Is ninerfan Dick Morris? The hate of Ron Paul oozes out of him.

Last night Dick Morris blatantly lied on faux saying that Paul did worse against Obama than all other Republican candidates. I think he said he trailed Obama by 40 points ( it was some outrageous number.)

(01-03-2012 04:00 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  Is ninerfan Dick Morris? The hate of Ron Paul oozes out of him.

Last night Dick Morris blatantly lied on faux saying that Paul did worse against Obama than all other Republican candidates. I think he said he trailed Obama by 40 points ( it was some outrageous number.)

Hilarious. Disagree with Paul or believe he doesn't have a shot and your either a warmonger, neo-con, Jew, hate him or some combination there of.

I don't hate Paul. I like the guy. I think his views on some things are far to extreme to the point I couldn't get behind them, but overall he seems to me to be a principled and good man.

Stating he doesn't have a chance at the nomination is simply pointing out the obvious. There is a segment of the republican part, the more libertarian side, that Paul appeals very much to. However the majority of the republican party doesn't believe Iran should be allowed a nuke, doesn't believe their wanting one is to deter Israel, doesn't believe the Bush adminstration was "giddy" that thousands of Americans were slaughtered on 9/11 and doesn't believe prostitution and heroine should be legalized. These are all views Paul holds that do not resonate with the majority of Republican voters.

That is why he has no shot. Many of those views make him unacceptable to the majority of Republicans as a presidential nominee.

I am going to amend my previous prediction though.

1. Paul
2. Santorum
3. Romney

No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/03/the-tr...-santorum/

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid

3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.

Westboro has 40 members.

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

Wow! What a bigoted remark.

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

(01-03-2012 08:27 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

Associating all Morally conservative Christians with Westboro Baptists sure seems like a bigoted statement. Throw in the fact that Westboro Baptist is about 40 or 50 people from Kansas and there is NO reason to include them in an analysis about Iowa. Make that analogy with ethnic minorities and negative stereotypes and you'd be called worse than a Bigot, the "R word" Racist would be thrown at you.

Honestly after seeing some of the entrance polls I think this is a 2 man race between Santorum and Paul. I don't think Romney will be a major factor tonight. I could be wrong.

(01-03-2012 08:37 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:27 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

Associating all Morally conservative Christians with Westboro Baptists sure seems like a bigoted statement. Throw in the fact that Westboro Baptist is about 40 or 50 people from Kansas and there is NO reason to include them in an analysis about Iowa. Make that analogy with ethnic minorities and negative stereotypes and you'd be called worse than a Bigot, the "R word" Racist would be thrown at you.

Being morally conservative and part of the Christian right voting block are 2 different things. You can be morally conservative but not intent on forcing your views on others by making it the law of the land. So you have a voting block whose primary decision on voting is to enforce theirs and westboro’s agenda, how is stating that being a bigot?

(01-03-2012 09:00 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:37 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:27 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

Associating all Morally conservative Christians with Westboro Baptists sure seems like a bigoted statement. Throw in the fact that Westboro Baptist is about 40 or 50 people from Kansas and there is NO reason to include them in an analysis about Iowa. Make that analogy with ethnic minorities and negative stereotypes and you'd be called worse than a Bigot, the "R word" Racist would be thrown at you.

Being morally conservative and part of the Christian right voting block are 2 different things. You can be morally conservative but not intent on forcing your views on others by making it the law of the land. So you have a voting block whose primary decision on voting is to enforce theirs and westboro’s agenda, how is stating that being a bigot?

INTENT ON FORCING YOUR VIEWS ON OTHERS BY MAKING IT THE LAW OF THE LAND... HMMM Kind of like HOMOSEXUALS do with redefining the Religious institution of marriage? Kind of like HOMOSEXUALS in California do passing a law to require teaching specifically about HOMOSEXUALS contributions to history. Most Christians aren't trying to CHANGE the law.

