(12-19-2011 01:11 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 02:49 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 11:09 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  There is nothing in your post of substance other than to reinforce the stereotype of the typical liberal dumb ass with no clue as to what the real world is about. More DUMGrad nonsense for everyone to see.

It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

It doesn't bother you that the queens are spending and living off YOUR money?

Yet another right-winger that embraces Reagan's racist terminology.

I was just watching a documentary on HBO called "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia". They are a huge family who are not minority members, and yet also abuse the system with a sense of entitlement.

I disagree this is a race issue. It's a social issue that is spreading with each generation that is brought up in the same manner. It is only compounded by the issue of younger generations wanting it now with instant gratification, and our society's lack of teaching our younger generation a sense of values.

It's all a real shame. Some sort of accountability will have to be instituted at some point. And I'm not even a conservative- maybe fiscal lol.

Do you have any evidence beyond anecdotal stories that the sense of entitlement is spreading with each generation? I know right-wingers, the great defenders of the ultra-wealthy and great proponents of class warfare, desperately want to convince everyone that welfare abuse is out of control, and they certainly spin stories to try to make that case; but I've seen little empirical evidence to suggest that such stories are anything more than isolated individual cases.

For UMGrad to make this racial must mean UMGrad thinks all black people are on government assistance.

I think it's clear who the racist is.

(12-19-2011 08:33 AM)Rebel Wrote:  For UMGrad to make this racial must mean UMGrad thinks all black people are on government assistance.

I think it's clear who the racist is.

UMGrad, like most liberals, wants to keep blacks on the the democratic plantation. That's why Cain and Thomas or example are such a threat.

Black's are nothing more than votes to liberals. They'll do whatever it takes to ensure those keep coming in.

(12-17-2011 11:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 04:54 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There's nothing to the article but a few anecdotes meant to reinforce stereotypes common among right-wingers. There's certainly nothing there that should influence policy.

There is nothing in your post of substance other than to reinforce the stereotype of the typical liberal dumb ass with no clue as to what the real world is about. More DUMGrad nonsense for everyone to see.

It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

Well...All I have to say is this....I am a Liberal...in the PUREST sense of the word. YOU and your ilk are Socialists. I suggest you educate yourself on the difference.

Thew context of this board is discussing current American politics, not 19 century European politics. Libertarians/ classical liberals sort of have some philosophies that fall in both parties in the US.

So by the rules of this board, if you ejaculate to Connie conservative’s stereotype baiting, then you must either be a closeted Conservative or bi.

(12-19-2011 08:33 AM)Rebel Wrote:  For UMGrad to make this racial must mean UMGrad thinks all black people are on government assistance.

I think it's clear who the racist is.

DUMGrad is clueless. He evidently has not been in the South and watched the sorry ass white trailer trash I see on a regular basis abuse the system. I see nothing racial about this. It is all about having some damn respect for ones self and their neighbors. Sorry ass white..or sorry ass black..both are worthless piles.

My father told me long ago..."If you want to be successful...go do what successful people do. If you want to be a bum...go do what bum's do." It is not that complicated.

(12-18-2011 11:09 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 04:54 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There's nothing to the article but a few anecdotes meant to reinforce stereotypes common among right-wingers. There's certainly nothing there that should influence policy.

There is nothing in your post of substance other than to reinforce the stereotype of the typical liberal dumb ass with no clue as to what the real world is about. More DUMGrad nonsense for everyone to see.

It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

It doesn't bother you that the queens are spending and living off YOUR money?

I would need to know your definition of “queens”. What bothers me is when people abuse the system, of which I am sure there are some. I do not mind my tax dollars going to help someone who actually needs help

(12-19-2011 09:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 11:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 04:54 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There's nothing to the article but a few anecdotes meant to reinforce stereotypes common among right-wingers. There's certainly nothing there that should influence policy.

