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RE: UC 110 in RPI
There's been rumors around here about UC playing in Vegas next year with UNLV, Oregon, and another BCS school, anyone know when they're planning to announce? One tourney though won't be good enough, we still need to avoid 250+ teams at all costs. I have no problem with a steady diet of 100 to 200 RPI teams.
 
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(01-15-2012 06:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  11-7 and I don't care if the RPI is over 100. Lead pipe lock. Only question would be the seed.

I totally agree with you, rath. Our conference schedule is strength enough to turn the heads of the NCAA committee and when we finish in top 4, they can't help but seed us good. I love putting the heat on the NCAA Committee. Especially after that botched up mess in 2000.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 12:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  3rd Wise Man- absolutely spot on with your analysis. Our non-conference scheduling in terms of setting us up in the best possible way to make the tournament and earn as high a seed as possible, has been somewhere between God awful and horrendous. Does not take away any of the enjoyment I have watching the Bearcats play right now, but we have not done ourselves any favors. I hope we figure this out, before it comes back to bite us in the ass. It killed Bama last year and they have already made the adjustments to build an out of conference schedule that can get help them if they are on the edge.

I hear the comment all the time that when you play in the Big East you don't want to play a "brutal nonconference schedule." Nobody is suggesting we do that. People are suggesting we schedule with a tiny bit of intelligence and get some teams that are not going to be 20,000 pound anchors on our SOS.

Good news if UC keeps winning 80% of our Big East games, all it may cost us is a seed line or two. We'll still be dancing.

Did Bama defeat a Top 10 RPI team on the road and a Top 20 RPI team on the road?

That is my point and why Bama was a bubble team. Again if we achieve in an incredibly high level in conference play, like we are now, our non-conference schedule is only going to cost us a seed line or two. (which matters as well) I want us to correct how we schedule in the non-conference so that it cannot seriously harm us down the line.

If we continue to win games like we are we'll not only make the tournament but we will be a high seed as well. That does not change the fact that our non-conference schedule puts us at risk, it just means that the team excelled at a level that overcame the risk.
 
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RE: UC 110 in RPI
(01-19-2012 01:28 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Factor 1. Division I Winning Percentage -- 25 percent of the RPI

Factor 2. Opponent Strength of Schedule -- 50 percent of the RPI

Factor 3. Opponents’ Opponent Strength of Schedule -- 25 percent of the RPI

Is that correct? If that's correct then it makes no difference the quality of your opponents, only that your opponents play a good schedule. Who your opponents play (not who they beat or their winning percentage) accounts for 50% of your RPI.
 
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RE: UC 110 in RPI
(01-19-2012 01:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 01:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 12:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  3rd Wise Man- absolutely spot on with your analysis. Our non-conference scheduling in terms of setting us up in the best possible way to make the tournament and earn as high a seed as possible, has been somewhere between God awful and horrendous. Does not take away any of the enjoyment I have watching the Bearcats play right now, but we have not done ourselves any favors. I hope we figure this out, before it comes back to bite us in the ass. It killed Bama last year and they have already made the adjustments to build an out of conference schedule that can get help them if they are on the edge.

I hear the comment all the time that when you play in the Big East you don't want to play a "brutal nonconference schedule." Nobody is suggesting we do that. People are suggesting we schedule with a tiny bit of intelligence and get some teams that are not going to be 20,000 pound anchors on our SOS.

Good news if UC keeps winning 80% of our Big East games, all it may cost us is a seed line or two. We'll still be dancing.

Did Bama defeat a Top 10 RPI team on the road and a Top 20 RPI team on the road?

That is my point and why Bama was a bubble team. Again if we achieve in an incredibly high level in conference play, like we are now, our non-conference schedule is only going to cost us a seed line or two. (which matters as well) I want us to correct how we schedule in the non-conference so that it cannot seriously harm us down the line.

If we continue to win games like we are we'll not only make the tournament but we will be a high seed as well. That does not change the fact that our non-conference schedule puts us at risk, it just means that the team excelled at a level that overcame the risk.