(01-03-2012 09:00 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:37 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:27 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 07:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  No idea, but my guess is:

1 Santorum - The westboro Baptist/religious right crowd is pretty avid
2 Romney - has a solid base of 20-25%
3 Paul - Does well in caucus, but will not get much of the 60% westboro followers vote, plus demand for fruitcake falls after xmass.
4 Gingrich - will get some anti Romney vote
5 Perry - will lose votes to santorum since santorum has momentium
6 Bachmann- see #5. However she may have a stronger loyal base that turns out in Iowa. Only one that will probably drop out

Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

Associating all Morally conservative Christians with Westboro Baptists sure seems like a bigoted statement. Throw in the fact that Westboro Baptist is about 40 or 50 people from Kansas and there is NO reason to include them in an analysis about Iowa. Make that analogy with ethnic minorities and negative stereotypes and you'd be called worse than a Bigot, the "R word" Racist would be thrown at you.

Being morally conservative and part of the Christian right voting block are 2 different things. You can be morally conservative but not intent on forcing your views on others by making it the law of the land. So you have a voting block whose primary decision on voting is to enforce theirs and westboro’s agenda, how is stating that being a bigot?

So, Christians are suppose to keep their views to themselves and just accept your views being forced on them. Gotcha.

(01-03-2012 09:10 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 09:00 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:37 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:27 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

Associating all Morally conservative Christians with Westboro Baptists sure seems like a bigoted statement. Throw in the fact that Westboro Baptist is about 40 or 50 people from Kansas and there is NO reason to include them in an analysis about Iowa. Make that analogy with ethnic minorities and negative stereotypes and you'd be called worse than a Bigot, the "R word" Racist would be thrown at you.

Being morally conservative and part of the Christian right voting block are 2 different things. You can be morally conservative but not intent on forcing your views on others by making it the law of the land. So you have a voting block whose primary decision on voting is to enforce theirs and westboro’s agenda, how is stating that being a bigot?

INTENT ON FORCING YOUR VIEWS ON OTHERS BY MAKING IT THE LAW OF THE LAND... HMMM Kind of like HOMOSEXUALS do with redefining the Religious institution of marriage? Kind of like HOMOSEXUALS in California do passing a law to require teaching specifically about HOMOSEXUALS contributions to history. Most Christians aren't trying to CHANGE the law.

There is the religious institution of marriage and the legal institution of marriage. I do not recall saying "christian".

(01-03-2012 09:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 09:00 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:37 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:27 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Wow! What a bigoted remark.

why is that bigoted. They are advid voting for their cause.

Associating all Morally conservative Christians with Westboro Baptists sure seems like a bigoted statement. Throw in the fact that Westboro Baptist is about 40 or 50 people from Kansas and there is NO reason to include them in an analysis about Iowa. Make that analogy with ethnic minorities and negative stereotypes and you'd be called worse than a Bigot, the "R word" Racist would be thrown at you.

Being morally conservative and part of the Christian right voting block are 2 different things. You can be morally conservative but not intent on forcing your views on others by making it the law of the land. So you have a voting block whose primary decision on voting is to enforce theirs and westboro’s agenda, how is stating that being a bigot?

So, Christians are suppose to keep their views to themselves and just accept your views being forced on them. Gotcha.

I said religious right voting block enforcing thier views as laws on others. like the Taliban. Christians (of which I am one), and any one is entitled to have a view or opinion.

Newt...Perry...Crazywoman...all pack their bags and head home after being embarrassed by Santorum. They simply do not have the cash to continue and will pack it in.

Perry has the moolah. Gingrich has to keep running to sell books to pay back the 500k he owes Tiffany's.

(01-02-2012 10:11 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Iowa Caucus is tomorrow, figured we could offer up some predictions.

My prediction:

1. Romney
2. Santorum
3. Paul

Couple of reasons:

Romney has the front runner momentum and Paul has faded. I think the media exposure he got when he was leading in Iowa actually hurt him. Paul does well as a spoiler/fun candidate. He doesn't play as a front runner. I think a decent bit of the conservative vote is going rally around Santorum. He has lived in Iowa for over a year and I think he'll be rewarded for that work. It will mainly be the conservatives that don't like Romney but won't vote Paul either.

I also think the perceived slide for Paul and the fact that Romney appears to be ahead will hurt him as well. The democrats that would have come out for Paul may just sit it out. Also there is no snow expected tomorrow, just very cold. Snow would have pushed Paul over the line I think because his support is the most fervent. But since there will be no weather issues I think that's neutralized.

I will say that this could go any number of ways. But since we're a day out gotta settle on something.

Should have stuck to my guns on this one it looks like.