There is nothing in your post of substance other than to reinforce the stereotype of the typical liberal dumb ass with no clue as to what the real world is about. More DUMGrad nonsense for everyone to see.

It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

Well...All I have to say is this....I am a Liberal...in the PUREST sense of the word. YOU and your ilk are Socialists. I suggest you educate yourself on the difference.

Thew context of this board is discussing current American politics, not 19 century European politics. Libertarians/ classical liberals sort of have some philosophies that fall in both parties in the US.

So by the rules of this board, if you ejaculate to Connie conservative’s stereotype baiting, then you must either be a closeted Conservative or bi.

Unlike you...I could not give 2 sh!ts about either gang. I know that they BOTH represent a danger to my freedom. I can however discern the truth when it is presented...by either of them.

I think they should have government food banks with white-label "B-rated" foods like the old government cheese. If I, the taxpayer, has to pay for your sustenance, you DAMN sure shouldn't be eating better than me. We don't even feed our service members as good as these leeches.

(12-19-2011 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 09:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 11:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 11:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  There is nothing in your post of substance other than to reinforce the stereotype of the typical liberal dumb ass with no clue as to what the real world is about. More DUMGrad nonsense for everyone to see.

It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

Well...All I have to say is this....I am a Liberal...in the PUREST sense of the word. YOU and your ilk are Socialists. I suggest you educate yourself on the difference.

Thew context of this board is discussing current American politics, not 19 century European politics. Libertarians/ classical liberals sort of have some philosophies that fall in both parties in the US.

So by the rules of this board, if you ejaculate to Connie conservative’s stereotype baiting, then you must either be a closeted Conservative or bi.

Unlike you...I could not give 2 sh!ts about either gang. I know that they BOTH represent a danger to my freedom. I can however discern the truth when it is presented...by either of them.

I actually agree with most of your post, and you are fairly consistent. On some issues I am on the right, others on the left, some in the middle (based on current American political parties). I, and many of us, do not fit a specific bucket.
But this specific thread is regarding a blog from Connie conservative that I consider nothing but baiting stereotypes. In this thread you also called for tighter government rules on what they can spend their food budget on, which contradicts with your normal stance, and fits in with the current right wing philosophy.

(12-19-2011 10:02 AM)dcCid Wrote:  But this specific thread is regarding a blog from Connie conservative that I consider nothing but baiting stereotypes. In this thread you also called for tighter government rules on what they can spend their food budget on, which contradicts with your normal stance, and fits in with the current right wing philosophy.

I've experienced the same type of **** when I worked at Kroger in Jackson, Ms. I experience it to this day whenever I go to certain grocery stores in Augusta. It's not a stereotype; it's the truth and it's more prevalent than you seem to believe.

(12-19-2011 09:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  I think they should have government food banks with white-label "B-rated" foods like the old government cheese. If I, the taxpayer, has to pay for your sustenance, you DAMN sure shouldn't be eating better than me. We don't even feed our service members as good as these leeches.

What happened to personal responsibility and less government controls?

This week at my local Safeway: Pork loin and boneless chicken breast are 2.99 a lb, 80% lean hamburger is 3.49 a lb.
Prime rib is $6.99 and Filet mignon is 11.99 a lb.

For all we know they could have saved to splurge some at Christmas when some of this stuff is on sale.

So this “queen” may be a smart shopper (although I bought a ham at 1.29 a lb). This queen could be educated and cooking healthy.

(12-19-2011 10:10 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 09:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  I think they should have government food banks with white-label "B-rated" foods like the old government cheese. If I, the taxpayer, has to pay for your sustenance, you DAMN sure shouldn't be eating better than me. We don't even feed our service members as good as these leeches.

What happened to personal responsibility and less government controls?

This week at my local Safeway: Pork loin and boneless chicken breast are 2.99 a lb, 80% lean hamburger is 3.49 a lb.
Prime rib is $6.99 and Filet mignon is 11.99 a lb.

