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GOP undercuts Polling credibility
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/...y-hackers/

Just in case they need a future excuse to throw out the results...
12-19-2011 01:41 PM
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RE: GOP undercuts Polling credibility
The future is here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-1588.html

Quote:Iowa President
PPP (D)
Paul 23
Romney 20
Gingrich 14
Perry 10
Bachmann 10
Santorum 10
Huntsman 4
Cain
Paul +3.0


Iowa President
Insider Advantage
Paul 24
Romney 18
Gingrich 13
Perry 16
Bachmann 10
Santorum 3
Huntsman 4
Cain
Paul +6.0
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RE: GOP undercuts Polling credibility
(12-19-2011 01:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/...y-hackers/

Just in case they need a future excuse to throw out the results...

03-lmfao right on schedule


I figured they would go for the same old racist newsletter tripe (The Weekly Standard already has their hit piece out), but the Austin NAACP President has already went on record as saying Paul is not a racist, and is the only Republican candidate who is addressing black criminal justice inequality. So uh ... guess that kinda undercuts that attack.
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RE: GOP undercuts Polling credibility
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/se...&sort=date

oh fox, feel free to report after you decide how to spin it.
12-19-2011 01:53 PM
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They're so caught off guard they don't know how to spin it. They've been saying Ron Paul had no chance whatsoever for so long, they believed it.
12-19-2011 02:02 PM
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you know I saw this article and the first thing I thought was...I'll bet they're saying this to discredit RP's lead in Iowa.

Wow...you guys are out there. I'm not even a big Fox News fan...(I do watch them some though) and I don't see the connection. Maybe you should take off the tin foil hat.
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It's not about current polling but it's an excuse some might use if Paul pulls off the win, as he's apparently now poised to do.

In an ironic twist, those claiming a hack job will be the tin foil hatters.
12-19-2011 02:30 PM
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RE: GOP undercuts Polling credibility
(12-19-2011 02:30 PM)Max Power Wrote:  It's not about current polling but it's an excuse some might use if Paul pulls off the win, as he's apparently now poised to do.

In an ironic twist, those claiming a hack job will be the tin foil hatters.

Doubtful...

For people who claim to loathe Fox news you people spend more time there than anyone I know.
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(12-19-2011 02:34 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 02:30 PM)Max Power Wrote:  It's not about current polling but it's an excuse some might use if Paul pulls off the win, as he's apparently now poised to do.

In an ironic twist, those claiming a hack job will be the tin foil hatters.

Doubtful...

For people who claim to loathe Fox news you people spend more time there than anyone I know.

It's forced upon me as conversing with 2 out of 3 people in the SC GOP is like pulling the cord on an O'Reilly/Hannity talking point speak and say.

*pulls cord* The cow says... moooooooooooooooo
*pulls cord* Paul is isolationist ... unelecttttaaaaableeeeeeeeeeeeee
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BTW, that's not to say other outlets for "news" are any better.

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(12-19-2011 02:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW, that's not to say other outlets for "news" are any better.

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Wow...that's sad. I disagree with some of his politics but give the guy a fair shake.
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(12-19-2011 02:36 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 02:34 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 02:30 PM)Max Power Wrote:  It's not about current polling but it's an excuse some might use if Paul pulls off the win, as he's apparently now poised to do.

In an ironic twist, those claiming a hack job will be the tin foil hatters.

Doubtful...

For people who claim to loathe Fox news you people spend more time there than anyone I know.

It's forced upon me as conversing with 2 out of 3 people in the SC GOP is like pulling the cord on an O'Reilly/Hannity talking point speak and say.

*pulls cord* The cow says... moooooooooooooooo
*pulls cord* Paul is isolationist ... unelecttttaaaaableeeeeeeeeeeeee

I guess if Obama got elected with no business experience and a resume of community organizer well I just guess Paul could get elected too! 05-stirthepot
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RE: GOP undercuts Polling credibility
(12-19-2011 01:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/...y-hackers/

Just in case they need a future excuse to throw out the results...

03-lmfao right on schedule


I figured they would go for the same old racist newsletter tripe (The Weekly Standard already has their hit piece out), but the Austin NAACP President has already went on record as saying Paul is not a racist, and is the only Republican candidate who is addressing black criminal justice inequality. So uh ... guess that kinda undercuts that attack.

Why shouldn't Paul be questioned on this? Numerous publications with his name on them have published outlandish conspiracy theories and racist articles. Why is it not legitimate to question that?

