... The take away I have, is I hope Mick gets this team to adjust to what's happening in the game a little better and that we come out mad as hell and seal club a Melo-less Syracuse team. I don't even want it to be close.

(01-21-2012 06:49 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:02 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 05:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 05:30 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  hit the road prick. whether or not youre being a friendly big east fan, you think anybody wants to see that garbage right now?

No need for that. Bit has always been a good opposing fan here. He has more time and respect here than you and I have no problem pulling out a quick banning for attacks like that.

i apologize bitcruncher. my nose picked up a faint whiff of a passive pat on the back.

My intentions can be difficult to smell out at times. Your's isn't the first nose to smell it differently than intended...

Bit is a good guy and one of the main posters on the Big East General board.
He is welcome over here anytime.

If wvu lost bit would not be posting on this board, he was here simply to gloat. His post was garbage, much like most of his posts

(01-21-2012 07:19 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Oh and I was thinking about this, I feel like every year in Big East play WVU wins some bull sh!t game like this...I effin hate playing in that dump

the way the refs were officiating, i was sort of expecting them to keep resetting the clock and giving WVU some more shots if needed. I feel it should have been a technical foul anyways. uc Should have had the opportunity to won it at the line. Maybe they still wouldnt have went in but at least should have been given the chance.
I'm proud of the bearcats. They played hard and WVU had to pull a rabbit out of a hat to beat them on their own fully packed house.

(01-21-2012 07:23 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm not sure which way the possession arrow was indicating. But the official clock stops when they call a jump ball. Either team can call a TO when the clock is stopped in that situation in my understanding. And WVU was clearly calling for a TO.

Could be. In terms of fairness and accuracy, clearly WVU signaled for a TO while official (and scoreboard) time still existed. But as I admit, I don't know the exact rule for what they can and can't do upon review.

Stopping the clock incorrectly clearly confused matters, but I'm not sure it should change anything. From previous situations, I think the point of review is to recreate the situation as if the clock snafu never occurred. Either way, unless I don't understand the time-out rule correctly, the officials blew it.

They didn't call a jump ball until well after time would have expired. They basically waited around for a few seconds and the referee at the top of the screen came running in to call it a jump ball. Had the clock kept going, it would have ran out before he did anything.

You can't get a timeout unless you have clear possession. For instance, all five WVU players could have been screaming and signaling timeout as Dixon was driving the ball to the basket. The referees would have ignored it. Had Bryant had possession and Jones signaled (and was granted) for a timeout, THEN it would have been a technical foul.

Edit: Possession arrow pointed to WVU.

(01-21-2012 07:26 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:49 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:02 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 05:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  No need for that. Bit has always been a good opposing fan here. He has more time and respect here than you and I have no problem pulling out a quick banning for attacks like that.

i apologize bitcruncher. my nose picked up a faint whiff of a passive pat on the back.

My intentions can be difficult to smell out at times. Your's isn't the first nose to smell it differently than intended...

Bit is a good guy and one of the main posters on the Big East General board.
He is welcome over here anytime.

If wvu lost bit would not be posting on this board, he was here simply to gloat. His post was garbage, much like most of his posts

He posted prior to the game, and his post after the game was not garbage.
Please document what you call garbage.

(01-21-2012 07:26 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  If wvu lost bit would not be posting on this board, he was here simply to gloat. His post was garbage, much like most of his posts

He was here while WVU was losing. Relax, he didn't do anything wrong.

(01-21-2012 06:42 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:02 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 05:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 05:30 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  hit the road prick. whether or not youre being a friendly big east fan, you think anybody wants to see that garbage right now?

No need for that. Bit has always been a good opposing fan here. He has more time and respect here than you and I have no problem pulling out a quick banning for attacks like that.

i apologize bitcruncher. my nose picked up a faint whiff of a passive pat on the back.

My intentions can be difficult to smell out at times. Your's isn't the first nose to smell it differently than intended...

i just know if i was a fan fresh off a buzzer-beater win the last thing on my mind would be the other teams fans. more power to u.

But you forget that I'm an old fart. I've been on the short end of too many of these kinds of games...

shocknawe, had WVU lost, I'd have congratulated you guys. I've done it before, which you should remember if your memory isn't totally shot...

(01-21-2012 07:34 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 07:23 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm not sure which way the possession arrow was indicating. But the official clock stops when they call a jump ball. Either team can call a TO when the clock is stopped in that situation in my understanding. And WVU was clearly calling for a TO.

