RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
Might need to wait another year for that. He's not likely to get eligible. He wanted to go to UCONN, but couldn't get in. Marshall said they could get him admitted and he committed there in December and was planning on enrolling in January, but guess what? He couldn't get in and is now not sure if he can even get cleared to play in the fall. So the plan for now is to go to Temple, if he doesn't get eligible then pay his own way for a year and hope he can get eligible for 2013.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:05 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
I thought you could only sign 28 per year then have 25 join the program???
There's loopholes in that rule. The SEC made a stricter rule this past summer, but the MAC has not done anything to prevent it.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:13 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:05 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
I thought you could only sign 28 per year then have 25 join the program???
There's loopholes in that rule. The SEC made a stricter rule this past summer, but the MAC has not done anything to prevent it.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:05 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
I thought you could only sign 28 per year then have 25 join the program???
Honestly im not sure, i just went by what was posted today.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:17 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:05 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
I thought you could only sign 28 per year then have 25 join the program???
Honestly im not sure, i just went by what was posted today.
NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters." Counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3) are individuals who are receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport, initial counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3.1) are individuals who are receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. Bylaw 13.9.2.3 limits schools to signing 28 NLI from initial signing day through May 31.[1]
I know that there are ways to get around it with JuCos and grey shirts but I can't imagine a kid willing to sit for a year without a paid ride just to play at a MAC school. That is the type of thing the SEC schools are able to do but that's about it.
Well I guess the Temple coach was from the SEC so maybe he brought the practice with him.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:47 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:17 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:05 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
I thought you could only sign 28 per year then have 25 join the program???
Honestly im not sure, i just went by what was posted today.
NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters." Counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3) are individuals who are receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport, initial counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3.1) are individuals who are receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. Bylaw 13.9.2.3 limits schools to signing 28 NLI from initial signing day through May 31.[1]
I know that there are ways to get around it with JuCos and grey shirts but I can't imagine a kid willing to sit for a year without a paid ride just to play at a MAC school. That is the type of thing the SEC schools are able to do but that's about it.
Well I guess the Temple coach was from the SEC so maybe he brought the practice with him.
You guys are much better with these rules then me, I give you credit. I guess that’s why if I were the AD the team would end up on probation!
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
Golden Showers moved on to Miami but not much has changed. Getting verbals into the 30s and some of those kids already saying their grades suck and they won't qualify.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 05:47 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:17 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:05 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:
(01-13-2012 05:04 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:
(01-13-2012 04:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote: Temple just picked up a verbal from the #1 prep RB in the country, who is a 4 star according to Scout.
They did, that’s Montrell Dobbs.
Total as of this AM is 31committed, 5 are rated 3 stars, 22 are rated 2 star, and 4 are not rated.
Hopefully Montrell can step in this year and contribute some with the loss of Bernard Pierce, to help take some of the load off Matt Browns shoulders. Only 4 offensive linemen which worries me some, that’s a position that a run based team can never be too deep, 14 players on the defensive side of the ball which is good to see.
Overall I’de have to say I’m happy so far, but not ecstatic! I’m hoping for a last minute steal of a recruit from Rutgers or Penn State.
I thought you could only sign 28 per year then have 25 join the program???
Honestly im not sure, i just went by what was posted today.
NCAA Bylaw 15.5.6.1 limits FBS football programs to a total number of scholarships to 85 "counters" annually including 25 scholarships for "initial counters." Counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3) are individuals who are receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport, initial counters (NCAA Bylaw 15.02.3.1) are individuals who are receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. Bylaw 13.9.2.3 limits schools to signing 28 NLI from initial signing day through May 31.[1]
I know that there are ways to get around it with JuCos and grey shirts but I can't imagine a kid willing to sit for a year without a paid ride just to play at a MAC school. That is the type of thing the SEC schools are able to do but that's about it.
Well I guess the Temple coach was from the SEC so maybe he brought the practice with him.
I don't know anything about Temple's recruiting class, but if they signed any JUCO's and mid-year transfers in December they don't count against that 28 because of a loophole. If they signed anyone last year and placed them in a prep school, they technically don't sign a NLI again since they are going to the same school they originally signed with the year before. Only time prep school players have to sign is when they end up going with a different school than they signed with the year before.
These are just two examples of loopholes to the "28 initials" bylaw.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 06:25 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: I don't know anything about Temple's recruiting class, but if they signed any JUCO's and mid-year transfers in December they don't count against that 28 because of a loophole. If they signed anyone last year and placed them in a prep school, they technically don't sign a NLI again since they are going to the same school they originally signed with the year before. Only time prep school players have to sign is when they end up going with a different school than they signed with the year before.
These are just two examples of loopholes to the "28 initials" bylaw.
