religion or that.

“There are so many things wrong with the HHS mandate it’s hard to know where to begin, Tomeo said. “There is no question that this is an obvious attack on religious freedom and a direct assault on the Catholic Church – as the U.S. Bishops and so many other faith and religious liberty leaders have stated. But it is also an attack on women. Artificial contraception hurts women and society in general.

“How many women are aware that the World Health Organization declared the birth control pill a group one carcinogen some seven years ago?” Tomeo asked. “How many women are aware of the dangers associated with abortifacients, and how many women realize that contraception has resulted in our gender being more objectified than ever before? This mandate is one more example of society, particularly women, having been sold a big fat bill of goods by those with an ulterior pro-death agenda. Women deserve better. All of us deserve better than what the HHS handed down on January 22.”

In her book EXTREME MAKEOVER, available now from Ignatius Press, Tomeo digs deep into a media culture that bombards everyone with pervasive, toxic messages that objectify women. She advocates an “extreme media makeover” that will enable women, children and families to rid themselves of the toxic words and images that bombard them daily, and instead embrace the truth about themselves and their dignity.

To schedule an interview with Tomeo or to request a review copy of EXTREME MAKEOVER, contact Tim Lilley (TLilley@MaximusMG.com) or Kevin Wandra (KWandra@MaximusMG.com) of The Maximus Group at 678-990-9032, or at the email addresses above.
 
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Media Go to Bat for Abortion Giant, Ignore Catholics vs. Obama Controversy

By: Matthew Balan | View PDF Version
Friday, February 03, 2012 6:35 PM EST

When the Susan G. Komen Foundation, the U.S.'s largest breast cancer charity, announced on February 1 that it would no longer be donating to Planned Parenthood, the Big Three networks -- ABC, CBS, NBC -- rushed to the defense of the left-wing organization, which is the largest abortion conglomerate in the United States. Over the course of about 60 hours, ABC, CBS, and NBC emphasized the controversy with a whopping 13 morning and evening news stories. The soundbite count was loaded: 76 percent of the quotes came from supporters of Planned Parenthood (35 in total). Only 11 clips or statements came from Komen representatives or new allies.

By contrast to those 13 reports on the feminist "firestorm," when the Obama administration announced on January 20 that it was giving religious institutions one year to comply with a mandate for coverage of sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception in their health plans without a co-pay, these same networks all but ignored the face-off with angry Catholic bishops and their flocks. It took CBS 10 days to air one news brief about the controversy on CBS This Morning on January 30. Neither ABC nor NBC have aired anything on their morning and evening newscasts over the past two weeks, and CBS hasn't done anything since giving that one brief.

On February 3, ABC's Claire Shipman trumpeted the negative responses to the breast cancer charity's decision: "This morning, outrage and disappointment engulfing the Internet. 'All lies.' 'You have lost my support.' 'Playing politics with the lives of women.' 'I'll never buy pink again.'" ABC showed the strongest tilt towards Planned Parenthood, with 10 sound bites or statements in favor of the organization, versus only two supporting Komen, a five-to-one margin.

The day before, both CBS and NBC highlighted a talking point from Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards, who hyped that a "right-wing political campaign [was] bullying" the breast cancer foundation. NBC trailed not far behind ABC in terms of slant towards the abortion giant, with 15 clips in favor of the liberal darling, and four supporting Komen, a nearly four-to-one imbalance.

CBS displayed the least amount of tilt in the area of soundbites/statements, with 10 in favor of Planned Parenthood and five in favor of the pink ribbon foundation, or an overall two-to-one ratio. However, one report from correspondent Nancy Cordes on the February 2 edition of CBS Evening News had five in favor of the abortion leviathan, versus just two soundbites from Komen president Nancy Brinker.

All three networks turned to women who feared the worst would happen after Komen stopped its grants to Planned Parenthood, which amounted to $680,000 in 2011. Both ABC and CBS played testimonials from Monique Benoit on their evening news programs on February 2, who turned to the left-wing organization for a breast exam at a time when she was "laid-off and uninsured," as Cordes recounted. NBC Nightly News featured Abigail Sunaki, who "found a lump in a breast two years ago and got help through Komen's funding of Planned Parenthood. Today, she's healthy."

The Big Three's on-air journalists also gave strong hints that they supported the left-leaning giant. NBC's Brian Williams teased a segment on February 1's Nightly News on the controversy by proclaiming how "a decision...[is] making a lot of women furious at the world's largest breast cancer organization. Why did it cut off funds for critical breast cancer screenings?" Correspondent Lisa Myers spotlighted the "explosion of anger among your lifetime supporters" during an interview of Brinker the following evening.

