(02-03-2012 02:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 02:21 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I like it because I get games in Atlanta and Blacksburg, the two closest locations to Nashville. I also like that we will get Dook and UNC in hoops.

If I understand correctly, you will not get Duke or UNC any more than the rest of us. Here's the relevant statment:

teams will play every league opponent at least once with the primary partners playing home and away annually while the other 12 rotate in groups of four: one year both home and away; one year at home only; and one year away only.

In other words, there are no divisions in basketball -- the only team Pitt will play twice every year is Maryland. You will play Duke & UNC twice one year, at home only one year, and away only the 3rd year, in a rotating cycle -- so will everyone. The only team that will play UNC twice every year in hoops is... Duke.

I think you are correct. I skimmed through the article and missed that detail.

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I think Pitt would have been better served in the Atlantic, however, what's done is done.

It is a little odd that the ACC chose the opposite divisions as what most of us thought they would. I wonder how the discussion went down.

(02-03-2012 04:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I think Pitt would have been better served in the Atlantic, however, what's done is done.

It is a little odd that the ACC chose the opposite divisions as what most of us thought they would. I wonder how the discussion went down.

I think it had something to do w/ not wanting to change anyone's crossovers. If they did that for one they'd have to do it for someone else kind of thing then they'd be back to starting from scratch.

(02-03-2012 04:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I think Pitt would have been better served in the Atlantic, however, what's done is done.

It is a little odd that the ACC chose the opposite divisions as what most of us thought they would. I wonder how the discussion went down.

Swofford: Hey, Tarheel's... who do you want to play, Pittsburgh or Syracuse?
Tarheels: We'd rather play Pittsburgh, John.
Swofford: OK, Pittsburgh to the Coastal. Now, let's go play golf!

(02-03-2012 05:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 04:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 01:32 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I think Pitt would have been better served in the Atlantic, however, what's done is done.

It is a little odd that the ACC chose the opposite divisions as what most of us thought they would. I wonder how the discussion went down.

Swofford: Hey, Tarheel's... who do you want to play, Pittsburgh or Syracuse?
Tarheels: We'd rather play Pittsburgh, John.
Swofford: OK, Pittsburgh to the Coastal. Now, let's go play golf!

Commissioner Swofford explains ACC's new football, basketball schedules

Quote:Swofford said the “overriding factors” in the division assignments were keeping Virginia Tech and Boston College as partners, and rekindling the Boston College-Syracuse and Virginia Tech-Pitt rivalries that waned when the Hokies and Eagles left the Big East for the ACC.

It sounds like, from the referenced article, there was a general consensus among the ADs and coaches to preserve and/or restore the old Big East rivalries for FB, and the only way to do that appears to be putting Syracuse in the Atlantic and Pitt in the Coastal.

I like that SU will play FSU. I would have been good with Miami, but I think FSU has the future and playing them will be the long term better choice for the Orange. Playing Pitt yearly will also be good as they will be our longest rivalry, since Penn State and WVU will not appear annually on our schedule.

(02-03-2012 09:29 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  I like that SU will play FSU. I would have been good with Miami, but I think FSU has the future and playing them will be the long term better choice for the Orange. Playing Pitt yearly will also be good as they will be our longest rivalry, since Penn State and WVU will not appear annually on our schedule.

I remember being a student and going to a Cuse - FSU game at the dome - think it was 2005. It was a nail biter and we almost pulled off the upset. I'm very happy with the arrangement, save Miami (could care less about playing Va Tech).

(02-03-2012 08:09 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Commissioner Swofford explains ACC's new football, basketball schedules

Quote:Swofford said the “overriding factors” in the division assignments were keeping Virginia Tech and Boston College as partners, and rekindling the Boston College-Syracuse and Virginia Tech-Pitt rivalries that waned when the Hokies and Eagles left the Big East for the ACC.

It sounds like, from the referenced article, there was a general consensus among the ADs and coaches to preserve and/or restore the old Big East rivalries for FB, and the only way to do that appears to be putting Syracuse in the Atlantic and Pitt in the Coastal.

I think the issue you have with this is that Pittsburgh and Boston College were Big East non-factors for the majority of time Miami and Virginia Tech were in the Big East. Miami and Virginia Tech typically battled Syracuse for the Big East championship. Now if you want to to say rekindle old eastern-independent rivalries than sure but Big East was defined by Miami-Cuse-V.Tech for a decade.

(02-04-2012 12:09 AM)snowycuse Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:09 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Commissioner Swofford explains ACC's new football, basketball schedules

Quote:Swofford said the “overriding factors” in the division assignments were keeping Virginia Tech and Boston College as partners, and rekindling the Boston College-Syracuse and Virginia Tech-Pitt rivalries that waned when the Hokies and Eagles left the Big East for the ACC.

It sounds like, from the referenced article, there was a general consensus among the ADs and coaches to preserve and/or restore the old Big East rivalries for FB, and the only way to do that appears to be putting Syracuse in the Atlantic and Pitt in the Coastal.

I think the issue you have with this is that Pittsburgh and Boston College were Big East non-factors for the majority of time Miami and Virginia Tech were in the Big East. Miami and Virginia Tech typically battled Syracuse for the Big East championship. Now if you want to to say rekindle old eastern-independent rivalries than sure but Big East was defined by Miami-Cuse-V.Tech for a decade.

I thought BC won the Big East title in '99 and 2000...

BC never won a football title (thanks to Diamond Ferri).

(02-04-2012 03:04 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 12:09 AM)snowycuse Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:09 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Commissioner Swofford explains ACC's new football, basketball schedules

Quote:Swofford said the “overriding factors” in the division assignments were keeping Virginia Tech and Boston College as partners, and rekindling the Boston College-Syracuse and Virginia Tech-Pitt rivalries that waned when the Hokies and Eagles left the Big East for the ACC.

