(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:46 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:00 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 10:39 PM)zibby Wrote:  No, the storm was a couple days before the game. There were still people without power when the game was played. Who knows how many of them would have watched the game...maybe last year's ratings would have been even higher.

Lots of conditions. KSU has a bigger fan base then ISU.

Cuse going to a bowl for the first time in what seemed like an eternity to the Orange fans.

First bowl in Yankee stadium.

It snowed last year so people were stuck inside and could only watch TV, this year it was beautiful so people took down Xmas decorations and other outdoor stuff.

Its never as simple as "Well just look at the numbers!".

And more people would've been off work for the game this year to watch it. This year was a better day (TV wise) than last year's game as people where more likely off work on a Friday late afternoon holiday weekend vs a Thursday last afternoon (last year). ISU and KSU fan bases are similar in size...both are the 2nd team in the state. Their attendance support is nearly identical.

College Bowls are off this year but not 20%. Syracuse historically is a better TV draw nationally than Rutgers.

So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

(01-14-2012 10:56 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I watched several bowls. To me, even a bad bowl is better than the other crap that's on TV. I don't care what the Kardashian's are doing.

I watched almost all the bowls. Why not?

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:46 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:00 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Lots of conditions. KSU has a bigger fan base then ISU.

Cuse going to a bowl for the first time in what seemed like an eternity to the Orange fans.

First bowl in Yankee stadium.

It snowed last year so people were stuck inside and could only watch TV, this year it was beautiful so people took down Xmas decorations and other outdoor stuff.

Its never as simple as "Well just look at the numbers!".

And more people would've been off work for the game this year to watch it. This year was a better day (TV wise) than last year's game as people where more likely off work on a Friday late afternoon holiday weekend vs a Thursday last afternoon (last year). ISU and KSU fan bases are similar in size...both are the 2nd team in the state. Their attendance support is nearly identical.

College Bowls are off this year but not 20%. Syracuse historically is a better TV draw nationally than Rutgers.

So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

It is strange that you would denigrate the ACC when, let's face it, STJs would join in a minute if invited.

(01-14-2012 01:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:46 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  And more people would've been off work for the game this year to watch it. This year was a better day (TV wise) than last year's game as people where more likely off work on a Friday late afternoon holiday weekend vs a Thursday last afternoon (last year). ISU and KSU fan bases are similar in size...both are the 2nd team in the state. Their attendance support is nearly identical.

College Bowls are off this year but not 20%. Syracuse historically is a better TV draw nationally than Rutgers.

So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

It is strange that you would denigrate the ACC when, let's face it, STJs would join in a minute if invited.

These ratings are national numbers...weather and snow and the like I am sure did not play into it. National game that could be watched from anywhere on any TV pretty much...yes even while on vacation unless everyone fan was in their car. Not very likely.

There are no excuses for a Rutgers "FAN" to not have their TV on to watch this one...

SU has a much larger fan base even with a smaller student body and alumni base...

Good luck spinning these numbers, it's pretty cut and dried. Attendance as well... SU had 50 less fans w/o giving tickets away, being 250 miles farther from the stadium, WAY worse weather for travel, smaller alumni base and student body, etc...

Can't wait for the reasoning (excuses) from Rutgers "fans".

Here we go again with another pissing match. You guys need to all chill. This is so tiring with so many threads denigrating to flamming and smack.

(01-14-2012 09:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IMO people are coming to the realization that the bowls are a joke. As far as ESPiN is concerned, the only bowls that happen are the bowls that pick their darling teams. But even those pale in comparison to the BCS Championship game in ESPiN's eyes, even if the rest of the nation could care less...

ESPiN has ignored the public in favor of trying to shape the news to suit themselves, and it's hurting the game IMO...

I don't usually agree with you Bit, but you are spot on this time. ESPN calls the shots on who gets on national TV, who goes to what bowl games and even the times the games will air. If the NCAA did not require teams to have at least a .500 record in the regular season to qualify for a bowl, you would see even more SEC and Big Ten teams in "marquee" bowl games. Ohio State and Florida each got a Gator Bowl bid this year despite the fact they were bad teams this year. It is all about the money and the eyeballs. Makes it hard for the Wake Forests, the Vanderbilts, the Iowa States to get their props when they have good season. That's why it is fun to see the kind of season that Baylor had this year, or Wake Forest a few years ago or admire what Vanderbilt seems to be building in Nashville. We at Cincinnati can relate to this as well as we have lived in Ohio State's shadow for too long. The last 5-7 years have been fantastic and UC has become an up and coming football destination. Our attendance is increasing each year and our bowl attendance is becoming equally impressive. But we still having to overcome our 50 year record of football mediocrity and poor attendance due to things like the Reds, Bengals and yes, Ohio State.