On ABC's World News on February 2, Shipman concluded that the apparent outrage at the breast cancer charity "shows the passion in this country among women on the issue of women's health care- access to services. I think we're going to hear a lot more of that over this campaign year."

In their coverage of the Komen vs. Planned Parenthood dispute, the Big Three clearly showed that they were willing to rush to the defense of the abortion giant over a few hundred thousands dollars in grant money. But when the Obama administration handed down a policy that clearly violates the consciences and the religious beliefs of Catholic institutions across the country, the networks barely raised a peep.
 
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Catholic Church vs. Obama in Election Year Showdown


The most recent showdown between Roman Catholic Church leaders and the Obama administration over contraceptive services threatens to alienate the president’s liberal religious supporters at a time when discontent with Washington is surging.

In letters read to parishioners Sunday, Catholic Church leaders across the country openly denounced the administration’s recent decision mandating faith-based hospitals, charities and schools to provide birth control and reproductive services in health insurance plans.

The Catholic Church had lobbied against the new requirement, which will go into effect January 2013.

The wording in the letters, penned by individual clergy, varied widely but the theme was distinctly anti-Washington. Bishop Alexander K. Sample of Marquette, Mich., for example, accused the administration of casting aside the First Amendment, “denying to Catholics our nation’s first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty” and treating people of faith as second-class citizens. Others threatened to not comply with the new rule, which provides exemption to churches and “religious employers.”

The mandate is particularly worrisome to supporters of President Obama, who had coalesced behind him despite his liberal views on abortion and reproductive rights.

“This has hurt the case that some Catholics have made that voting for Obama in some ways is a vote for Catholic social teaching,” said Mathew N. Schmalz, a professor of religion and comparative studies at the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services reportedly based its decision on an Institute of Medicine study, which concluded that birth control is medically necessary to “ensure women’s health and well being.” The independent, nonprofit organization recommended in a July report that contraception, sterilization and reproductive services, including the controversial “morning-after” pill, should be available to all women under health insurance plans, echoing similar recommendations by other medical organizations such as the American Academy of Family Physicians and the American Public Health Association.

Among Catholics, birth control is relatively popular and most are against Church leaders’ intervening in that decision. Ninety-five percent of Catholic women used contraceptives, per a report by the Catholic University of America. Eighty-five percent of all Catholics support expanding access to birth control for women who cannot afford it, higher than the 82 percent of the general population who favors this, according to a survey by the Public Religion Research Institute in Washington, D.C.

“Rank-and-file Catholics also have some reservation about how prominently they want the bishops to be involved in politics,” said Robert P. Jones, chief executive and founder of the institute, which found that more than half of Catholics are against their religious leaders’ pressuring politicians. “There’s some possibility that some Catholics could perceive this as overreaching.”

At the same time, some Catholics also feel the same way about the federal government and that it is stepping on religious liberties.

“For a majority of Catholics who don’t necessarily follow Church teaching in this area, its significance is more symbolic in the sense that the broader issue is not just, say, contraception or providing health case for contraception, but creating a space within civil society for the expression of religion conscience,” professor Schmalz said.

Religious groups, particularly Catholics, have had a mixed relationship with the president.

Obama, who had Joe Biden, a Catholic, as his running mate, won a majority of the Catholic vote in 2008, thanks to support from Hispanics. Seventy-one percent of Catholics of color voted for the senator from Illinois, according to an analysis of exit poll data by Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life.

But he lost among white Catholics with only 47 percent support, becoming the first candidate since 1976 to lose white Catholics but win the presidency.

Democrats courted the religious bloc, including Catholics, heavily in 2008. Candidate Obama spoke openly and candidly about his faith, often linking to his views on issues such as executive pay. But even then, religious groups were wary of Obama because of his abortion-rights stance.

The most recent showdown isn’t the first for this administration. The administration took much heat in December for rejecting the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ request for a grant to help victims of sex trafficking, because it doesn’t provide full gynecological services such as family planning, contraception and abortion. The conference, which got the second-highest rating from an independent review panel, received the same five-year grant in 2006.

It’s too soon to tell how the recent kerfuffles will come to play in November but, religious experts say, it doesn’t bode well for Obama. Even if he keeps his liberal base, he will have a hard time reaching out to the group at large.

