(12-21-2011 12:42 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:37 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:32 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:10 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:07 AM)boyce Wrote:  Pastner shouldn't have certain people on schollys. This is big business. You can't be a nice guy to everyone on this level and reward someone who has no chance of contributing with a scholly. Things like this can happen. This is not a school for the "Rudy's" of the world to take up a valuable ride.

Pastner should evaluate certain players after this season and help find them new homes.

So who's scolly would you like to pull?

scholarships are for one year .. we cannot pull any scholarships --

This is true but he doesn't have to renew them. It's just my opinion but in the future he should think long and hard on rewarding a scholly to a player who will never significantly contribute. It should be a business decision at this level for Pastner, not a personal one.

How many times have you ever seen a high school player graduate early and want to start in the spring semester so they can play basketball the second semester ? Be honest and don't google it.

Daniel Hackett USC, Bill Walker K-State, Alex Murphy Duke

(12-21-2011 12:57 AM)Nirvana1988 Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:42 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:37 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:32 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:10 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  So who's scolly would you like to pull?

scholarships are for one year .. we cannot pull any scholarships --

This is true but he doesn't have to renew them. It's just my opinion but in the future he should think long and hard on rewarding a scholly to a player who will never significantly contribute. It should be a business decision at this level for Pastner, not a personal one.

How many times have you ever seen a high school player graduate early and want to start in the spring semester so they can play basketball the second semester ? Be honest and don't google it.

Daniel Hackett USC, Bill Walker K-State, Alex Murphy Duke

I said not to google it. LOL

What I am most shocked about is that Stokes could be eligible to play college basketball this year, period.

I am just surprised that with all the rules in the NCAA phone book, they never wrote a rule that said, "if you are taking classes in high school in the fall, you can't play in college in the spring."

If he does play next semester will this make him eligible for the NBA draft this summer?

This seems like it would open up the door for lots of high school students (through summer school or through those private basketball schools like Oak Hill) to graduate early and then go to college a year early. That way you could get into the NBA a year early.

This is a smart move by Stokes if this is his end game and he is good enough to play in the NBA.

However, my guess is the NCAA sees this loophole and doesn't clear him to play, because they would lose a lot of money if they only had freshman stars for half a season instead of a full year.

have to be out of HS for a year to be eligible for the draft

(12-21-2011 12:56 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:48 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:42 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:37 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:32 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  scholarships are for one year .. we cannot pull any scholarships --

This is true but he doesn't have to renew them. It's just my opinion but in the future he should think long and hard on rewarding a scholly to a player who will never significantly contribute. It should be a business decision at this level for Pastner, not a personal one.

How many times have you ever seen a high school player graduate early and want to start in the spring semester so they can play basketball the second semester ? Be honest and don't google it.

Why should that matter? It's happened now and we're without a scholly because there's "multiple" in use by players that have no business playing at this level. To top it off, he's redshirting them which allows another extra yr.

So, you can't answer it? I've seen it once in my entire life. (Dawkins at Duke)

And, are you sure redshirting a player automatically uses up the scholly for the next season? That doesn't sound right.

You're not getting my point. It really doesn't matter about a HS player unexpectedly graduating early. An open scholly that's "not" in use by an inferior talent could've possibly been used to attract a player like Jabari Brown or Khem Birch, which were mid-term transfers. This isn't just about Stokes but rather about a coach who needs to have more foresight on and off the court.

(12-21-2011 01:00 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:57 AM)Nirvana1988 Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:42 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:37 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:32 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  scholarships are for one year .. we cannot pull any scholarships --

This is true but he doesn't have to renew them. It's just my opinion but in the future he should think long and hard on rewarding a scholly to a player who will never significantly contribute. It should be a business decision at this level for Pastner, not a personal one.

How many times have you ever seen a high school player graduate early and want to start in the spring semester so they can play basketball the second semester ? Be honest and don't google it.

Daniel Hackett USC, Bill Walker K-State, Alex Murphy Duke

I said not to google it. LOL

I didn't, i remember it off memory alone, I remember both Daniel Hackett and Bill Walker because they was to be apart of 2 big recruiting classes and came out early, also ironically they both got hurt they freshman year. I remember Alex Murphy because he did last year and got redshirted

I didn't realize Tebow did it and it seems LOTS of football players do. I can see the advantages for football players moreso than basketball players.