Could be. In terms of fairness and accuracy, clearly WVU signaled for a TO while official (and scoreboard) time still existed. But as I admit, I don't know the exact rule for what they can and can't do upon review.

Stopping the clock incorrectly clearly confused matters, but I'm not sure it should change anything. From previous situations, I think the point of review is to recreate the situation as if the clock snafu never occurred. Either way, unless I don't understand the time-out rule correctly, the officials blew it.

They didn't call a jump ball until well after time would have expired. They basically waited around for a few seconds and the referee at the top of the screen came running in to call it a jump ball. Had the clock kept going, it would have ran out before he did anything.

You can't get a timeout unless you have clear possession. For instance, all five WVU players could have been screaming and signaling timeout as Dixon was driving the ball to the basket. The referees would have ignored it. Had Bryant had possession and Jones signaled (and was granted) for a timeout, THEN it would have been a technical foul.

Bryant clearly had possession when Jones was calling for the TO, the question was how much time would be left, and that is something you'd have to re-watch with a stop watch.

(01-21-2012 07:38 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Bryant clearly had possession when Jones was calling for the TO, the question was how much time would be left, and that is something you'd have to re-watch with a stop watch.

You have to go by the call of a jump ball by the incoming official. You can't retroactively change the call on the floor like that, say Bryant got possession and then give Jones a T on replay. They determined time would have expired by the time the referee stopped the play, so off to OT they go. I'm probably just not doing a good job explaining why I think they got it right in sending it to OT. Sorry about that.

Lay off Bit, he hovers around this place quite a b.. often!
Besides, he said good game... Not that it really matters, since nobody here played in it, but it wasn't in bad taste. Sheesh, some people are about as gracious as a rabid Pit.

(01-21-2012 07:45 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 07:38 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Bryant clearly had possession when Jones was calling for the TO, the question was how much time would be left, and that is something you'd have to re-watch with a stop watch.

You have to go by the call of a jump ball by the incoming official. You can't retroactively change the call on the floor like that, say Bryant got possession and then give Jones a T on replay. They determined time would have expired by the time the referee stopped the play, so off to OT they go. I'm probably just not doing a good job explaining why I think they got it right in sending it to OT. Sorry about that.

They made the correct call on the review. The mistake was during live action. I was saying if you wanted to check that on your own, you'd need a stop watch.

(01-21-2012 07:34 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 07:23 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I'm not sure which way the possession arrow was indicating. But the official clock stops when they call a jump ball. Either team can call a TO when the clock is stopped in that situation in my understanding. And WVU was clearly calling for a TO.

Could be. In terms of fairness and accuracy, clearly WVU signaled for a TO while official (and scoreboard) time still existed. But as I admit, I don't know the exact rule for what they can and can't do upon review.

Stopping the clock incorrectly clearly confused matters, but I'm not sure it should change anything. From previous situations, I think the point of review is to recreate the situation as if the clock snafu never occurred. Either way, unless I don't understand the time-out rule correctly, the officials blew it.

They didn't call a jump ball until well after time would have expired.

Yes and that's the clear original error right? After the loose ball, a WVU player was the first one there:
1. Either he kept possession and thus WVU should have gotten a T for calling for a timeout with time still on both the correct and incorrect clocks. (which per my memory would be a bad call since I thought his exclusive possession was very brief; but better than calling nothing for 3-4 seconds) OR
2. Call it a tie-up which stops the clock. I believe anyone can call a TO then if they have it. WVU didn't and should have gotten a T then for trying it. But suppose I'm wrong. Then per the arrow per your post, possession to WVU. They tried to call a TO they didn't have during their possession, so they get a T.

I don't see how anyone can argue that "no-call" was the right call for the last 3ish seconds of the game. There's no scenario that is consistent with that call. In other words, do we all agree the officials blew the live action call?

I agree that a no call at the end was horrible. They took way too long to make a decision. It was like they were just anticipating the final buzzer, but when it didn't come because of the clock error they finally decided to call a jump ball.

Geez people... ALL we needed to do was guard a THREE-FREAKING-POINTER! In my mind, the officiating failure to call the T is secondary. It SHOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED!!

Two games in a row! Simple probability dictated it would bite us in the a$$ one of the two times.

(01-21-2012 08:08 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Yes and that's the clear original error right? Either call it:
1. a WVU possession and thus a T for calling for a timeout with time still on both the correct and incorrect clocks. (which would be a bad call but better than calling nothing for 3-4 seconds) OR
2. Call it a tie-up which stops the clock. I believe anyone can call a TO then if they have it. WVU didn't and should have gotten a T then for trying it. But suppose I'm wrong. Then per the arrow per your post, possession to WVU. They tried to call a TO they didn't have during their possession, so they get a T.