“I don’t think Catholic liberals are en masse going to leave Obama but they are disappointed,” Schmalz said. “High-profile Catholics who have supported Obama are put in a more difficult position because of this.”
 
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(02-08-2012 09:33 PM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  
Quote:http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=10443

This isn't just about Catholics vs. Obama - this is also about women

For More Information:
Tim Lilley, 678-990-9032 or
TLilley@MaximusMG.com;
Kevin Wandra, 678-990-9032 or
KWandra@MaximusMG.com

HHS mandate latest salvo in skirmish over life … and human dignity

SAN FRANCISCO, CA (February 1, 2012) – At least one news report on Catholic bishops’ reactions to a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services decision to mandate employer-provided health-insurance coverage of contraception, sterilization and drugs that induce abortions – related to parishes around the country this past weekend – was headlined “Catholics vs. Obama” (The Daily, Jan. 30 edition). Bestselling author Teresa Tomeo sees a battle line drawn against an entire gender – not just this religion or that.

“There are so many things wrong with the HHS mandate it’s hard to know where to begin, Tomeo said. “There is no question that this is an obvious attack on religious freedom and a direct assault on the Catholic Church – as the U.S. Bishops and so many other faith and religious liberty leaders have stated. But it is also an attack on women. Artificial contraception hurts women and society in general.

“How many women are aware that the World Health Organization declared the birth control pill a group one carcinogen some seven years ago?” Tomeo asked. “How many women are aware of the dangers associated with abortifacients, and how many women realize that contraception has resulted in our gender being more objectified than ever before? This mandate is one more example of society, particularly women, having been sold a big fat bill of goods by those with an ulterior pro-death agenda. Women deserve better. All of us deserve better than what the HHS handed down on January 22.”

In her book EXTREME MAKEOVER, available now from Ignatius Press, Tomeo digs deep into a media culture that bombards everyone with pervasive, toxic messages that objectify women. She advocates an “extreme media makeover” that will enable women, children and families to rid themselves of the toxic words and images that bombard them daily, and instead embrace the truth about themselves and their dignity.

To schedule an interview with Tomeo or to request a review copy of EXTREME MAKEOVER, contact Tim Lilley (TLilley@MaximusMG.com) or Kevin Wandra (KWandra@MaximusMG.com) of The Maximus Group at 678-990-9032, or at the email addresses above.

The risk of breast and cervical (and liver) cancers are increased with oral contraceptives, the risk of endometrial and ovarian decrease.
 
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Obamacare Vs. The Catholics
by Jonathan V. Last

February 7, 2012 Jonathan V. Last is a senior writer at The Weekly Standard.

On the last weekend of January, priests in Catholic churches across America read extraordinary letters to their congregations. The missives informed the laity that President Obama and his administration had launched an assault on the church. In Virginia, Catholics heard from Bishop Paul Loverde, who wrote, "I am absolutely convinced that an unprecedented and very dangerous line has been crossed." In Phoenix, Bishop Thomas Olmsted wrote, "We cannot​ — ​we will not​ — ​comply with this unjust law." In Pittsburgh, Bishop David Zubik wrote that President Obama had told Catholics, "To Hell with your religious beliefs." Bishop Daniel Jenky of Peoria asked his flock to join him in the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel, which concludes: By the Divine Power of God / cast into Hell, Satan and all the evil spirits / who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

It was a remarkable moment, in part because despite their stern reputation, most Catholic bishops are not terribly conservative. They tend to be politically liberal and socially cautious. If they were less holy men, stauncher conservatives would call them squishes. Real live conservative bishops are so few and far between that whenever one appears on the scene, such as Philadelphia's Archbishop Charles Chaput, he's seen as a vaguely threatening curiosity. You can tell when a bishop is conservative because you will hear him referred to as "hardline" or "ultra-orthodox," so as to mark him apart from the rest of the herd.

But what made the moment even more remarkable is that the bishops were not exaggerating. It is now a requirement of Obamacare that every Catholic institution larger than a single church​ — and even including some single churches​ — ​must pay for contraceptives, sterilization, and morning-after abortifacients for its employees. Each of these is directly contrary to the Catholic faith. But the Obama administration does not care. They have said, in effect, Do what we tell you — or else.

The beginnings of this confrontation lay in an obscure provision of Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which stated that all insurers will be required to provide "preventive health services." When the law was passed, "preventive" was not defined but left to be determined at a later date.

