(01-03-2012 01:15 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 11:47 AM)axeme Wrote:  This really puts a premium on inter-divisional play on both sides, but nice advantage for a West team if it can dominate its division and the East beats each other up at the top.

Pomeroy currently projects KSU, OU, UB and Akron to all finish at 11-5. Can a West team match that or do better is an interesting question? The likelihood is that one or two of the East teams may do better than 11-5, though.

This is why I think the MAC should redesign the conference in a Zipper format with UMass coming into the conference next year for football.

Place UMass and Temple in different divisions so 12 core members will play in the same football and basketball divisions and just add 1 additional member for football to each side.

Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Bowling Green, Kent State, Akron, Buffalo, UMass*

Northern Illinois, Ball State, Eastern Michigan, Toledo, Miami, Ohio, Temple*

At least for basketball the two divisions would be nicely balanced. In football its a different story with NIU, Toledo, Temple, Ohio all in the same division though Temple may not be staying so that changes the equation somewhat.

The only crossovers I would keep in football are BG-Toledo, CMU-EMU and Temple-UMass. Temple should be playing Buffalo every year but I want to keep Buffalo in the Kent State/Akron division because of travel.

It seems that football will always have trouble with balance. Ohio seems to own the East and the West moves from school to school, with all the schools always a threat. The East has Ohio and a few one year wonders but Ohio is always good. The West Big 4 has always been good. And BSU has had some big years and EMU has improved.

In basketball the East has dominated and the West is barely D2 in quality.

=>If the MAC West was it's own 6 team conference, it would be ranked about 29th. The MAC East about 11th (equal to PAC 12 if compare RPI's).

=>Miami falls from a home game as the #7 seed to a road match as a #9. Toledo, as a #8, is now in a position to host.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/16/12):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-10) @ 5. BGSU (7-5) - TBA
GM 2: 9. Miami (4-8)$ @ 8. Toledo (4-8)$ - TBA
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-8)$ @ 7. WMU (5-7) - TBA
GM 4: 11. CMU (3-9) @ 6. EMU (6-6) - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - TBA (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - TBA (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Ohio U. (8-4) - TBA (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Kent (9-3)* - TBA (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (11-1) - TBA (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Buffalo (9-3)* - TBA (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* Kent and Buffalo split head-2-head. Buffalo beats Kent as having the best winning % versus the highest ranked teams -> #1 Akron.

$ Among 4-8 teams, head-2-head, Toledo is 2-1, Miami 1-1, and BSU 1-2. (Of note, the road team has won all 4 games: Toledo won at Miami and BSU, Miami won at BSU, and BSU won at Toledo)

MAC Tiebreaker Information:

Not up yet as of 01/30/12. Here is the old 2011 link (no longer works as of 01/30/12), but not sure tiebreakers will be the same.

Tourney Front Page:

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/...ballM.aspx

Tourney Bracket:

2012 Bracket

=>Miami moved back into a home game as the #8 seed for at least a day. If Toledo wins at home vs. CMU tomorrow (Wed), Toledo will reclaim the home game as the #8 seed and Miami will go back to #9 seed and on the road.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/21/12):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-10) @ 5. BGSU (7-5) - TBA
GM 2: 9. Toledo (4-8)* @ 8. Miami (5-8) - TBA
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-8)* @ 7. WMU (5-7) - TBA
GM 4: 11. CMU (3-9) @ 6. EMU (6-6) - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - TBA (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - TBA (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Ohio U. (8-4) - TBA (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Kent (9-4) - TBA (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (11-1) - TBA (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Buffalo (9-3) - TBA (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 11: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* BSU and Toledo split head-2-head. Toledo beats BSU as having the best winning % versus the highest ranked team -> #4 Ohio U.

MAC Tiebreaker Information:

Not up yet as of 01/30/12. Here is the old 2011 link (no longer works as of 01/30/12), but not sure tiebreakers will be the same.

Tourney Front Page:

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/...ballM.aspx

Tourney Bracket:

2012 Bracket

I think you have the records wrong. Miami won so they are 5-8.