I agree our OOC schedule has been poor. We both know that some of those reasons include the Vegas tournament issue, our broke athletic department, and the Illini's new problem. Let's see how next year's schedule looks under Whit's supervision.
 
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If we're at the highest a 5 seed, we should be set to make it past the first game.
I don't like that 6th spot, last year, we were the only 6 seed to win a game.
I'd rather play a 12th seed play in team, who has no business being there; than the 11th seed team, who just hit a slump and may come out of it.
 
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How many teams are going to end up with one road win against the the RPI top 15, let alone two? I'm tired of hearing about the brawl, but at the same time it's really driving home the fact that this is a completely different team and I think the committee will take notice.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:35 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 01:28 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Factor 1. Division I Winning Percentage -- 25 percent of the RPI

Factor 2. Opponent Strength of Schedule -- 50 percent of the RPI

Factor 3. Opponents’ Opponent Strength of Schedule -- 25 percent of the RPI

Is that correct? If that's correct then it makes no difference the quality of your opponents, only that your opponents play a good schedule. Who your opponents play (not who they beat or their winning percentage) accounts for 50% of your RPI.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...nships/RPI
 
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(01-19-2012 01:30 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  There's been rumors around here about UC playing in Vegas next year with UNLV, Oregon, and another BCS school, anyone know when they're planning to announce? One tourney though won't be good enough, we still need to avoid 250+ teams at all costs. I have no problem with a steady diet of 100 to 200 RPI teams.

Agree. But I hate this system. What difference is there really between a team rated 180 and one rated 250? Both generally suck. One just might cost more. Not sure why one 20 point win over a cupcake should count more than another because that one plays a crappier schedule. Just my $.02.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:41 PM)Butterfly Wrote:  If we're at the highest a 5 seed, we should be set to make it past the first game.
I don't like that 6th spot, last year, we were the only 6 seed to win a game.
I'd rather play a 12th seed play in team, who has no business being there; than the 11th seed team, who just hit a slump and may come out of it.

People get hung up on the fact that 12's have had a good amount of success against 5 seeds, but never really think about that 11's have had just as much success against 6 seeds. 12/5 gets more talk because it is a "bigger" upset, and it is the biggest upset that happens on a regular basis. Going from 13/4 on down it just happens far less.

Of course I think UC can play their way up to the 2/3 line. So that is what I am rooting for.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:44 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 01:41 PM)Butterfly Wrote:  If we're at the highest a 5 seed, we should be set to make it past the first game.
I don't like that 6th spot, last year, we were the only 6 seed to win a game.
I'd rather play a 12th seed play in team, who has no business being there; than the 11th seed team, who just hit a slump and may come out of it.

People get hung up on the fact that 12's have had a good amount of success against 5 seeds, but never really think about that 11's have had just as much success against 6 seeds. 12/5 gets more talk because it is a "bigger" upset, and it is the biggest upset that happens on a regular basis. Going from 13/4 on down it just happens far less.

Of course I think UC can play their way up to the 2/3 line. So that is what I am rooting for.

I prefer to win out and get a 1 seed, 03-lmfao
 
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(01-19-2012 01:42 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 01:30 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  There's been rumors around here about UC playing in Vegas next year with UNLV, Oregon, and another BCS school, anyone know when they're planning to announce? One tourney though won't be good enough, we still need to avoid 250+ teams at all costs. I have no problem with a steady diet of 100 to 200 RPI teams.

Agree. But I hate this system. What difference is there really between a team rated 180 and one rated 250? Both generally suck. One just might cost more. Not sure why one 20 point win over a small school cupcake should count more than another. Just my $.02.

Exactly!

It's ridiculous that scheduling and beating "better" cupcakes has that much influence, but unfortunately that's the RPI game that needs to be played.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:45 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 01:42 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 01:30 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  There's been rumors around here about UC playing in Vegas next year with UNLV, Oregon, and another BCS school, anyone know when they're planning to announce? One tourney though won't be good enough, we still need to avoid 250+ teams at all costs. I have no problem with a steady diet of 100 to 200 RPI teams.