For all we know they could have saved to splurge some at Christmas when some of this stuff is on sale.

So this “queen” may be a smart shopper (although I bought a ham at 1.29 a lb). This queen could be educated and cooking healthy.

The welfare queen can splurge when she gets a job and stops using my tax dollars to feed her sorry ass.

(12-19-2011 10:02 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 09:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 09:28 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 11:24 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

Well...All I have to say is this....I am a Liberal...in the PUREST sense of the word. YOU and your ilk are Socialists. I suggest you educate yourself on the difference.

Thew context of this board is discussing current American politics, not 19 century European politics. Libertarians/ classical liberals sort of have some philosophies that fall in both parties in the US.

So by the rules of this board, if you ejaculate to Connie conservative’s stereotype baiting, then you must either be a closeted Conservative or bi.

Unlike you...I could not give 2 sh!ts about either gang. I know that they BOTH represent a danger to my freedom. I can however discern the truth when it is presented...by either of them.

I actually agree with most of your post, and you are fairly consistent. On some issues I am on the right, others on the left, some in the middle (based on current American political parties). I, and many of us, do not fit a specific bucket.
But this specific thread is regarding a blog from Connie conservative that I consider nothing but baiting stereotypes. In this thread you also called for tighter government rules on what they can spend their food budget on, which contradicts with your normal stance, and fits in with the current right wing philosophy.

If I had my way...there would be NO welfare programs and private charity would be left to handle this. I know however that is not going to happen..so..reluctantly, I advocate for tighter controls on these programs. You are correct...it is a contradiction. I look at it as a reduction in harm to those that are being stolen from to fund these programs. I believe the welfare system should be designed to provide very basic needs of those receiving benefits and have incentives installed such as I describe to motivate one to return to being a productive citizen. As it stands now...it acts as an incentive to remain on assistance. I understand that there are those that are actually unable to return to productivity and am not including this small segment of the recipients in my comments. I am willing to voluntarily help those in actual need for as long as it is required.

Also...It should be VERY hard to receive assistance. Today it is VERY easy. The bureaucrats that administer this system are actually incentivized to keep people on it. Every new recipient insures job security of the bureaucrats of which almost 80% of the welfare dollar goes to in salaries. Aprox. 20% actually goes to help people. The reverse is true in the private charity realm. Something is wrong here IMO.

(12-19-2011 10:06 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 10:02 AM)dcCid Wrote:  But this specific thread is regarding a blog from Connie conservative that I consider nothing but baiting stereotypes. In this thread you also called for tighter government rules on what they can spend their food budget on, which contradicts with your normal stance, and fits in with the current right wing philosophy.

I've experienced the same type of **** when I worked at Kroger in Jackson, Ms. I experience it to this day whenever I go to certain grocery stores in Augusta. It's not a stereotype; it's the truth and it's more prevalent than you seem to believe.

I am not saying it does not exist. I am not saying that people do not abuse the system. I am not saying that they system may need some tweaks or major repair.

I am saying that selecting a few cases where people are abusing the system, and/or are jerks, to imply that everyone on food stamps fits that stereotype is just feeding a stereotype that the audience what to use to rationalize their beliefs

Over the years, I have been behind many people using food stamps in DC. At times I get annoyed because it seems to take longer and I have to wait. I also thank god and count my blessings. I rarely notice abusive people using wic,, or whatever program being used. Although I admit I do look at what they are buying, and I get more frustrated when they are buying all junk, versus healthy foods.

All of us are concerned about welfare fraud and welfare waste.

I simply encourage those angry about the types of foods being purchased to re-think that concern; I feel that we should promote healthier eating for those on assistance as a measure to reduce the costs of obesity and healthcare spending.

(12-19-2011 02:20 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 01:11 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 02:49 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 11:09 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 10:34 PM)dcCid Wrote:  It sounds like a lot of you right wingers are jacking off to this girl's faux news like story. It must really feed your rationalization.

