(01-12-2012 03:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I do too, unfortunately this would make that path more difficult, and all parents want their childrens lives to be easier, not more difficult.

I would encourage my son to focus on those things that bind us, rather than those things that make us different. I don't think that putting people's sexuality in other people's faces helps the debate. There are enough people who are gay or at the very least, ambivelent on the subject to create a majority without needing to "out" the homophobes. Just as they would want to do, let them come out on their own.

If the dude ain't attracted to chicks, he ain't attracted to chicks.

I agree..

I live in houston where there is a large and active gay community, particularly in an area called montrose. 99%% of the time, Montrose is just a nice area with lots of coffee shops and antique stores and soem "FABULOUS" clothing stores... but on rare occassions, you see people going "over the top" in their attire... specifically the gay pride parade. I don't think that is helpful any more than I think having heteros do the same thing would be

(01-12-2012 03:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I do too, unfortunately this would make that path more difficult, and all parents want their childrens lives to be easier, not more difficult.

I would encourage my son to focus on those things that bind us, rather than those things that make us different. I don't think that putting people's sexuality in other people's faces helps the debate. There are enough people who are gay or at the very least, ambivelent on the subject to create a majority without needing to "out" the homophobes. Just as they would want to do, let them come out on their own.

If the dude ain't attracted to chicks, he ain't attracted to chicks.

If the dude ain't attracted to anyone over the age of 13 he ain't attracted to anyone over the age of 13

(01-12-2012 03:45 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:34 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  My point is that it's a characteristic that is a non-issue, much like which hand he writes with.

Non-issue? Are you kidding me?

The OP asked what I would do. My answer is that I don't think there's any need to do anything.

Your child drew a tougher than normal life path. Certainly tougher than being left-handed. I'd do SOMETHING.

Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

In my family or in society in general?

(01-12-2012 03:50 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  but on rare occassions, you see people going "over the top" in their attire... specifically the gay pride parade. I don't think that is helpful any more than I think having heteros do the same thing would be

No, that's the BS that pisses me off.

(01-12-2012 03:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

In my family or in society in general?

Under any circumstance, it matters not the conditions.

(01-12-2012 03:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  YOU define it as such to 'make it a non issue'...

And vice versa.

(01-12-2012 03:56 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

In my family or in society in general?

Under any circumstance, it matters not the conditions.

If you don't think it matters then I wonder where your coming from..

But in any event why would it matter to me? Simple, it's a sin. I don't want my kid living in sin. I would no more support them being gay than I would shaking up while unmarried, cheating on their taxes, or mugging people.

(01-12-2012 04:13 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:56 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

In my family or in society in general?

Under any circumstance, it matters not the conditions.

If you don't think it matters then I wonder where your coming from..

But in any event why would it matter to me? Simple, it's a sin. I don't want my kid living in sin. I would no more support them being gay than I would shaking up while unmarried, cheating on their taxes, or mugging people.

All sin is equal in the eyes of your god, right?

(01-12-2012 04:17 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 04:13 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:56 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

In my family or in society in general?

Under any circumstance, it matters not the conditions.

If you don't think it matters then I wonder where your coming from..

But in any event why would it matter to me? Simple, it's a sin. I don't want my kid living in sin. I would no more support them being gay than I would shaking up while unmarried, cheating on their taxes, or mugging people.

All sin is equal in the eyes of your god, right?

If he is talking about the Jehovah (Christian) God, then yes.

The condition Redwing talks about is Klinefelter's syndrome. It's caused by a nondisjunction of the twenty third chromosome. There are other genes that are suspected to limit testosterone. They have isolated a gene on the X chromosome that causes the male pituitary gland to be the size of a pea instead of an acorn. This would cause you to get 1/3rd the amount of testosterone. Look up Gay Gene at the Human Genome Project site. I haven't looked it up in three years. They may have isolated others.

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

special treatment.

(01-12-2012 03:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I do too, unfortunately this would make that path more difficult, and all parents want their childrens lives to be easier, not more difficult.

I would encourage my son to focus on those things that bind us, rather than those things that make us different. I don't think that putting people's sexuality in other people's faces helps the debate. There are enough people who are gay or at the very least, ambivelent on the subject to create a majority without needing to "out" the homophobes. Just as they would want to do, let them come out on their own.

If the dude ain't attracted to chicks, he ain't attracted to chicks.

If the dude ain't attracted to anyone over the age of 13 he ain't attracted to anyone over the age of 13

My dad could have beaten that out of him, too.

(01-12-2012 04:19 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The condition Redwing talks about is Klinefelter's syndrome. It's caused by a nondisjunction of the twenty third chromosome. There are other genes that are suspected to limit testosterone. They have isolated a gene on the X chromosome that causes the male pituitary gland to be the size of a pea instead of an acorn. This would cause you to get 1/3rd the amount of testosterone. Look up Gay Gene at the Human Genome Project site. I haven't looked it up in three years. They may have isolated others.

Does everyone who is gay suffer from the same thing?

I think one could be gay both by nature and nurture. That probably wouldn't change the way I would think at that second my child told me he or she was gay. Even the most accepting of parents could react badly.

Nomad,

just looked up the study. Hamer 1993 chromosome marker Xq23.

http://books.google.com/books?id=B5PDUqf...ry&f=false

Here's a link of a book that has transcripts of the effects on the endocrine systems.

You can not eliminate nurtures side in all of this. I would even go that your environment plays a larger role than the gentics. Kids who have been sexually abused abuse others later on down the line. However, you can't argue the science link behind it either. Just like all things your environment and your genetics play a role. People are predisopsed to certain behaviors.

(01-12-2012 04:36 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Nomad,

just looked up the study. Hamer 1993 chromosome marker Xq23.

http://books.google.com/books?id=B5PDUqf...ry&f=false

Here's a link of a book that has transcripts of the effects on the endocrine systems.

You can not eliminate nurtures side in all of this. I would even go that your environment plays a larger role than the gentics. Kids who have been sexually abused abuse others later on down the line. However, you can't argue the science link behind it either. Just like all things your environment and your genetics play a role. People are predisopsed to certain behaviors.

I'm not arguing the science.

(01-12-2012 04:17 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 04:13 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:56 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:55 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:53 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Here's another good question, and I just want to gauge the audience here:

"What makes a person being gay an issue?"

In my family or in society in general?

Under any circumstance, it matters not the conditions.

If you don't think it matters then I wonder where your coming from..

But in any event why would it matter to me? Simple, it's a sin. I don't want my kid living in sin. I would no more support them being gay than I would shaking up while unmarried, cheating on their taxes, or mugging people.

All sin is equal in the eyes of your god, right?

All and any sin is enough to damn a person if that is what you mean. The Bible occasionally makes a few distinctions but never says "naa that one is sort of ok"

The problem with living as a homosexual is that its *unrepentant* sin.

If my kids lies to me, as 5yos sometimes do, I discipline them. If they tell me they are sorry, and I believe it, I may do it less.

All sin, save blaspheming the holy spirit, is forgivable but you need to repent to be forgiven.

I would support my child and love them just as before. Nothing would change. I would sit him down for a serious adult discussion about the issue and how it effects not only him but his family and friends. This goes to what was mentioned above in regard to overt flamboyant behavior. I would seriously talk about protecting himself from AIDS and SDT's. I would treat this as a adult issue and what to make sure that he understands that I support him in his lifestyle, but I would hope they also respect mine equally and be sensitive to it.

This is how I treated my daughter in regard to sexual issues...as an adult..openly and honestly. I see no other way to approach it.