This past August, Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius finally got around to explaining the administration's interpretation of the phrase. Based on a recommendation from the Institute of Medicine, the administration would define "preventive health services" to include contraceptives, morning-after pills, and female sterilization. And they would interpret the "all insurers" section to include religious organizations, whatever their beliefs.

Sebelius included one small conscience exemption: A religious employer who objects to medical treatment aimed at prevention of the disease commonly known as "pregnancy" may leave it out of their health insurance coverage provided the employer satisfies three criteria: (1) It has religious inculcation as its primary duty; (2) It primarily employs people of the same faith; and (3) It primarily serves people of the same faith. This fig leaf is enough to cover most small churches​ — ​so long as your parish employs only a couple of priests and a secretary, it would probably get a pass. Larger institutions would not.

In the Catholic world, for instance, a diocesan office often employs lots of people​ — ​lawyers, janitors, administrative staff​ — ​who are not necessarily Catholic. And the duties of such offices extend far beyond inculcation of the faith​ — ​to include charity, community service, and education. Or take Catholic universities. There are more than 200 of them, serving some 750,000 students. They clearly do not fit the exemption. Neither would any of the 6,980 Catholic elementary or secondary schools. Nor the country's 600 Catholic hospitals; nor its 1,400 Catholic long-term care centers. Ditto the network of Catholic social services organizations that spend billions of dollars a year to serve the needy and disadvantaged.

As soon as Sebelius released this decision, the Catholic church panicked. The Conference of Catholic Bishops reached out to the administration to explain the position in which it had put them. But the tone of their concern was largely friendly: Most Catholic leaders were convinced that the entire thing was a misunderstanding and that the policy​ — ​which was labeled an "interim" measure​ — ​would eventually be amended.

The reason for this optimism was that more than a few important Catholics had previously climbed out on a high branch for Obama politically, and for his health care reform as a matter of policy. Despite what you may read in the New York Times, most lay Catholics are nominally at home in the Democratic party. (Remember that a majority of Catholics voted for Obama in 2008.) And what is true of the laity goes double for those in religious life. In 2009, Notre Dame president Father John Jenkins welcomed President Obama as the school's commencement speaker in the face of a heated student protest. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops mostly kept its powder dry during the fight over Obamacare, and very few members of the church hierarchy actively, or even tacitly, opposed the bill. Others, such as Sister Carol Keehan, the president of the Catholic Health Association, actually lobbied in favor of it, early and often. So most Catholics took the president at his word when he met with Archbishop Timothy Dolan last fall and assured him that when the final version of the policy was eventually released, any fears would be allayed.

That was their mistake. Obama telephoned Dolan on the morning of January 20 to inform him that the only concession he intended to offer in the final policy was to extend the deadline for conformity to August 2013. Every other aspect of the policy enunciated by Sebelius would remain rigidly in place.

It's unclear whether Obama anticipated the blowback which resulted from this announcement, or perhaps even welcomed the fight. The liberal Catholic establishment nearly exploded. Sister Keehan was so horrified she threw her lot in with the more conservative Dolan in full-throated opposition to Obama. Cardinal Roger Mahony, the spectacularly liberal archbishop emeritus of Los Angeles, wrote, "I cannot imagine a more direct and frontal attack on freedom of conscience... This decision must be fought against with all the energies the Catholic community can muster." Michael Sean Winters, the National Catholic Reporter's leftist lion, penned a 1,800-word cri de coeur titled "J'accuse!" in which he declared that, as God was his witness, he would never again vote for Obama. The editors of the Jesuit magazine America denounced a "wrong decision," while the Washington Post columnist E. J. Dionne called the policy "unconscionable." When you've lost even E.J. and the Jesuits, you've lost the church.

The reason liberal Catholics were so wounded is twofold. First, this isn't a religio-cultural fight over Latin in the Mass or Gregorian chant. The subjects of contraception, abortion, and sterilization are not ornamental aspects of the Catholic faith; they flow from the Church's central teachings about the dignity of the human person. Second, Obama has left Catholic organizations a very narrow set of options. (1) They may truckle to the government's mandate, in violation of their beliefs. (2) They may cease providing health insurance to their employees altogether, though this would incur significant financial penalties under Obamacare. (The church seems unlikely to obtain any of Nancy Pelosi's golden waivers.) Or (3) they may simply shut down. There is precedent for this final option. In 2006, Boston's Catholic Charities closed its adoption service​ — ​one of the most successful in the nation​ — ​after Massachusetts law required that the organization must place children in same-sex households.