We have one prep from last year, and 2 mid-year (soon to be 3). One person on that list decommitted, and we know about 1-3 on the current list who won't qualify. So in reality, we're at 24-26 right now.
Funny how Scout is slanted towards quantity over quality. I'm not sure how Temple can have 31, isn't that over the limit?
Sent a contact email to ESPN and neither site lists UMass.
We'll have 20 recruits on campus this weekend. Charley Molnar made many interesting comments but on recruiting, comments that he will focus on Massachusetts first, then down to New Jersey and Maryland and then the East Coast. He wants New England recruits that can handle the cold and are tough. Championships are won in November. We will have 80-81 scholarship players so we will be counted as a FBS team for the Michigan game.
Coach Molnar also said most of the MAC recruits where taken by the time he was hired. He tells high school coach that this year he will consider recruites that are ODU, CAA caliber but will not even talk to recruits next year unless they are FBS recruits.
30 minute video on Coach Charley Molnar during the weekly sports luncheon.
Franks blog is excellent. UMass Football Blog
Makes sense to let the next two weekends happen, but perhaps others can post.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
That's interesting. There are plenty of MAC-level prospects that are still uncommitted. Maybe he just had trouble getting an in-road with them because he was coming in so late.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 10:54 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: That's interesting. There are plenty of MAC-level prospects that are still uncommitted. Maybe he just had trouble getting an in-road with them because he was coming in so late.
That would be my guess.
I doubt UMass will steal an Ohio kid from a UT, etc. by coming in late.
The only stealing might be a B1G team sniffy around looking at a kid considering a MAC team.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-13-2012 09:53 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: Sent a contact email to ESPN and neither site lists UMass.
We'll have 20 recruits on campus this weekend. Charley Molnar made many interesting comments but on recruiting, comments that he will focus on Massachusetts first, then down to New Jersey and Maryland and then the East Coast.
Ever seen players from MD or NJ? Yes, there is the occasional Ron Dayne or Darnell Dockett, but neither state produces a lot of football talent.
Better off trying to be the premier New England program, and recruit MA, ME NY, PA heavily, try to develop some network FL and CA, and find the occasional gem from CT, VT, RI, NH.
(This post was last modified: 01-14-2012 09:33 AM by DrTorch.)
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-14-2012 09:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:
(01-13-2012 09:53 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: Sent a contact email to ESPN and neither site lists UMass.
We'll have 20 recruits on campus this weekend. Charley Molnar made many interesting comments but on recruiting, comments that he will focus on Massachusetts first, then down to New Jersey and Maryland and then the East Coast.
Ever seen players from MD or NJ? Yes, there is the occasional Ron Dayne or Darnell Dockett, but neither state produces a lot of football talent.
Better off trying to be the premier New England program, and recruit MA, ME NY, PA heavily, try to develop some network FL and CA, and find the occasional gem from CT, VT, RI, NH.
MD and NJ are smaller states so the quantity is not there, but there is some pretty good talent from there. Just at UT, the last two running backs came from New Jersey, DaJuane Collins and Adonis Thomas. Cleveland Browns cornerback Joe Haden is from Maryland.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
NCAA is proposing cutting football scholarships from 85 to 80. I think this would be a good thing for the MAC. First, that would be 5 less scholarships to have to pay for, and second, that is over 300 kids that won't be getting scholarships to BCS schools that become available to us.
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-14-2012 01:40 PM)DICK Wrote: NCAA is proposing cutting football scholarships from 85 to 80. I think this would be a good thing for the MAC. First, that would be 5 less scholarships to have to pay for, and second, that is over 300 kids that won't be getting scholarships to BCS schools that become available to us.
It helps deal with the Title IX issues (gender equity).
If NCAA went to 75 scholarships, maybe some schools could drop a sport they'd like to drop which they keep for gender equity purposes.
Also as more and more teams move up from FCS to FBS more scholarship opportunities will start to become available again.
(This post was last modified: 01-14-2012 02:58 PM by emu steve.)
RE: Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
(01-14-2012 10:18 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote: MD and NJ are smaller states so the quantity is not there,
Yes, I think I wrote exactly that.
Which is why it's nuts for a relatively distant state to try to start recruiting here (as in I live in Maryland) and compete against UMd, Rutgers, Pitt, Temple, PSU, UVa, Syracuse and Buffalo (and other MAC teams) as well as Towson, Princeton, Delaware, Villanova, Columbia, Cornell, Lehigh and perhaps even Delaware St.
Meanwhile, UMaine has a competitive IAA team every year, and the rest of NE has a population that should be tapped into.
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Where does each MAC team stand on FB recruiting?
Ever seen players from MD or NJ? Yes, there is the occasional Ron Dayne or Darnell Dockett, but neither state produces a lot of football talent.
