(01-27-2012 11:13 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 10:23 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The sad thing is we saw the SAME THING with the soccer field. The materials to build it sat in the parking lot rotting for three years before it was finally done. And the softball field? How's that state of the art pressbox coming along?
I had talked to a friend of mine who knows someone working on the field/ordering materials, etc... a couple of months back when the first article came out talking about it being ready. They said NO WAY IN HELL it's ready to go this season. Funny thing is we hear all these excuses from athletics, weather, the rock, etc...

maybe if the fellow saying "no way in hell" would stop talking to your friends and get to work we could play some baseball there one day...

Even by your standards, that's weak.

(01-27-2012 11:13 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 10:23 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The sad thing is we saw the SAME THING with the soccer field. The materials to build it sat in the parking lot rotting for three years before it was finally done. And the softball field? How's that state of the art pressbox coming along?
I had talked to a friend of mine who knows someone working on the field/ordering materials, etc... a couple of months back when the first article came out talking about it being ready. They said NO WAY IN HELL it's ready to go this season. Funny thing is we hear all these excuses from athletics, weather, the rock, etc...

maybe if the fellow saying "no way in hell" would stop talking to your friends and get to work we could play some baseball there one day...

Thats the best you got? Yeah I am sure the guy is supposed to work 24/7 and never talk to anyone. Weak, very weak.

(01-27-2012 11:59 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 11:13 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 10:23 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The sad thing is we saw the SAME THING with the soccer field. The materials to build it sat in the parking lot rotting for three years before it was finally done. And the softball field? How's that state of the art pressbox coming along?
I had talked to a friend of mine who knows someone working on the field/ordering materials, etc... a couple of months back when the first article came out talking about it being ready. They said NO WAY IN HELL it's ready to go this season. Funny thing is we hear all these excuses from athletics, weather, the rock, etc...

maybe if the fellow saying "no way in hell" would stop talking to your friends and get to work we could play some baseball there one day...

Thats the best you got? Yeah I am sure the guy is supposed to work 24/7 and never talk to anyone. Weak, very weak.

it was a joke ladies...come in off the ledge.

So we now have two presumtous posters who have no sense of humor and wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the ass.

(01-27-2012 11:10 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Just a question, who do you guys think does the construction for university projects?

Who?

(01-27-2012 02:19 PM)Buc81 Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 11:10 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Just a question, who do you guys think does the construction for university projects?

Who?

I don't know, who got the bid?

The University can't do construction on that level, they have people who can paint a room or fix a door, but this is construction.

So, I'm asking, who was the lowest bidder, who got the bid?

It doesn't matter who got the bid. Funny thing about construction companies is they don't do work without cash in hand.

J.E. Green Company...

(01-27-2012 03:07 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  It doesn't matter who got the bid. Funny thing about construction companies is they don't do work without cash in hand.

So you are saying they haven't been paid, well if that is the case, I don't blame them for being behind.

(01-27-2012 03:08 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  J.E. Green Company...

This company? They need a website, if this is their website I can see a problem. I never have like the idea that you have to take the lowest bidder.

No problem, it'll be ready:

http://www.etsubucs.com/baseball/news/20...-practice/

Yes, and it sounds like it will be "standing room only".

Materials aren't free chief, and unless UNICEF got into the construction business I'm not aware of many construction companies that will do a multi-million dollar project for anybody and just send them the bill.

(01-28-2012 04:14 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Materials aren't free chief, and unless UNICEF got into the construction business I'm not aware of many construction companies that will do a multi-million dollar project for anybody and just send them the bill.

HOW!

So, they haven't been paid? I'm assuming if this has been going on for any amount of time there would be lawsuits.

They got the bid on it, ETSU wrote a check to start the project, they just didn't write the check to finish it. You have to have the $$$ before you can write the check, they simply didn't have ALL of it in hand to get the materials ordered to finish the job. The rebar was ordered late and didn't come in until sometime this past fall.
It's really not much different from the soccer disaster. They just used the excuse of there being a mix up with the paperwork and the way they bid the job out.
I guess in short, the point I'm trying to make is there's ALWAYS an excuse. Always a reason why the job either doesn't get done on time, or done the right way. It's not just Stanton/Mullins, it goes back to the construction of the dome, and the dorm where the rooms weren't built the right size so the beds were too short, somebody left and the paperwork wasn't right, or whatever. I'm SICK AND F*$KING tired of hearing excuses. They either need to get it right or get the f!ck out. The list of screwups is getting ridiculous.

That darn ol' East Tennessee weather.

I'm upset for several reasons.

First of all, let's face it, softball stadiums, soccer fields, etc. are not pressing needs in the Tri-Cities community. A new arena, not just for ETSU basketball but for the community, should be forefront on everyone's mind to make the area more cosmopolitan.

Softball could have continued on at Kiwanis. Soccer could have played at wherever- a cow pasture perhaps. The idea to build these minor sports their venues before a new arena speaks of a dire need for ETSU to watch a screening of Star Trek II in order to realize "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." To be honest, to continue a city-school partnership by having the softball team play at Kiwanis might have been beneficial in the long run.