It sounds like, from the referenced article, there was a general consensus among the ADs and coaches to preserve and/or restore the old Big East rivalries for FB, and the only way to do that appears to be putting Syracuse in the Atlantic and Pitt in the Coastal.

I think the issue you have with this is that Pittsburgh and Boston College were Big East non-factors for the majority of time Miami and Virginia Tech were in the Big East. Miami and Virginia Tech typically battled Syracuse for the Big East championship. Now if you want to to say rekindle old eastern-independent rivalries than sure but Big East was defined by Miami-Cuse-V.Tech for a decade.

I thought BC won the Big East title in '99 and 2000...

In 2004, BC was in a 4 way tie as BE champion along with SU and Pitt and WV. Pitt represented the BE in the bcs game that season. That was the closest that BC ever came to winning anything in the BE regarding fb.

Actually, although Pitt is 4-7 against VT, they are 3-1 in the 2000s and on a 3 game winning streak.

2000s - 3-1
1990s - 1-6

I'm guessing that might be what the ACC is going for.

http://www.mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/pitt/vatech.shtml

Figures that the ACC screws this up about as bad as they could.

Nine conference games means there will no longer be any interesting OOC series for Clemson besides South Carolina. It also means that while Clemson, FSU, and GT play at least 10 games a year against BCS competition the rest of the ACC gets to get away with 9. I fully expect NC State to play an annual OOC slate that looks like this: Western Carolina, Gardner Webb, South Alabama.

Then they put Syracuse in the Atlantic. Nevermind the fact that out of the two conferences the Atlantic is already the most strung out even with Miami being in the Coastal.

This debacle shows that more than ever the biggest thing holding the ACC back is the inept leadership we have running the conference. Never let a sheep handle anything related to football because they simply do not understand.

(02-04-2012 08:39 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Figures that the ACC screws this up about as bad as they could.

Nine conference games means there will no longer be any interesting OOC series for Clemson besides South Carolina. It also means that while Clemson, FSU, and GT play at least 10 games a year against BCS competition the rest of the ACC gets to get away with 9. I fully expect NC State to play an annual OOC slate that looks like this: Western Carolina, Gardner Webb, South Alabama.

Then they put Syracuse in the Atlantic. Nevermind the fact that out of the two conferences the Atlantic is already the most strung out even with Miami being in the Coastal.

This debacle shows that more than ever the biggest thing holding the ACC back is the inept leadership we have running the conference. Never let a sheep handle anything related to football because they simply do not understand.

While I can't speak for other teams, Syracuse will most likely continue to schedule upper BCS teams, if possible.

If we join in 2013, our schedule will look like this.

OOC
FCS
@Northwestern
*Penn State - (neutral site)
Annual Conference
Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Maryland
NC State
Pittsburgh
Wake Forest
Inter-divisional
Coastal 1
Coastal 2

(02-04-2012 08:39 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  It also means that while Clemson, FSU, and GT play at least 10 games a year against BCS competition the rest of the ACC gets to get away with 9.

Syracuse already has an OOC BCS opponent scheduled every year until 2021 except 2018.

(02-04-2012 08:39 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Figures that the ACC screws this up about as bad as they could.

Nine conference games means there will no longer be any interesting OOC series for Clemson besides South Carolina. It also means that while Clemson, FSU, and GT play at least 10 games a year against BCS competition the rest of the ACC gets to get away with 9. I fully expect NC State to play an annual OOC slate that looks like this: Western Carolina, Gardner Webb, South Alabama.

Then they put Syracuse in the Atlantic. Nevermind the fact that out of the two conferences the Atlantic is already the most strung out even with Miami being in the Coastal.

This debacle shows that more than ever the biggest thing holding the ACC back is the inept leadership we have running the conference. Never let a sheep handle anything related to football because they simply do not understand.

Pitt won't be a slouch in the OOC scheduling dept either. There is talk about long term scheduling agreements for ND AND PSU. Based on that, most of the ACC will be hard pressed to get more difficult OOC games than Pitt will be scheduling.

I have honestly yet to find a Clemson fan that thinks this is a good idea. I have only found a few that even have a neutral opinion. The vast majority are upset because they know that we are essentially trading an assured sellout each year from a high profile OOC game for an additional game against a conference team that will not travel.

This is a prime example as to why the ACC sucks in football. The rot starts at the top. When you have piss poor leadership nothing good is going to come of any venture you attempt to make.

My bad.. they won the 2000 Big East basketball title... I knew they had won something by surprise around then!

(02-04-2012 09:29 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  I have honestly yet to find a Clemson fan that thinks this is a good idea. I have only found a few that even have a neutral opinion. The vast majority are upset because they know that we are essentially trading an assured sellout each year from a high profile OOC game for an additional game against a conference team that will not travel.

This is a prime example as to why the ACC sucks in football. The rot starts at the top. When you have piss poor leadership nothing good is going to come of any venture you attempt to make.

Syracuse fans travel. Besides there are many SU fans that live in the Carolina's. I know many SU fans are excited to visit Death Valley and Doak Campbell. We are one of the better traveling fan bases in the Big East.

We had just as many fans in NYC for the Pinstripe Bowl last year, as Rutgers did this year. Plus SU fans had to deal with a snow storm. There's always many SU fans at USF games, which is the only southern team in the Big East. Not many SU fans live out in Cinci and Louisville, we still travel fairly well to those games however.

I think you'll be surprised about our fan base. We'll travel much better than BC and Wake Forest. The only other two private schools in the Atlantic.