Which means that what is actually on the block are precisely the kind of social-justice services​ — ​education, health care, and aid to the needy​ — ​that liberal Catholics believe to be the most vital works of the church. For conservative Catholics, Obama merely confirmed their darkest suspicions; for liberals, it was a betrayal in full.

As a matter of law, this decision by Obama's health care bureaucrats seems unlikely to survive. Last month, the Supreme Court struck down another attempt by the administration to bully religious believers in the Hosanna-Tabor case. In that instance, Obama's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission argued that a religious organization does not have the right to control its hiring and firing according to its religious belief. The Court struck down this argument 9-0 in a rebuke so embarrassing that Justice Elena Kagan came close to openly mocking her successor as Obama's solicitor general during oral arguments. It was the kind of sweeping decision that should have deterred the Obama administration from forcing Catholics into complying with the health insurance mandate, because it suggested that the Court will very likely side against the administration once this matter comes before it. Presidents typically dislike being overturned unanimously by the High Court.

The trick, of course, is that when Sebelius issued the final protocol, her lone concession was the one-year delay in implementation. Which, for Obama, has the happy side-effect of pushing the moment of enforcement to August 2013. Meaning that no legal challenge can come until after the 2012 election. Which suggests that the thinking behind the policy may be primarily political. The question, then, is whether Obama's confrontation with Catholics makes electoral sense.

While Catholics were blindsided by the January decision, the left had been paying close attention to the subject for months. In November, several leftist and feminist blogs began beating the war drums, warning Obama not to "cave" (their word) to the bishops. They were joined by the Nation, Salon, the Huffington Post, and the usual suspects. (Sample headline: "The Men Behind the War on Women.") At the same time, Planned Parenthood and NARAL launched grassroots lobbying efforts and delivered petitions with 100,000 and 135,000 signatures respectively to the White House urging Obama to uphold the policy and not compromise.

In that sense, Obama's decision might be thought of as akin to his decision halting the Keystone oil pipeline: a conscious attempt to energize his base at the expense of swing voters, who he concluded were already lost.

The other possibility, of course, is that Obama sees the dismantling of Catholic institutions as part of a larger ideological mission, worth losing votes over. As Yuval Levin noted in National Review Online last week, institutions such as the Catholic church represent a mediating layer between the individual and the state. This layer, known as civil society, is one of the principal differences between Western liberal order and the socialist view.

Levin argues that the current fight is just one more example of President Obama's attempt to bulldoze civil society. He wants to sweep away the middle layer so that individuals may have a more direct and personal encounter with the state. The attack on Catholics is, Levin concludes, "an attack on mediating institutions of all sorts, moved by the genuine belief that they are obstacles to a good society."

Seen in this light, Obama's confrontation with the Catholic church is of a piece with the administration's pursuit of the rickety Hosanna-Tabor case and another incident from last October, when the Department of Health and Human Services defunded a grant to the Conference of Catholic Bishops. That program supported aid to victims of human trafficking. The Obama administration decided that they no longer wanted the Catholic church in the business of helping these poor souls. That, evidently, is the government's job.

Of course, there is a third possibility in explaining the president's motives. It could be that, in deciding to go to war with the Catholic church, President Obama has hit on one of those rare moments where his electoral interests — at least as he perceives them — and his ideological goals are blessedly aligned.
 
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Obama vs. Catholics: The War on Religious Freedom

Kate Hicks
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The battle between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration has landed in headlines today, as the church begins a fight against the January 20th Health and Human Services mandate that Catholic employers and insurance agencies provide contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients to employees and clients.

Nevermind that the church has been abundantly clear regarding its stance on contraception as morally abhorrent. This is not a murky or disputed position within the Catholic Church; it has generated controversy, to be sure, but never within the Church's hierarchy. From parish priests to the Pope himself, the teachings are consistent.

Yet here we have an administration that purports to moralize for us. Barack Obama and Kathleen Sebelius think the church is wrong, and that it should grant women access to contraception despite moral opposition.

Catholics are fighting back. Archbishop of New York and Cardinal-Designate Timothy Dolan, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, requested that priests around the nation address their congregations regarding the law.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced a little over a week ago that almost all employers, including Catholic employers, will be forced to offer their employees’ health coverage that includes sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception. Almost all health insurers will be forced to include those “services” in the health policies they write. And almost all individuals will be forced to buy that coverage as a part of their policies.