And what's the worst that could happen with softball at Kiwanis? They can't recruit? They were 15-30 something last year at their new yard. They would not be able to sell $5 tickets to the 20 parents and boyfriends who attend those games. That's all that would have happened.

The problem is either that Mullins and Stanton decided to guide the athletic department almost like a charity case and to give softball or whatever priority ahead of basketball (and clearly football), Mullins had the agenda as an old tennis coach to put sports like that ahead of sports with a fan base, or they were tremendously small minded and felt they could never raise the amount of money needed to build a new arena. You look at the Minidome, and how it is just despised by the locals, and why it wouldn't be priority No. 1 to replace speaks of incompetence.

It now looks like they are going to half-ass the baseball park. This was supposed to be a place with residences that people would buy/rent to take advantage of going to the baseball games or viewing them from their windows. This was supposed to be a place that would develop all sorts of businesses around.

I had hoped it would be a place that could have attracted a larger minor league team- such as a A or AA team- to the area. I had hoped that a true baseball event experience that has never been seen before in Johnson City would come about, leading to renewed interest in the sport and ETSU baseball like never before.

I had hoped it would have been a jewel.

Now, the first reports are that it's going to be another half-ass project. While Cardinal Park crumbles, the reports are this new yard can't even be a tenant for professional baseball. Why, then, would it be the sort of yard that could attract recruits?

You know, I can handle a soccer stadium not getting lights for three years because at the end of the day, what does it matter? But if the baseball park isn't capable of truly moving the program ahead or hosting minor league games, then the Mullins/Stanton legacy will truly have negative ramifications for ETSU athletics and Johnson City for generations.

(01-29-2012 07:47 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  I'm upset for several reasons.

Softball could have continued on at Kiwanis. Soccer could have played at wherever- a cow pasture perhaps. The idea to build these minor sports their venues before a new arena speaks of a dire need for ETSU to watch a screening of Star Trek II in order to realize "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." To be honest, to continue a city-school partnership by having the softball team play at Kiwanis might have been beneficial in the long run.

And what's the worst that could happen with softball at Kiwanis? They can't recruit? They were 15-30 something last year at their new yard. They would not be able to sell $5 tickets to the 20 parents and boyfriends who attend those games. That's all that would have happened.

There is no longer a softball field at Kwanis.

Naturally. There's no need for it now.

(01-29-2012 07:47 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  I'm upset for several reasons.

First of all, let's face it, softball stadiums, soccer fields, etc. are not pressing needs in the Tri-Cities community. A new arena, not just for ETSU basketball but for the community, should be forefront on everyone's mind to make the area more cosmopolitan.

Softball could have continued on at Kiwanis. Soccer could have played at wherever- a cow pasture perhaps. The idea to build these minor sports their venues before a new arena speaks of a dire need for ETSU to watch a screening of Star Trek II in order to realize "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." To be honest, to continue a city-school partnership by having the softball team play at Kiwanis might have been beneficial in the long run.

And what's the worst that could happen with softball at Kiwanis? They can't recruit? They were 15-30 something last year at their new yard. They would not be able to sell $5 tickets to the 20 parents and boyfriends who attend those games. That's all that would have happened.

The problem is either that Mullins and Stanton decided to guide the athletic department almost like a charity case and to give softball or whatever priority ahead of basketball (and clearly football), Mullins had the agenda as an old tennis coach to put sports like that ahead of sports with a fan base, or they were tremendously small minded and felt they could never raise the amount of money needed to build a new arena. You look at the Minidome, and how it is just despised by the locals, and why it wouldn't be priority No. 1 to replace speaks of incompetence.

It now looks like they are going to half-ass the baseball park. This was supposed to be a place with residences that people would buy/rent to take advantage of going to the baseball games or viewing them from their windows. This was supposed to be a place that would develop all sorts of businesses around.

I had hoped it would be a place that could have attracted a larger minor league team- such as a A or AA team- to the area. I had hoped that a true baseball event experience that has never been seen before in Johnson City would come about, leading to renewed interest in the sport and ETSU baseball like never before.

I had hoped it would have been a jewel.

Now, the first reports are that it's going to be another half-ass project. While Cardinal Park crumbles, the reports are this new yard can't even be a tenant for professional baseball. Why, then, would it be the sort of yard that could attract recruits?

You know, I can handle a soccer stadium not getting lights for three years because at the end of the day, what does it matter? But if the baseball park isn't capable of truly moving the program ahead or hosting minor league games, then the Mullins/Stanton legacy will truly have negative ramifications for ETSU athletics and Johnson City for generations.

Exactly. Stanton appointed Mullins because he did not want to be bothered by athletics anymore. As for Stanton's career path, he would have been better off at a D-III school. As for Mullins, he is a D-III athletic director. As for ETSU athletics, the consequences has resulted in a direct hit. AS for Noland, he faces some real decisions regarding athletics. There's no way he can look at the bottom line ($11 million a year) and not have some significant questions and legitimate concerns. He's now the boss. What's he gonna do about ETSU athletics as part of all the issues facing ETSU? What he does about this athletic farce could well go a long way in displaying his leadership skills at problem solving and goals accomplishment for the overall university.