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Quote:Cincinnati loses both Maxiell and Nick Williams, their two best players. And they had a less than stellar class this year.

Nick William's is not UCs second best player. He might have had a great game yesterday, but overall he is probably 4th or 5th best on the team. IMO, it goes Max, Hicks, Kirkland, then up in the air for Muhammad or Williams. Williams has shown up big time in 1 game this year, and that was Saturday.

Their class this year might turn out to be the best in years once they reach their senior year. UC has been rated highly over the last few years due to getting JC all-american's who never panned out. Last year it was Whaley and Williams (Whaley is already gone from the school). If they had him this year and playing to his potential they would be a top 10 team.

This years class has 1 player who is now a prop 48, and is staying in school (or says so at least). If he stays, their guard play over the next 3 or 4 years could be outstanding. They have a 6'9" player out of Miami who was rated very high on the recruiting lists to go with a guard who is up for the HS all american team. Roy Bright is a 3/4 (really a 3, but gotten time at the 4 this year) who has gotten a lot of minutes this year as a freshman. Give him 2 years and he will be a stud.

I know Big East basketball top to bottom is better this year than CUSA, but I can without a doubt tell you that UC will be in the hunt for the Big East crown next year.
01-16-2005 08:03 PM
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Quote:Nick William's is not UCs second best player. He might have had a great game yesterday, but overall he is probably 4th or 5th best on the team. IMO, it goes Max, Hicks, Kirkland, then up in the air for Muhammad or Williams. Williams has shown up big time in 1 game this year, and that was Saturday.

My mistake. Haven't followed a lot of games for UC this year, but I did watch the tape of UL-UC yesterday. Thought Nick had finally started to live up to his reputation, in this his senior year.

So I stand corrected.

But you haven't convinced me on this year's UC class being anything special. Muhammed and Bright are nice players, but neither is anything to get too excited about yet. And yes, I felt the same way about all 4 of SU's freshmen last year. Which supposedly was suppose to be 'the best' SU class ever. But then it was kind of foolish to make that claim about that class anyway since it followed the Anthony, McNamara class (the best class without a doubt since it brought an NC to the team in their freshmen year).

I do think Huggins and UC will adapt more quickly to BE style of play than any of the other newbies. I just don't see them being upper division the first year in, but rather 2006-07 and beyond.


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01-16-2005 08:31 PM
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omnicarrier Wrote:I do think Huggins and UC will adapt more quickly to BE style of play than any of the other newbies. I just don't see them being upper division the first year in, but rather 2006-07 and beyond.
Our team is only seven deep this season, loses Max and Nick next year, so, as MLB has pointed out, it will be highly dependent on newcomers. The problem is getting people either eligible or to buy into what Huggs is doing. Two interior players, Pilgrim and Whaley, have left the program due to either butting heads with Huggs or academic issues. And now we lose Vince Banks to academics this season.

A large number of Bearcat followers think Vince is better than Nick at the 2. It would be detrimental if he didn't come back. The loss of Max will be extremely tough to overcome. There are two interior players coming in, but Max is better than each of them, so we'll be trading quality for depth. Eric Hicks needs to step up his game big time next season, and believe me, he's perfectly capable.

Armein Kirkland can be a nightmarish match-up problem as a 6-8 3, but many Bearcat fans doubt he has the toughness to be able to take over when needed.

Lot's of questions. I, for one, am concerned. Glad Huggs is in our corner, though.
01-17-2005 12:00 PM
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tigum Wrote:Well- in a year or so we'll know won't we- I watch alot of B'ball- am not impressed with the defensive effort of either L'ville or UC. Plus- different leagues have different styles- BE b'ball is defense oriented- refs are a bit inconsistent but generally allow alot more than other conferences. I know you're opinion is as biased as mine but L'ville on top of the last two national champs in their first year- oh well- time will tell.
I am not saying that Cincinnati is going to own the Big East in any capacity, but I am not sure why Louisville seems to be getting more respect in bball than us right now? Cincinnati has been the C-USA champion in every year of the league's existence except for one.

As far as not being impressed with UC's defensive effort, we are always in the top 10 in field goal percentage defense, and are currently ranked second in the nation in that category as well as blocked shots per game.

My opinion is obviously biased as well, but defense will not be a problem, that is what this program hangs its hat on.