In so ruling, the Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics our Nation’s first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty. And as a result, unless the rule is overturned, we Catholics will be compelled either to violate our consciences, or to drop health coverage for our employees (and suffer the penalties for doing so). The Administration’s sole concession was to give our institutions one year to comply.

We cannot – we will not – comply with this unjust law. People of faith cannot be made second class citizens. We are already joined by our brothers and sisters of all faiths and many others of good will in this important effort to regain our religious freedom. Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture, only to have their posterity stripped of their God given rights. In generations past, the Church has always been able to count on the faithful to stand up and protect her sacred rights and duties. We hope and trust she can count on this generation of Catholics to do the same. Our children and grandchildren deserve nothing less.


Advocates for so-called “women’s rights” have touted the mandate as necessary for the protection of “women’s health,” and claim women want such coverage. They point to the statistic that says 98% of Catholic women reported using some form of contraception. The argument goes that because Catholic women want and use contraception, the Church is obliged to provide it.

On the contrary, this completely misses the point. Perhaps nearly every Catholic couple uses contraception; that fact does not change the church's stance on the issue, and the church should not be required to acquiesce to public opinion on the matter. Indeed, Catholicism has a long and proud tradition of defying popular sentiment. Once, such adherence to the faith looked like martyrdom in the Roman Coliseum. These days, we face challenges that are more nuanced and obviously less bloody, but nonetheless important for preserving the integrity of the faith.

Indeed, this offensive against Catholic doctrine holds great significance for all religions. Make no mistake: this administration has violated the Constitution by attempting to regulate the sacred doctrine of a particular faith.

There’s no need to debate the finer points of the policy in question. Neither side will bend to the will of the other. The takeaway is simply this: if we try to force the Catholic Church to provide a service that impinges on its doctrine because it’s a service we want, then we forfeit a sacred freedom. If we are willing to abdicate freedom for convenience, then we have lost sight of the real purpose for which this country was founded. And I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t free birth control for all.
 
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With the lack of a highly electable Republican candidate, and an improving economy, I thought ol' Obama had the election pretty well sewn up. He certainly can talk, had a ton of money, had most of the media, and enough dimwits like half of my extended family to vote for him.

But then he talked too much. Messing with people's religion....bye, bye.
 
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(02-08-2012 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  With the lack of a highly electable Republican candidate, and an improving economy, I thought ol' Obama had the election pretty well sewn up. He certainly can talk, had a ton of money, had most of the media, and enough dimwits like half of my extended family to vote for him.

But then he talked too much. Messing with people's religion....bye, bye.

Eh...Catholics overwhelmingly use birth control and wouldn't mind if the Church changed its position on the matter. According to one poll, 54% of Catholics believe insurance should pay for it.

Now that Obama has "compromised," and the Catholic Church is holding firm, I think the Republicans are the ones who will end up getting burned on this. Trying to cozy up to the Catholic Church on this one will lead to nowhere.
 
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(02-15-2012 10:46 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-08-2012 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  With the lack of a highly electable Republican candidate, and an improving economy, I thought ol' Obama had the election pretty well sewn up. He certainly can talk, had a ton of money, had most of the media, and enough dimwits like half of my extended family to vote for him.

But then he talked too much. Messing with people's religion....bye, bye.

Eh...Catholics overwhelmingly use birth control and wouldn't mind if the Church changed its position on the matter. According to one poll, 54% of Catholics believe insurance should pay for it.

Now that Obama has "compromised," and the Catholic Church is holding firm, I think the Republicans are the ones who will end up getting burned on this. Trying to cozy up to the Catholic Church on this one will lead to nowhere.

I am not Catholic so help me understand precisely why the Catholic Church should compromise their principles?
 
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If 100% of Catholics in America wanted and used birth control they would be exercising their Freedom of choice in using a drug that is legal and over the counter. They would be at odds with their church, but not with the law or the U.S. Constitution.

If the Catholic church is opposed to birth control, contraceptives, sterilization, et. al. and they are made to provide it to their employees by the federal Government the Government is violating the Constitution. The debate has nothing to do with birth control (pay no attention to the MSM behind the curtain telling you so), but about a Government forcing a religeon to go against their teachings.
 
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(02-15-2012 10:46 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-08-2012 10:21 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  With the lack of a highly electable Republican candidate, and an improving economy, I thought ol' Obama had the election pretty well sewn up. He certainly can talk, had a ton of money, had most of the media, and enough dimwits like half of my extended family to vote for him.

But then he talked too much. Messing with people's religion....bye, bye.