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:46 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:00 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Lots of conditions. KSU has a bigger fan base then ISU.

Cuse going to a bowl for the first time in what seemed like an eternity to the Orange fans.

First bowl in Yankee stadium.

It snowed last year so people were stuck inside and could only watch TV, this year it was beautiful so people took down Xmas decorations and other outdoor stuff.

Its never as simple as "Well just look at the numbers!".

And more people would've been off work for the game this year to watch it. This year was a better day (TV wise) than last year's game as people where more likely off work on a Friday late afternoon holiday weekend vs a Thursday last afternoon (last year). ISU and KSU fan bases are similar in size...both are the 2nd team in the state. Their attendance support is nearly identical.

College Bowls are off this year but not 20%. Syracuse historically is a better TV draw nationally than Rutgers.

So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

Jeez enough with the who's is bigger pissing match here. I think Syracuse will be back again same with Pitt.

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(01-14-2012 02:13 PM)CuseOnly Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 01:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

It is strange that you would denigrate the ACC when, let's face it, STJs would join in a minute if invited.

These ratings are national numbers...weather and snow and the like I am sure did not play into it. National game that could be watched from anywhere on any TV pretty much...yes even while on vacation unless everyone fan was in their car. Not very likely.

There are no excuses for a Rutgers "FAN" to not have their TV on to watch this one...

SU has a much larger fan base even with a smaller student body and alumni base...

Good luck spinning these numbers, it's pretty cut and dried. Attendance as well... SU had 50 less fans w/o giving tickets away, being 250 miles farther from the stadium, WAY worse weather for travel, smaller alumni base and student body, etc...

Can't wait for the reasoning (excuses) from Rutgers "fans".

Viewership was only down 5% which means considering bowl viewership was down 15% on average we actually did ok. That being said can we cut the pissing matches already.

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And another thing Zibby the intent of this thread was pretty obvious to cause these pissing matches.

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(01-14-2012 01:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:46 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  And more people would've been off work for the game this year to watch it. This year was a better day (TV wise) than last year's game as people where more likely off work on a Friday late afternoon holiday weekend vs a Thursday last afternoon (last year). ISU and KSU fan bases are similar in size...both are the 2nd team in the state. Their attendance support is nearly identical.

College Bowls are off this year but not 20%. Syracuse historically is a better TV draw nationally than Rutgers.

So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

It is strange that you would denigrate the ACC when, let's face it, STJs would join in a minute if invited.

We dont play FB so why would we jump when we can play our regional rivals and still be in a great BBall conference?

(01-14-2012 02:13 PM)CuseOnly Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 01:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 12:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 11:55 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  So people are off friday the 30th but not thurs the 30th? Why would they be off one day but not the next?

Oh and it being so nice out means the casual viewer will be doing something else. When the ENTIRE eastern seaboard is under 3 feet of snow the majority of major TV markets are all stuck inside watching TV. The 50 degree day means people are returning gifts, taking down Xmas decoration, getting ready for NYE parties etc. Also please prove a link that Cuse is a better TV draw than Rutgers. Rutgers has had one of the highest rated regular season games on ESPN.

The ENTIRE eastern seaboard wasn't under 3 feet of snow...I drove gameday from Boston to NYC last year and actually saw bare patches. The NYC Metro area got blasted but other areas where just fine.

I said historically they (Cuse) are a better draw...you see it isn't just about Football. I'm not going to do a research project for you...I'll let the TV execs and conference leadership do that for me.

Syracuses history as being a draw in FB has been over for a decade at best. Rutgers has been a better draw this decade and TV execs look at trends, whats trending up and whats trending down. Guess who has been trending up and whose been trending down? Wow, you got chosen for the ACC! Good for you, a crappy FB conference with top heavy BBall.

It is strange that you would denigrate the ACC when, let's face it, STJs would join in a minute if invited.

These ratings are national numbers...weather and snow and the like I am sure did not play into it. National game that could be watched from anywhere on any TV pretty much...yes even while on vacation unless everyone fan was in their car. Not very likely.

There are no excuses for a Rutgers "FAN" to not have their TV on to watch this one...

SU has a much larger fan base even with a smaller student body and alumni base...