We will definitely be among the upper echelon of basketball teams next year.
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omnicarrier Wrote:My mistake.  Haven't followed a lot of games for UC this year, but I did watch the tape of UL-UC yesterday.  Thought Nick had finally started to live up to his reputation, in this his senior year.

So I stand corrected.

But you haven't convinced me on this year's UC class being anything special.  Muhammed and Bright are nice players, but neither is anything to get too excited about yet.  And yes, I felt the same way about all 4 of SU's freshmen last year.  Which supposedly was suppose to be 'the best' SU class ever.  But then it was kind of foolish to make that claim about that class anyway since it followed the Anthony, McNamara class (the best class without a doubt since it brought an NC to the team in their freshmen year).

I do think Huggins and UC will adapt more quickly to BE style of play than any of the other newbies.  I just don't see them being upper division the first year in, but rather 2006-07 and beyond.


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This is a down year, by UC's standard. And UC hasn't had the benefit of using the Big East when we lose a great class so, unlike UConn or Syracuse or the Big East teams, it takes us two years to refill a class instead of reloading every year. If UC were in the Big East or Big Ten we would re-stock every year. There's no way UC would only have 7 or 8 quality players if Huggs could have sold recruits on the Big East instead of C-USA, no disrespect at all to C-USA. Louisville lost Sean Mays, if Louisville were in the Big East Sean Mays would be manning the middle for them right now. UC has lost out on a BUNCH of high-caliber, All-American players because of our conference affiliation (Khalid Al-min(SP?) and Mateen Cleves are a few), UC is going to bring in a loaded recruiting class next year. They're bringing in a 6-10 or 6-11 freshman big man who is considered one of the most talented, true low-post players in the country. Tyree Evans, a scoring machine from Virginia. Devean Downey, a special PG who is tearing it up in high school right now, he's basically a Big East-style PG. And a quality role-player in McGowan, a 6-7 PF. And Vincent Banks, who is supposed to be a dominant scoring SG who people compare, as far as his ability to take over games, to Steve Logan. Those guys are coming in and UC is "only" losing Nick Williams and Jason Maxiell. Max will take a little time to replace, but Huggs is going to have a ridiculously talented, albeit young, team next year. And I believe he has another scholarship to burn on another big man, so he'll have another big man to bring in hopefully. UC is going to just come in and get their @sses handed to them in the Big East. UC is going to compete for a Big East title. Bob Huggins has been waiting years for a opportunity to coach in a Big Six conference and he has the horses to compete and win in this conference at a high level.
01-29-2005 03:28 PM
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tigum Wrote:Well- in a year or so we'll know won't we-  I watch alot of B'ball- am not impressed with the defensive effort of either L'ville or UC.  Plus- different leagues have different styles- BE b'ball is defense oriented- refs are a bit inconsistent but generally allow alot more than other conferences.  I know you're opinion is as biased as mine but L'ville on top of the last two national champs in their first year- oh well- time will tell.

UC is among the Top 10 in field goal percentage defense and #3 in the country in blocked shots. #1 Illinois shot 38% from the field against UC and #12 Louisville had trouble running their offense against UC, Wake is scoring 92 ppg and only score 74 points against UC. Illinois couldn't breath from the perimeter in the first half, shooting something like 3-11 from 3 pt range. Wake the same way. Louisville, the same way. And those are some of the best teams in the nation. And that is with a UC team that is down, talent wise, by Cincinnati standards. As for Louisville, Rick Pitino knows the Big East in and out, he has been preparing for this for years. What Big East fans who are underestimating Cincinnati and Louisville forget is that we're doing it without being in a "sexy" conference. C-USA is considering a strong conference, but not an elite conference. Yet, year in and year out, save for a few down years by Louisville, these programs churn out Top 25 programs. We don't have the Big East affiliation to add depth or battle Big Six conferences for recruits. I compare it to baseball. Minnesota is going to the playoffs with like a 40 or 50 million dollar payroll. If you gave them a 80 million to 90 million dollar payroll they could compete with the Yankees year in and year out. The Big East is our 80 million to 90 million dollar payroll. There's a reason why Louisville and Cincinnati are considered among the Top 10 basketball programs of all time. And unlike UConn and Syracuse and Pitt and Villanova, we haven't had the ability to recruit in a Big Six conference until this past summer.
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