Agree. But I hate this system. What difference is there really between a team rated 180 and one rated 250? Both generally suck. One just might cost more. Not sure why one 20 point win over a small school cupcake should count more than another. Just my $.02.

Exactly!

It's ridiculous that scheduling and beating "better" cupcakes has that much influence, but unfortunately that's the RPI game that needs to be played.

I agree. That's why the RPI is and always has been retarded IMO. After the Top 100-120 teams every team below that should have either zero effect on the RPI or the exact same amount of SOS should apply to every team you play below that cut-off.

UC should not be punished for beating a cupcake that isn't as "good" as another cupcake another team plays.
 
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(01-19-2012 12:27 PM)subflea Wrote:  All of the ones you mentioned are currently out of our price range, and the only way to get them to come here is by giving them a game in return.

Then do it.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:53 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 12:27 PM)subflea Wrote:  All of the ones you mentioned are currently out of our price range, and the only way to get them to come here is by giving them a game in return.

Then do it.

They actually do 2 for 1s right now with Wright St, Toledo and Miami.

You can only give away so many home games.
 
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(01-19-2012 12:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Scheduling for BE hoops is like scheduling for SEC football. Why play a brutal non-conference schedule when you have to go through the meat grinder that is the BE? The Wise Man has it right, we need to play more teams in the 200 range as opposed to the 300 range. I don't care how they do it but Whit's got to find the means to start bringing in some decent mid-majors.

SEC teams still play tough non-conference games. Just last year you had Oregon/LSU, Alabama/Penn State, Georgia/Boise State, and South Carolina/ Clemson.

The object should be to play smaller schools who are expected to do well in their conference and a couple of major (or big-time mid-majors) conference teams each season.
 
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Yeah I really hate the RPI's calculation. You see so many teams that you look at the schedule and scratch your head how they are that high even though they may only play 1 or 2 games against the top 50, but it is avoiding the 250+ teams that is key. Hopefully now we will have a little more jack so that we can pay the extra money to get the 100-150 teams instead.

Those that argue that playing 100-150 teams will help the attendance. I doubt it. What is the difference from watching Chicago State or Indiana State? In the casual fans eyes, nothing. In the eyes of the RPI computers it is huge. The other thing is sometimes it is a guessing game with those cupcakes as you may expect more from one as opposed to another and if you guess wrong, it hurts. But there are quite a few of them that are typically good RPI helpers, but they are in heavy demand from BCS schools for that RPI boost and you really have to pay for them. I have even heard rumors that some teams even have a staff member whose sole job is to predict the RPI and try to help build future schedules by smartly scheduling the right cupcakes.

Hopefully playing in the Vegas tourney will help and maybe now we will be a little more marque for ESPN or CBS to schedule us against a top 25 program or two. Hopefully we can scrape up a little more jack and bring in fewer RPI anchors next season and beyond.
 
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(01-19-2012 01:59 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 12:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Scheduling for BE hoops is like scheduling for SEC football. Why play a brutal non-conference schedule when you have to go through the meat grinder that is the BE? The Wise Man has it right, we need to play more teams in the 200 range as opposed to the 300 range. I don't care how they do it but Whit's got to find the means to start bringing in some decent mid-majors.

SEC teams still play tough non-conference games. Just last year you had Oregon/LSU, Alabama/Penn State, Georgia/Boise State, and South Carolina/ Clemson.

The object should be to play smaller schools who are expected to do well in their conference and a couple of major (or big-time mid-majors) conference teams each season.

Hopefully we are getting back to a place as a program where ESPN would love to have us for a big OOC game. A game like that would be big for recruiting as well.
 
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Hopefully if we have a good enough year we can get one of the marqee SEC teams in the BE/SEC challenge.
 
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The RPI is 75% about your opponents and their opponents. That in itself should be a huge red flag.
 
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