Eh...Catholics overwhelmingly use birth control and wouldn't mind if the Church changed its position on the matter. According to one poll, 54% of Catholics believe insurance should pay for it.

Now that Obama has "compromised," and the Catholic Church is holding firm, I think the Republicans are the ones who will end up getting burned on this. Trying to cozy up to the Catholic Church on this one will lead to nowhere.

Actually it is good that this issue of ObamaCare and the democrats forcing employers to buy government mandated insurance, is back in the news.
The Democrat controlled house, senate and Obama wrote this 2,500 page bill, didn't read it, and passed it with zero input from the other side. I don't think 1 Republican voted for this bill.

The Federal government should not tell Religious employers what type of insurance they should or should not provide. Same for any employer. But the end game of course is to get as many people of the government nipple and to make private insurance impossible to afford or purchase.

Why have so many companies, Unions been granted exemptions from ObamaCare?
 
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(02-16-2012 08:40 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  If 100% of Catholics in America wanted and used birth control they would be exercising their Freedom of choice in using a drug that is legal and over the counter. They would be at odds with their church, but not with the law or the U.S. Constitution.

If the Catholic church is opposed to birth control, contraceptives, sterilization, et. al. and they are made to provide it to their employees by the federal Government the Government is violating the Constitution. The debate has nothing to do with birth control (pay no attention to the MSM behind the curtain telling you so), but about a Government forcing a religeon to go against their teachings.

I guess the real question is - "What is The Church?"

Originally, the Obama administration said The Church isn't forced to pay for contraceptives but Church-owned businesses are. Of course, The Church didn't like that distinction.

Obama compromised and Church-owned businessess no longer have to pay. At first The Church said, "GREAT!" then backed down and said, "Not good enough."

I only began looking into this last night, but as most of you know, the Catholic Church is enormously wealthy. As the world's largest land owner, the Catholic Church makes over $30 billion a year off land holdings alone, and have become world-class mega investors in the securities markets.

In other words, The Catholic Church owns a LOT of stock in a LOT of companies (This would make for another interesting thread, but I still have research to do. I want to see their holdings of pharmaceutical companies.). Their holdings are traded and managed by the who's-who of the world's investment firms.

So...as owners of many, many publicly traded companies, does The Catholic Church have the right to dictate this policy and claim government persecution of their religion?

The majority of Americans want contraceptives as part of their coverage. At what point does it turn into The Catholic Church imposing its religion on others?

I'm a born-and-raised Catholic, so I find this whole thing very interesting.
 
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(02-16-2012 11:36 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-16-2012 08:40 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  If 100% of Catholics in America wanted and used birth control they would be exercising their Freedom of choice in using a drug that is legal and over the counter. They would be at odds with their church, but not with the law or the U.S. Constitution.

If the Catholic church is opposed to birth control, contraceptives, sterilization, et. al. and they are made to provide it to their employees by the federal Government the Government is violating the Constitution. The debate has nothing to do with birth control (pay no attention to the MSM behind the curtain telling you so), but about a Government forcing a religeon to go against their teachings.
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I guess the real question is - "What is The Church?"

Originally, the Obama administration said The Church isn't forced to pay for contraceptives but Church-owned businesses do. Of course, The Church didn't like that distinction.

Obama compromised and Church-owned businessess no longer have to pay. At first The Church said, "GREAT!" then backed down and said, "Not good enough."

I only began looking into this last night, but as most of you know, the Catholic Church is enormously wealthy. As the world's largest land owner, the Catholic Church makes over $30 billion a year off land holdings alone, and have become world-class mega investors in the securities markets.

In other words, The Catholic Church owns a LOT of stock in a LOT of companies (This would make for another interesting thread, but I still have research to do. I want to see their holdings of pharmaceutical companies.). Their holdings are traded and managed by the who's-who of the world's investment firms.

So...as owners of many, many publicly traded companies, does The Catholic Church have the right to dictate this policy and claim government persecution of their religion?

The majority of Americans want contraceptives as part of their coverage. At what point does it turn into The Catholic Church imposing its religion on others?

I'm a born-and-raised Catholic, so I find this whole thing very interesting.

Nice try, but you have it all backwards. Really the question who in the hell does Obama and his pals think they are telling religious employers what kind of insurance they must provide to their employees. They are are the dictators.

Churches are exempt, religious employers are not. How much $$$ the Vatican has in the bank has nothing to do with Mercy Health Systems, Catholic Healthcare West, Catholic Health Initiatives etc. These employers are not the Church. Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, Moeller HS are also not Churches so they are not exempt.