=>Miami moved back into a road game as the #9 seed and switched places with Toledo after tonight's UT win at home over CMU.

Log jam at the number 2-4 seed spots.

Akron has clinched at least a share of the overall MAC title, but could end up as the #2 or even #3 seed depending on tiebreakers.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/22/12):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-11) @ 5. EMU (7-6)$ - TBA
GM 2: 9. Miami (5-8)% @ 8. Toledo (5-8)% - TBA
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-9) @ 7. WMU (6-7) - TBA
GM 4: 11. CMU (3-10) @ 6. BGSU (7-6)$ - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - 9:30pm (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Buffalo (9-4)* - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Kent (9-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (12-1) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Ohio (9-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8:00pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* Of the teams tied at 9-4, head-2-head, Ohio U. is 3-0, Kent is 1-2, and Buffalo is 1-3.

$ EMU beat BGSU head-2-head.

% Toledo beat Miami head-2-head.

MAC Tiebreaker Information:

Not up yet as of 01/30/12. Here is the old 2011 link (no longer works as of 01/30/12), but not sure tiebreakers will be the same.

Tourney Front Page:

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/...ballM.aspx

Tourney Bracket:

2012 Bracket

thanks for updating. this is a really helpful post.

Excellent job keeping up with this Mollautt - many thanks.

=>Labor of love!

(02-23-2012 08:55 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Excellent job keeping up with this Mollautt - many thanks.

agreed!

I just thought I would take a swing at would updating this..



Akron has clinched at least a share of the overall MAC title, but could end up as the #2 or even #3 seed depending on tiebreakers.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/22/12):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-12) @ 5. EMU (8-6)$ - TBA
GM 2: 9. Miami (5-9) @ 8. WMU (6-8)% - TBA
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-10) @ 7. Toledo (6-8)% - TBA
GM 4: 11. CMU (4-10) @ 6. BGSU (8-6)$ - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - 9:30pm (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Kent (9-45) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Buffalo (10-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (12-2) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Ohio (10-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8:00pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* Ohio is 2-0 against UB head to head

$ EMU beat BGSU head-2-head.

% Toledo's best Win OU is better than WMU's

Haha! Nice! Wow, Kent had a bad year.

(02-28-2012 02:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I just thought I would take a swing at would updating this..



Akron has clinched at least a share of the overall MAC title, but could end up as the #2 or even #3 seed depending on tiebreakers.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/22/12):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-12) @ 5. EMU (8-6)$ - TBA
GM 2: 9. Miami (5-9) @ 8. WMU (6-8)% - TBA
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-10) @ 7. Toledo (6-8)% - TBA
GM 4: 11. CMU (4-10) @ 6. BGSU (8-6)$ - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - 9:30pm (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Kent (9-45) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Buffalo (10-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (12-2) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Ohio (10-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8:00pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* Ohio is 2-0 against UB head to head

$ EMU beat BGSU head-2-head.

% Toledo's best Win OU is better than WMU's

Nice! But shouldn't the 8/9 winner take on the 5/12 winner in the second round?

(02-28-2012 04:50 PM)bobcat95 Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 02:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I just thought I would take a swing at would updating this..



Akron has clinched at least a share of the overall MAC title, but could end up as the #2 or even #3 seed depending on tiebreakers.

MAC Tourney If Today (02/22/12):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (2-12) @ 5. EMU (8-6)$ - TBA
GM 2: 9. Miami (5-9) @ 8. WMU (6-8)% - TBA
GM 3: 10. BSU (4-10) @ 7. Toledo (6-8)% - TBA
GM 4: 11. CMU (4-10) @ 6. BGSU (8-6)$ - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - 9:30pm (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Kent (9-45) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Buffalo (10-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (12-2) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Ohio (10-4)* - 9:30pm (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8:00pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* Ohio is 2-0 against UB head to head

$ EMU beat BGSU head-2-head.