(12-21-2011 01:20 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  I didn't realize Tebow did it and it seems LOTS of football players do. I can see the advantages for football players moreso than basketball players.

Yea. It is not uncommon for some schools to have 8-10 FB players a year that enroll early. Some JUCO, some HS.

With football, it is offseason for college and HS season is over. They get the spring weight room workouts and get to go through spring practice and get through that adjustment to college phase a little earlier than they would if they showed up in June or July.

Yep. Actually makes ALOT of sense.

Chatt,

If that's the case, I just don't see how the NCAA lets him play. Because everyone knows that the kid is doing this because he/his parents screwed up and he wasn't eligible to play his senior year in high school

Let's say he turns out to be the most dominant player in college basketball, would the NCAA really want to deal with all the scrutiny that will come with how they are "exploiting a great player for more than they should be allowed to." I could already see the columns being written.

Also, Let's say he leads a team to the Final Four, Would the NCAA really want all the stories about how, "Here's a kid who couldn't make it through his senior year in high school so "He just bypassed all that nonsense and went straight to the Final Four."

(12-21-2011 01:18 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:56 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:48 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:42 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:37 AM)boyce Wrote:  This is true but he doesn't have to renew them. It's just my opinion but in the future he should think long and hard on rewarding a scholly to a player who will never significantly contribute. It should be a business decision at this level for Pastner, not a personal one.

How many times have you ever seen a high school player graduate early and want to start in the spring semester so they can play basketball the second semester ? Be honest and don't google it.

Why should that matter? It's happened now and we're without a scholly because there's "multiple" in use by players that have no business playing at this level. To top it off, he's redshirting them which allows another extra yr.

So, you can't answer it? I've seen it once in my entire life. (Dawkins at Duke)

And, are you sure redshirting a player automatically uses up the scholly for the next season? That doesn't sound right.

You're not getting my point. It really doesn't matter about a HS player unexpectedly graduating early. An open scholly that's "not" in use by an inferior talent could've possibly been used to attract a player like Jabari Brown or Khem Birch, which were mid-term transfers. This isn't just about Stokes but rather about a coach who needs to have more foresight on and off the court.

On the other hand, when you're shorthanded at a position it's smart to have insurance and with bigs that often means a project. If SR didn't shoot down Mbakwe things would be different

(12-21-2011 01:28 AM)TIGERBANDIT Wrote:  Chatt,

If that's the case, I just don't see how the NCAA lets him play. Because everyone knows that the kid is doing this because he/his parents screwed up and he wasn't eligible to play his senior year in high school

Let's say he turns out to be the most dominant player in college basketball, would the NCAA really want to deal with all the scrutiny that will come with how they are "exploiting a great player for more than they should be allowed to." I could already see the columns being written.

Also, Let's say he leads a team to the Final Four, Would the NCAA really want all the stories about how, "Here's a kid who couldn't make it through his senior year in high school so "He just bypassed all that nonsense and went straight to the Final Four."

he's not going to a school that will compete for an NCAA title. especially if he is throwing away 2/3 or a season because he thinks he'll go pro early, which is a stretch. There is no way the NCAA can't let him play if his transcript is really in order (not sure how he managed to get a full year of senior English in one semester, but maybe he took two credits this semester? Easy to have enough total credits to graduate, not easy to have the right ones unless you've been planning ahead).

It's just another in the long example of high school athletes having the circumstances around them manipulated to meet someone else's plan. Hope it turns out well for him in the long run, but history (as Tony Harris can attest) isn't on his side.

OK, I think it's time to settle down on all of this and maybe look at losing Stokes as a blessing in disguise.

As much as we should be disappointed with not getting the best player out of Memphis this year, Let's put ourselves in Pastner's position.

We have a kid and a family who decided to transfer from one high school to another high school for no real reason. Then when they figure out that this wasn't allowed they come up with this crazy scheme to jump immediately into college basketball, and they only want to play for a school that will let them do it.

Huh?????

It seems to me that the family has made a mistake, and instead of living with the consequences they are trying to teach their kid that there is always an easy shortcut to everything.

This family sounds like a total headache, and something that has disaster written all over it.