And to your other point about who is winning the PR battle? Why did Obama compromise then?
 
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The Administration's latest position stating that a religeon (in this case Catholics and others) doesn't have to pay for something (birth control services, sterilization, etc) that goes against their teachings and something they find morally or ethically wrong as part of their Health Care at 1st seems ok on the surface. Which is why I believe the 1st reaction was OK, this is good... But then turning around and saying you wont be required to; but the insurance companies will be required to provide these services to your employees is insane. Who will pay for the insurance that will provide the services they feel are wrong? The organized religeon of course.
 
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http://news.investors.com/article/600804...riment.htm

An excellent editorial comparing our current president to Henry VIII with regard to Obamacare.
 
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(02-16-2012 12:37 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The Administration's latest position stating that a religeon (in this case Catholics and others) doesn't have to pay for something (birth control services, sterilization, etc) that goes against their teachings and something they find morally or ethically wrong as part of their Health Care at 1st seems ok on the surface. Which is why I believe the 1st reaction was OK, this is good... But then turning around and saying you wont be required to; but the insurance companies will be required to provide these services to your employees is insane. Who will pay for the insurance that will provide the services they feel are wrong? The organized religeon of course.

Organized religion goes along with many, many things they don't agree with, which is why this contraceptive thing is so interesting.

The federal government has long been pro-contraception, but that didn't stop Catholic charities, hospitals, and colleges from accepting federal funding.

I read of at least one Catholic charity - whose name escapes me - that invested in Wyeth, a major producer of contraceptives.

Personally, I think contraception is a public health issue and I can see huge benefits for the policy, and in the long run a cost-saver for the federal government.

As far as Superfly's comment goes, if I were to choose which is more of a dictatorship - the Catholic Church or the US government - easily it's the Catholic Church. They're secretive, answer to no one, dictate dogma, and keep money and power highly centralized in the top of the hierarchy - and that's not even a criticism...it's just how it is.

Just as an example of how much the Catholic Church feels it should be part of your life, my last Confession was to one of my best friends from high school who became a priest. I asked him point blank - "If God knows I'm genuinely sorry for my sins and I ask for forgiveness, why do I need to confess these sins to you?"

His answer was something along the lines that not only does one have to confess sins to God, it's necessary to confess to His Church because somehow The Church authenticates the whole thing. I never went back. God knows my transgressions; the priest can free himself to do other things.
 
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The worst punishment a Church can levy (e.g. Catholics) would be an excommunication I believe. The Government mandate for healthcare will punish through fines and imprisonment if I am not mistaken.

Again, arguing that this is about contraception and healthcare isnt where the real problem is... it's the Government forcing a religeon to do something against their teachings and what they feel is morally wrong.

Most of the states arguing against Obamacare argue that the Government should not be able to force a person to buy a service.

To me it's about the great principles this country was founded on, freedom. The article posted by mptnstr@44 has a lot of really good points.
 
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(02-16-2012 02:55 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The worst punishment a Church can levy (e.g. Catholics) would be an excommunication I believe. The Government mandate for healthcare will punish through fines and imprisonment if I am not mistaken.

Again, arguing that this is about contraception and healthcare isnt where the real problem is... it's the Government forcing a religeon to do something against their teachings and what they feel is morally wrong.

Most of the states arguing against Obamacare argue that the Government should not be able to force a person to buy a service.

To me it's about the great principles this country was founded on, freedom. The article posted by mptnstr@44 has a lot of really good points.

In this particular case, with Obama's change of heart, I don't see the Catholic Church being forced to provide contraceptives against its teachings.

I DO, however, see The Catholic Church trying to exert its influence on government, something the Republican Party has been trying to promote with conservative Christianity since the Reagan Administration, and further bolstered by George W, with his faith-based initiatives which dangerously link government and religion together.

Government forces us to buy all sorts of services for which we have paid all our lives, from Social Security, to Medicare, to education, to transportation, to trash collection, to libraries (which I'm sure house many, many objectionable books to Catholics and conservative Christians, alike), to...
 
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Quote:In this particular case, with Obama's change of heart, I don't see the Catholic Church being forced to provide contraceptives against its teachings.

The Catholic Church pays for the insurance, the insurance provides the service considered morally wrong and unethical by the religeon. If they dont pay for the Insurance (Service) they will be fined and face imprisonment. I can't think of a clearer way of saying they are being forced to provide a service that goes against their teachings.
 
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