% Toledo's best Win OU is better than WMU's

Nice! But shouldn't the 8/9 winner take on the 5/12 winner in the second round?

yes and you need to switch the graphics for EMU and BGSU. NIU should be playing EMU, not BG. And CMU should be playing BG, not EMU.

you might just want to leave this up to the expert Mollautt.

Yeah, your bracket is messed up quite a bit. If the tournament started today, #5 Eastern Michigan should be on the same side as #4 Kent and #1 Akron facing the only team that you had right, #12 NIU. Western Michigan and Miami should also be on that side as the 8/9 game.

Conversely, #2 Ohio and #3 Buffalo are in the correct spots, while #6 Bowling Green should face #11 Central Michigan and #7 Toledo vs. #10 Ball State should be moved to that side of the bracket.



edit: I guess I shouldn't step away to take a shower when typing a thought as someone else already explained that.

=>Been on a cruise for the last week with limited internet access ($0.65 a minute) so unable to update during that time. My apologies.

MAC Tourney If Today (FINAL):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (3-13) @ 5. EMU (9-7)* - 7pm
GM 2: 9. BSU (6-10)$ @ 8. WMU (6-10)$ - 7pm
GM 3: 10. Miami (5-11)% @ 7. Toledo (7-9) - 7pm
GM 4: 11. CMU (5-11)% @ 6. BGSU (9-7)* - 7pm

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - 9:30pm (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Kent (10-6) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Ohio (11-5) - 9:30pm (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (13-3) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Buffalo (12-4) - 9:30pm (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 11: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8:00pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* EMU beat BGSU head-2-head.

$ BSU and WMU split head-to-head. WMU wins out as having the best winning % versus the highest ranked team -> #10 Miami.

% Miami beat CMU head-2-head.

MAC Tiebreaker Information:

Not up yet as of 01/30/12. Here is the old 2011 link (no longer works as of 01/30/12), but not sure tiebreakers will be the same.

Tourney Front Page:

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/...ballM.aspx

Tourney Bracket:

2012 Bracket

(03-05-2012 10:26 AM)mollautt Wrote:  =>Been on a cruise for the last week with limited internet access ($0.65 a minute) so unable to update during that time. My apologies.

MAC Tourney If Today (FINAL):

First Round (Campus Sites): Monday, March 5, 2012
GM 1: 12. NIU (3-13) @ 5. EMU (9-7)* - TBA
GM 2: 9. Miami (6-10)$ @ 8. Toledo (6-10)$ - TBA
GM 3: 10. Miami (5-11)% @ 7. Toledo (7-9) - TBAGM 4: 11. CMU (5-11)% @ 6. BGSU (9-7)* - TBA

Second Round (Cleveland): Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 1 v. Winner GM 2 - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 6: Winner GM 3 v. Winner GM 4 - 9:30pm (STO)

Quarterfinals (Cleveland): Thursday, March 8, 2012
GM 7: Winner GM 5 v. 4. Kent (10-6) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 8: Winner GM 6 v. 3. Ohio (11-5) - 9:30pm (STO)

Semifinals (Cleveland): Friday, March 9, 2012
GM 9: Winner GM 7 v. 1. Akron (13-3) - 7:00pm (STO)
GM 10: Winner GM 8 v. 2. Buffalo (12-4) - 9:30pm (STO)

Finals (Cleveland): Saturday, March 10, 2012
GM 5: Winner GM 9 v. Winner GM 10 - 8:00pm (ESPN2)

NOTE: Under new format, division champions no longer earned top 2 seeds (like format in 1998 and 1999).

TIEBREAKER EXPLANATIONS:

* EMU beat BGSU head-2-head.

$ BSU and WMU split head-to-head. WMU wins out as having the best winning % versus the highest ranked team -> #10 Miami.

% Miami beat CMU head-2-head.

MAC Tiebreaker Information:

Not up yet as of 01/30/12. Here is the old 2011 link (no longer works as of 01/30/12), but not sure tiebreakers will be the same.

Tourney Front Page:

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/...ballM.aspx

Tourney Bracket:

2012 Bracket

i think the sea air did something to the part of your brain that does the brackets! LOL