I don't see how anyone can argue that "no-call" was the right call for the last 3+ seconds of the game. There's no scenario that is consistent with that call.

Can we agree on that first off?[/quote]

1. If they deemed WVU had possession and granted him a timeout, yes, that would have been a technical.

2. If neither guy has possession of the ball, as is the case when a jump ball is called, timeouts can't be granted. The tie-up doesn't stop the clock until the official stops it with the whistle. In this case, the officials stood around and let them fight for the ball, the clock operator inadvertently stopped the clock, and a few seconds later the official at the top of the screen comes running in to call it a jump ball. So, the officials determined by replay that time would have expired prior to the referee calling a jump ball. The timeout could not have come into play for this scenario.

I'm not saying they should not have called anything sooner, I'm just going by what happened on the floor.

(01-21-2012 08:11 PM)subflea Wrote:  It was like they were just anticipating the final buzzer, but when it didn't come because of the clock error they finally decided to call a jump ball.

Yep, that's exactly what they were doing.

(01-21-2012 08:17 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Geez people... ALL we needed to do was guard a THREE-FREAKING-POINTER! In my mind, the officiating failure to call the T is secondary. It SHOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED!!

Two games in a row! Simple probability dictated it would bite us in the a$$ one of the two times.

If they did that, Cincinnati would be tied for 1st place right now with a chance for sole possession on Monday. Oh well, sh!t happens.

(01-21-2012 08:18 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 08:08 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Yes and that's the clear original error right? Either call it:
1. a WVU possession and thus a T for calling for a timeout with time still on both the correct and incorrect clocks. (which would be a bad call but better than calling nothing for 3-4 seconds) OR
2. Call it a tie-up which stops the clock. I believe anyone can call a TO then if they have it. WVU didn't and should have gotten a T then for trying it. But suppose I'm wrong. Then per the arrow per your post, possession to WVU. They tried to call a TO they didn't have during their possession, so they get a T.

I don't see how anyone can argue that "no-call" was the right call for the last 3+ seconds of the game. There's no scenario that is consistent with that call. Can we agree on that first off?

1. If they deemed WVU had possession and granted him a timeout, yes, that would have been a technical.

2. If neither guy has possession of the ball, as is the case when a jump ball is called, timeouts can't be granted. The tie-up doesn't stop the clock until the official stops it with the whistle. In this case, the officials stood around and let them fight for the ball, the clock operator inadvertently stopped the clock, and a few seconds later the official at the top of the screen comes running in to call it a jump ball. So, the officials determined by replay that time would have expired prior to the referee calling a jump ball. The timeout could not have come into play for this scenario.

I'm not saying they should not have called anything sooner, I'm just going by what happened on the floor.

If you are "not saying they should not have called anything sooner", then are you saying "they should have called something sooner"? If so, that's our point; that's the real-time screwup by the officials to UC's detriment. What are we not aligned on here with regard to the real-time issue?

(01-21-2012 07:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:42 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:02 PM)sauceagedFine Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 05:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  No need for that. Bit has always been a good opposing fan here. He has more time and respect here than you and I have no problem pulling out a quick banning for attacks like that.

i apologize bitcruncher. my nose picked up a faint whiff of a passive pat on the back.

My intentions can be difficult to smell out at times. Your's isn't the first nose to smell it differently than intended...

i just know if i was a fan fresh off a buzzer-beater win the last thing on my mind would be the other teams fans. more power to u.

But you forget that I'm an old fart. I've been on the short end of too many of these kinds of games...

shocknawe, had WVU lost, I'd have congratulated you guys. I've done it before, which you should remember if your memory isn't totally shot...

Hey bit , I call bs. After the cuse beat wv in football u couldnt be found with a search party. U talked smack and then were Mia after the loss

(01-21-2012 08:32 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  If you are NOT saying "they should not have called anything sooner", are you saying "they should have called something sooner"? If so, that's our point; that's the real-time screwup by the officials. What are we not aligned on here?

Honestly, I'm not sure where we are right now.

Had they called a jump ball sooner (before the clock would've expired), WVU would have gotten the ball per the possession arrow. A technical foul would not have been applicable under that scenario because Jones' call for a timeout couldn't be accepted by the official.

Edit: They should have called the jump ball sooner if that was their call, they just figured they'd let time expire. When the horn didn't come, they had to stop it.