Like I say. Blessing in disguise.

(12-21-2011 01:30 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 01:18 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:56 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:48 AM)boyce Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 12:42 AM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  How many times have you ever seen a high school player graduate early and want to start in the spring semester so they can play basketball the second semester ? Be honest and don't google it.

Why should that matter? It's happened now and we're without a scholly because there's "multiple" in use by players that have no business playing at this level. To top it off, he's redshirting them which allows another extra yr.

So, you can't answer it? I've seen it once in my entire life. (Dawkins at Duke)

And, are you sure redshirting a player automatically uses up the scholly for the next season? That doesn't sound right.

You're not getting my point. It really doesn't matter about a HS player unexpectedly graduating early. An open scholly that's "not" in use by an inferior talent could've possibly been used to attract a player like Jabari Brown or Khem Birch, which were mid-term transfers. This isn't just about Stokes but rather about a coach who needs to have more foresight on and off the court.

On the other hand, when you're shorthanded at a position it's smart to have insurance and with bigs that often means a project. If SR didn't shoot down Mbakwe things would be different

I can see your point. In that case, I wonder who scouted a few of our players. I hate to mention names but it seems like some of the bigs we've played against on lesser teams have given us fits and sure look more effective than our 12th and 13th man on the bench who doesn't play and was more highly recruited.

(12-21-2011 01:38 AM)TIGERBANDIT Wrote:  OK, I think it's time to settle down on all of this and maybe look at losing Stokes as a blessing in disguise.

As much as we should be disappointed with not getting the best player out of Memphis this year, Let's put ourselves in Pastner's position.

We have a kid and a family who decided to transfer from one high school to another high school for no real reason. Then when they figure out that this wasn't allowed they come up with this crazy scheme to jump immediately into college basketball, and they only want to play for a school that will let them do it.

Huh?????

It seems to me that the family has made a mistake, and instead of living with the consequences they are trying to teach their kid that there is always an easy shortcut to everything.

This sounds like a total headache, and something that has disaster written all over it.

Like I say. Blessing in disguise.

I don't see how losing a top 25 player that's in your own backyard is a blessing in disguise, given our lack of a post presence.

Wherever he goes, how many games is he likely to play this season. 15? Maybe a few more with a conference tournament or post season tournament.

If he is that good? Good enough to parlay half a season of college ball into a professional contract? I doubt the NBA can draft him and even if they can, the 2012 draft is loaded with talent that stayed in school because they knew the lockout was coming. He will not be a first round pick.

I think wherever he goes, he will be there for the 2012-2013 school year.

Chatt,

It's my opinion that the NCAA can do whatever they want. They can declare him inegible this winter and let the courts decide. By the time the legal process had played out, the season will be over and it will be too late.

If the NCAA doesn't think letting a kid who was in high school in the fall play college basketball in the winter is in their best interest, they will just not clear him to play. Then they can clear it up through their rules in the summer, that no kid who attends high school in the fall can play college basketball in the winter. It's really that simple.

Boyce,

If I am Josh Pastner I am looking long term.

I would be thinking that I am an up-and-coming coach and a media darling (THE CBS GUYS WERE PRACTICALLY DROOLING OVER HIM ON SATURDAY) with a tremendously bright future.

If I see a red flag like Stokes appears to be, I say no thanks, no matter how much of an upgrade he may give my post-presence this season.

You think Coach K would want anything to do with this fiasco???

So he can play if he doesn't get any money from Memphis...

So he can get the hope Scholly and financial aid if he needs it...So that amounts to him needing to borrow 4-5 Thousand bucks.

Nice little chunk of change, but if he is what he thinks he is it is a drop in the bucket.

(12-21-2011 01:57 AM)TIGERBANDIT Wrote:  Boyce,

If I am Josh Pastner I am looking long term.

I would be thinking that I am an up-and-coming coach and a media darling with a tremendously bright future.

If I see a red flag like Stokes appears to be, I say no thanks, no matter how much of an upgrade he may give my post-presence this season.

You think Coach K would want anything to do with this fiasco???

I would think coaching and helping to change the attitude of someone who's seen as difficult would make you more of a "media darling" as you put it. Also, Coach K has earned the right not to take chances. Pastner isn't in that position yet.