This is a perfect example of what could happen all across the internet if Soaper and Peeper are passed by those corrupt crooks in Washington. I have never used either of these websites, but it is clear that illegal downloads are not the only things they are good for, so it seems that better due process should be warranted.
This approach, as someone in the comments section of another website put it, is like shutting down Holiday Inn because some guests in a couple of rooms decided to do drugs. Is the hotel actually responsible, and should it go out of business, because a couple of customers broke the law in rooms on the company's property?
(01-19-2012 07:40 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote: This is a perfect example of what could happen all across the internet if Soaper and Peeper are passed by those corrupt crooks in Washington. I have never used either of these websites, but it is clear that illegal downloads are not the only things they are good for, so it seems that better due process should be warranted.
This approach, as someone in the comments section of another website put it, is like shutting down Holiday Inn because some guests in a couple of rooms decided to do drugs. Is the hotel actually responsible, and should it go out of business, because a couple of customers broke the law in rooms on the company's property?
What you say is true, but bars and clubs are often shut down as a public nuisance when there is an unreasonable amount of crime. That's most likely what the Feds are going for here.
(01-19-2012 05:34 PM)Dak10 Wrote: Supposedly Anonymous attacked DOJ's website and Universal Music's website in response to Mega Upload being taken down. Haven't checked since I'm at work.
y'all can bleat on about how the government overstepped its bounds and go on about how the internet should be free and these sites shouldn't be held responsible for what other people were uploading and downloading on their servers; but the people behind megaupload were criminal and just plain evil: http://gizmodo.com/5877836/why-did-the-f...nd-why-now
(01-19-2012 04:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: I love both of those sites, especially megavideo, but I can't say I blame the Feds. What did I use those sites for? Downloading music and watching bootlegged streams of shows and movies.
So you won't mind being dragged into federal court when your ip information is turned over to the Feds as part of a plea deal, which gets them off the hook, but hooks you for thousands in legal fees, fines or settlements.
(01-19-2012 04:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: I love both of those sites, especially megavideo, but I can't say I blame the Feds. What did I use those sites for? Downloading music and watching bootlegged streams of shows and movies.
So you won't mind being dragged into federal court when your ip information is turned over to the Feds as part of a plea deal, which gets them off the hook, but hooks you for thousands in legal fees, fines or settlements.
I haven't seen any suits against those who download. Only those who host and upload.
(I understand it is still illegal, but much harder to convict)
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2012 01:48 AM by RaiderATO.)
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(01-19-2012 04:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: I love both of those sites, especially megavideo, but I can't say I blame the Feds. What did I use those sites for? Downloading music and watching bootlegged streams of shows and movies.
So you won't mind being dragged into federal court when your ip information is turned over to the Feds as part of a plea deal, which gets them off the hook, but hooks you for thousands in legal fees, fines or settlements.
I haven't seen any suits against those who download. Only those who host and upload.
(I understand it is still illegal, but much harder to convict)
The purpose is to extort settlement (usally 3-5k) money in lew of a federal lawsuit. A conviction is not the object. You see the scumbag lawyers have it all worked out. Thousands of ip address, hundreds of letters, hundreds of thousands in settlement money. Until the judges figure out the court system is being abused.
(01-19-2012 04:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: I love both of those sites, especially megavideo, but I can't say I blame the Feds. What did I use those sites for? Downloading music and watching bootlegged streams of shows and movies.
So you won't mind being dragged into federal court when your ip information is turned over to the Feds as part of a plea deal, which gets them off the hook, but hooks you for thousands in legal fees, fines or settlements.
I haven't seen any suits against those who download. Only those who host and upload.
(I understand it is still illegal, but much harder to convict)
The purpose is to extort settlement (usally 3-5k) money in lew of a federal lawsuit. A conviction is not the object. You see the scumbag lawyers have it all worked out. Thousands of ip address, hundreds of letters, hundreds of thousands in settlement money. Until the judges figure out the court system is being abused.
The RIAA stopped pursuing these suits once they lost the PR battle. The MPAA won't fare any better, and they know this.
However, movies aren't as individualized as music, so their "clients" (musicians vs. production houses/actors/etc.) won't rise up against them in support of the citizenry.
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2012 03:00 AM by RaiderATO.)