Good luck spinning these numbers, it's pretty cut and dried. Attendance as well... SU had 50 less fans w/o giving tickets away, being 250 miles farther from the stadium, WAY worse weather for travel, smaller alumni base and student body, etc...

Can't wait for the reasoning (excuses) from Rutgers "fans".

So you need to go to a school to be a "fan"? Im from NJ and went to a school that didnt play FB. So I shouldnt be able to root for a team? Kind of a weak arguement, but what should I expect.

(01-14-2012 11:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 10:56 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I watched several bowls. To me, even a bad bowl is better than the other crap that's on TV. I don't care what the Kardashian's are doing.

I saw a lot of bowls too. But I only watched all of one. I just checked out the rest here and there...

Yes, I did about the same. The only bowl that I watched every play was SMU-Pitt. But I saw some (or most) of several other bowls. I keep the games on the TV while I'm doing stuff around the house.

Why are people just now realizing bowl games are just exibition games? They always have been for teams to celebrate a great season. Think of it as a vacation for the teams that participate that happens to also have a game involved. Moving games away from Jan 1 really hurt the bowl tradition.

(01-14-2012 07:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  So you need to go to a school to be a "fan"? Im from NJ and went to a school that didnt play FB. So I shouldnt be able to root for a team? Kind of a weak arguement, but what should I expect.

Wow. This is a can of worms. No, you don't have to attend a school to be a fan. I was an Ohio State fan as a kid (with no connection to that school). And 99% of all Nebraskans root hard for the Cornhuskers, even though a tiny percentage of the population actually graduated from there.

But a fan of a school that they did not attend should not use "we" to describe that team. For example, it's ridiculous when a Texas fan (who did not attend school there) tells me that "We are better than you (UConn)". He can say, "Texas has a better FB team than UConn", but he should never use the term "we" if he didn't attend that school. You don't qualify as "we" unless you are from that school.

The Fiesta Bowl started the movement away from traiditions, CP. The Fiesta Bowl had to play on Jan. 2nd, so they could be the last bowl game of the year. Other bowls started moving their dates back in an attempt to increase their profile, since the Jan. 2nd date helped the Fiesta Bowl gain popularity over more traditional bowls...

(01-14-2012 07:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Fiesta Bowl started the movement away from traiditions, CP. The Fiesta Bowl had to play on Jan. 2nd, so they could be the last bowl game of the year. Other bowls started moving their dates back in an attempt to increase their profile, since the Jan. 2nd date helped the Fiesta Bowl gain popularity over more traditional bowls...

Definitely agree with this 100%.

(01-14-2012 09:18 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 07:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Fiesta Bowl started the movement away from traiditions, CP. The Fiesta Bowl had to play on Jan. 2nd, so they could be the last bowl game of the year. Other bowls started moving their dates back in an attempt to increase their profile, since the Jan. 2nd date helped the Fiesta Bowl gain popularity over more traditional bowls...

Definitely agree with this 100%.

Me too... In a Plus 1 scenario, it makes total sense to play the BCS Bowls on the 1st and the NC game a week later.

Too. Many. Bowls.

(01-14-2012 07:54 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 07:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  So you need to go to a school to be a "fan"? Im from NJ and went to a school that didnt play FB. So I shouldnt be able to root for a team? Kind of a weak arguement, but what should I expect.

Wow. This is a can of worms. No, you don't have to attend a school to be a fan. I was an Ohio State fan as a kid (with no connection to that school). And 99% of all Nebraskans root hard for the Cornhuskers, even though a tiny percentage of the population actually graduated from there.

But a fan of a school that they did not attend should not use "we" to describe that team. For example, it's ridiculous when a Texas fan (who did not attend school there) tells me that "We are better than you (UConn)". He can say, "Texas has a better FB team than UConn", but he should never use the term "we" if he didn't attend that school. You don't qualify as "we" unless you are from that school.

This is way too strict for me. If your fandom is pure you can say "we", graduate or not.

(01-14-2012 07:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Fiesta Bowl started the movement away from traiditions, CP. The Fiesta Bowl had to play on Jan. 2nd, so they could be the last bowl game of the year. Other bowls started moving their dates back in an attempt to increase their profile, since the Jan. 2nd date helped the Fiesta Bowl gain popularity over more traditional bowls...

The Fiesta Bowl moved the game back, because if they didn't they weren't getting 1 vs 2 that year. Miami would have played in the Orange Bowl and Penn State was headed to New orleans.