It doesn't bother you that the queens are spending and living off YOUR money?

Yet another right-winger that embraces Reagan's racist terminology.

I was just watching a documentary on HBO called "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia". They are a huge family who are not minority members, and yet also abuse the system with a sense of entitlement.

I disagree this is a race issue. It's a social issue that is spreading with each generation that is brought up in the same manner. It is only compounded by the issue of younger generations wanting it now with instant gratification, and our society's lack of teaching our younger generation a sense of values.

It's all a real shame. Some sort of accountability will have to be instituted at some point. And I'm not even a conservative- maybe fiscal lol.

Do you have any evidence beyond anecdotal stories that the sense of entitlement is spreading with each generation? I know right-wingers, the great defenders of the ultra-wealthy and great proponents of class warfare, desperately want to convince everyone that welfare abuse is out of control, and they certainly spin stories to try to make that case; but I've seen little empirical evidence to suggest that such stories are anything more than isolated individual cases.

How many "isolated individual cases" make up empirical evidence?

(12-19-2011 10:10 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 09:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  I think they should have government food banks with white-label "B-rated" foods like the old government cheese. If I, the taxpayer, has to pay for your sustenance, you DAMN sure shouldn't be eating better than me. We don't even feed our service members as good as these leeches.

What happened to personal responsibility and less government controls?

This week at my local Safeway: Pork loin and boneless chicken breast are 2.99 a lb, 80% lean hamburger is 3.49 a lb.
Prime rib is $6.99 and Filet mignon is 11.99 a lb.

For all we know they could have saved to splurge some at Christmas when some of this stuff is on sale.

So this “queen” may be a smart shopper (although I bought a ham at 1.29 a lb). This queen could be educated and cooking healthy.

Why doesn't this apply to the recipients of assistance?

(12-19-2011 10:54 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 02:20 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 01:11 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 02:49 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 11:09 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  It doesn't bother you that the queens are spending and living off YOUR money?

Yet another right-winger that embraces Reagan's racist terminology.

I was just watching a documentary on HBO called "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia". They are a huge family who are not minority members, and yet also abuse the system with a sense of entitlement.

I disagree this is a race issue. It's a social issue that is spreading with each generation that is brought up in the same manner. It is only compounded by the issue of younger generations wanting it now with instant gratification, and our society's lack of teaching our younger generation a sense of values.

It's all a real shame. Some sort of accountability will have to be instituted at some point. And I'm not even a conservative- maybe fiscal lol.

Do you have any evidence beyond anecdotal stories that the sense of entitlement is spreading with each generation? I know right-wingers, the great defenders of the ultra-wealthy and great proponents of class warfare, desperately want to convince everyone that welfare abuse is out of control, and they certainly spin stories to try to make that case; but I've seen little empirical evidence to suggest that such stories are anything more than isolated individual cases.

How many "isolated individual cases" make up empirical evidence?

Could you just try not being an idiot? I know that would be very, very, very, very very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very hard for you, but please try.

If you were to do random sampling of some subject (say welfare receipients) and found that an abnormal condition (say fraudulent claims) made up only a small percentage of the overall sample, then you would come to the obvious conclusion that, based on the empirical evidence, the abnormal condition (fraud) was rare (i.e. isolated).

(12-19-2011 08:33 AM)Rebel Wrote:  For UMGrad to make this racial must mean UMGrad thinks all black people are on government assistance.

I think it's clear who the racist is.

What is clear is who the idiot is. I'm referring to a phrase that entered our lexicon through Reagan's 1976 presidential campaign where he described a welfare queen on the southside of chicago driving a welfare cadillac. Given that the southside of Chicago is overwhelmingly black and that Regan's acknowledged election strategy was a southern strategy meant to appeal to white working-class southern men, the obvious conclusion is that his description is racially charged. The only people that would deny that are him and his fellow racists. That's why you will deny it.