Did he have no editoral control? Did he just make a mistake in allowing it to be put in there? Was it done without his knowledge?

These are all legitimate questions that should be asked and it's not out of bounds to do so.
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(12-19-2011 02:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW, that's not to say other outlets for "news" are any better.

[Image: OlgYU.png]

I don't see what's wrong with that. The headline is about a new national poll, not Iowa. Gingrich and Romney are still tied nationally.
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(12-19-2011 02:59 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/...y-hackers/

Just in case they need a future excuse to throw out the results...

03-lmfao right on schedule


I figured they would go for the same old racist newsletter tripe (The Weekly Standard already has their hit piece out), but the Austin NAACP President has already went on record as saying Paul is not a racist, and is the only Republican candidate who is addressing black criminal justice inequality. So uh ... guess that kinda undercuts that attack.

Why shouldn't Paul be questioned on this? Numerous publications with his name on them have published outlandish conspiracy theories and racist articles. Why is it not legitimate to question that?

Did he have no editoral control? Did he just make a mistake in allowing it to be put in there? Was it done without his knowledge?

These are all legitimate questions that should be asked and it's not out of bounds to do so.

I agree, he needs to address this more. How involved was he? If he didn't write it, he did read it, didn't he? I mean, if there was a newsletter with my name on it I know I'd at least read them. If he did, why didn't he stop it?
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(12-19-2011 03:06 PM)Max Power Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 02:59 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/...y-hackers/

Just in case they need a future excuse to throw out the results...

03-lmfao right on schedule


I figured they would go for the same old racist newsletter tripe (The Weekly Standard already has their hit piece out), but the Austin NAACP President has already went on record as saying Paul is not a racist, and is the only Republican candidate who is addressing black criminal justice inequality. So uh ... guess that kinda undercuts that attack.

Why shouldn't Paul be questioned on this? Numerous publications with his name on them have published outlandish conspiracy theories and racist articles. Why is it not legitimate to question that?

Did he have no editoral control? Did he just make a mistake in allowing it to be put in there? Was it done without his knowledge?

These are all legitimate questions that should be asked and it's not out of bounds to do so.

I agree, he needs to address this more. How involved was he? If he didn't write it, he did read it, didn't he? I mean, if there was a newsletter with my name on it I know I'd at least read them. If he did, why didn't he stop it?

He addressed the newsletter stuff four years ago. He accepted moral responsibility for it as it is, at the end of the day, the newsletter with his name on it. He said, multiple times, he didn't write it, nor does he have regular responsibilities editing the paper. It was published though, and folks are going to believe what they want to believe.
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(12-19-2011 01:53 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/se...&sort=date

oh fox, feel free to report after you decide how to spin it.

Anyone want to guess on how long it takes before Fox/RNC tries to blame the Democrats for a potential RP victory in Iowa?

That way they can continue to marginalize Paul, throw out Paul's victory, and get a low blow jab in on the Democratic party.
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(12-19-2011 01:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/...y-hackers/

Just in case they need a future excuse to throw out the results...

03-lmfao right on schedule


I figured they would go for the same old racist newsletter tripe (The Weekly Standard already has their hit piece out), but the Austin NAACP President has already went on record as saying Paul is not a racist, and is the only Republican candidate who is addressing black criminal justice inequality. So uh ... guess that kinda undercuts that attack.

Here is a guy who knows his stuff going on Hannity to defend Ron Paul:

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(12-19-2011 01:47 PM)Max Power Wrote:  The future is here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-1588.html

Quote:Iowa President
PPP (D)
Paul 23
Romney 20
Gingrich 14
Perry 10
Bachmann 10
Santorum 10
Huntsman 4
Cain
Paul +3.0


Iowa President
Insider Advantage
Paul 24
Romney 18
Gingrich 13
Perry 16
Bachmann 10
Santorum 3
Huntsman 4
Cain
Paul +6.0

The big advantage for Paul over most in Iowa is that he has actually built an organization that can GOTV. Wherever Paul is polling going into the Caucus, you can expect his % in the actual vote to be 1-5% higher than the polling. Romney has "secretly" been spending tons of money on phone banks and GOTV operations in Iowa as well so his % should be a few points higher too.
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Proof that liberals are going after him just as hard. Towards the middle of this show the host uses the quotes from the newsletter acting as if Ron Paul said them himself with a quick preface of "We can't know if he wrote this or if someone wrote it for him."

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