What I don't get is why there are so many that believe that stealing is perfectly fine. One thing i seem to notice is that it tends t be Ron Paul supporters who support this stealing, Must be something in that Ayn Rand greed thing.
(01-21-2012 09:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: What I don't get is why there are so many that believe that stealing is perfectly fine. One thing i seem to notice is that it tends t be Ron Paul supporters who support this stealing, Must be something in that Ayn Rand greed thing.
Too bad you don't apply that same line of questioning to your Socialist ideals. I guess stealing from others is OK when it comes to pushing your Marxist agenda.
There are plenty of legal tools already available to shut down stealing. Obviously, the feds don't need another law to shut down MegaVideo and MegaUpload. So why give them one that they can misuse to do things that were never intended?
Kind of like on 9/12 we were shown photos of the 19 guys who did the 9/11 hijackings. If that much was known about them, there was plenty of reason to have shut down the hijackings before they occurred. Without the wretched excesses of the patRIOT act.
(This post was last modified: 01-21-2012 11:11 AM by Owl 69/70/75.)
(01-19-2012 04:25 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: I love both of those sites, especially megavideo, but I can't say I blame the Feds. What did I use those sites for? Downloading music and watching bootlegged streams of shows and movies.
So you won't mind being dragged into federal court when your ip information is turned over to the Feds as part of a plea deal, which gets them off the hook, but hooks you for thousands in legal fees, fines or settlements.
of course i'd mind, but that shouldn't matter. why should I be let off the hook for breaking the law?
(01-21-2012 09:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: What I don't get is why there are so many that believe that stealing is perfectly fine. One thing i seem to notice is that it tends t be Ron Paul supporters who support this stealing, Must be something in that Ayn Rand greed thing.
Actually, RobertN, you are incorrect but your point out a dividing line on an issue: intellectual property.
Objectivists, followers of Rand, believe in intellectual property and the right to defend ownership. For them, it is stealing to copy something to share without paying the owner.
Many libertarians do not agree that a copy of something or sharing is stealing.
Let's complicate this argument further and add Neil Gaiman to our argument.
(This post was last modified: 01-22-2012 08:15 AM by chess.)
The answer to "stealing" is really much more simple to solve.
Why steam movies when you can get Nexflix for $9 a month or go to Redbox for $1 a night?
I have a Kindle app on my computer. I read a number of books. Amazon and Apple are battling it out with book publishers. They are arguing that their prices are too high and they would sell more books by lowering the price.
Kindle and Nook have already made deals with libraries. Amazon has their own library. You can get books for free.
Google books almost had an entire library of books on the web for free.
Google video almost had an entire library of movies on the web for free.
Have you checked Youtube? I watch a number of programs and documentaries for free.
Apple was correct with music. I purchase more music today because of iTunes. I have a subscription to iTunes Match, too. Sure, I use Spotify and Pandora, too.
Check out the ways Samsung and Apple hammer away with each other when they compete. It is usually over IP.
I don't think the IP issue is clean to argue at this point.
(This post was last modified: 01-22-2012 08:31 AM by chess.)
(01-22-2012 08:30 AM)chess Wrote: The answer to "stealing" is really much more simple to solve.
Why steam movies when you can get Nexflix for $9 a month or go to Redbox for $1 a night?
I have a Kindle app on my computer. I read a number of books. Amazon and Apple are battling it out with book publishers. They are arguing that their prices are too high and they would sell more books by lowering the price.
Kindle and Nook have already made deals with libraries. Amazon has their own library. You can get books for free.
Google books almost had an entire library of books on the web for free.
Google video almost had an entire library of movies on the web for free.
Have you checked Youtube? I watch a number of programs and documentaries for free.
Apple was correct with music. I purchase more music today because of iTunes. I have a subscription to iTunes Match, too. Sure, I use Spotify and Pandora, too.
Check out the ways Samsung and Apple hammer away with each other when they compete. It is usually over IP.
I don't think the IP issue is clean to argue at this point.
As usual both extremes screw thigs up..
It's not stealing to convert my VHS to DVD. It's also not stealing to copy a song off the radio. The MPA/RIAA. however, want to make that 'theft'
It *IS* stealing to go out and copy music from a buddy but the 'information is free' people want that to be ok.
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