(12-07-2011 11:15 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 08:54 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 07:31 PM)army56mike Wrote:  

Not that I necesarily want Fresno as part of this mess but you should at least have your data right. The Fresno media market is very misleading because of CA politics. The Fresno media market doesn't include Modesto or Bakersfield which is only 1.5 hours away and tied to Fresno in many ways. Both radio and cable extend far beyond the quoted "media market".

Look up the population of the San Joaquin Valley which Fresno sits in the middle of and is symbolized by the Green V on the back of the helmet: 4,223,808 http://www.greatvalley.org/pub_documents...h_2050.pdf

This also doesn't include the population of the Sacramento metro area which are reached by the Fresno radio stations. That is another million people or so and only 3 hours drive away. I live in Sac and drive to Fresno football games. In addition, the Valley has no Pro football teams and no BCS college teams as competition.

SDSU wants UNLV because they provide a better basketball team to take with them to the Big West so you won't get the real data from them. For anyone who really knows CA, which isn't the big east, the San Joaquin Valley is one of the largest untapped markets for football in the country

I am gonna stop you right here sactown dog. ECU has tried this argument for years. Raleigh is only 90 miles away and our Charlotte viewership is equal to UNC and NC. States. They don't care.

I hear you but let's be clear

Population of North Carolina - 9,535,483
Shared by 4 BCS teams and 1 Pro Team

Population of San Joaquin Valley - 4,223,808
Shared by 0 BCS teams and 0 Pro teams

It really isn't an identical situation




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North Carolina actually has 3 Pro teams, the Hurricanes (NHL), Bobcats (NBA), and Panthers (NFL)

Navy and Air Force are no goes. Temple and Memphis it is!

The problem with Temple....seriously....they are probably the most logical and balance commodity left.....but Villanova is blocking them. So IF say Villanova is willing to change their tune......but would demand to be supported for their own football upgrade in say 2016.....coming along with say Navy...would that be worth going after Temple?

Short version....would Temple be worth it IF you had to take Villanova football to get them?

(12-07-2011 11:57 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Navy and Air Force are no goes. Temple and Memphis it is!

Sounds good to me. Let's do it!

(12-07-2011 11:39 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 07:35 PM)TOGC Wrote:  ECU will never get in for the same reason USM will never get in.

No market.

End of story.

About as clear and concise as you can get. I just do not understand why some people can not realize this fact. It does not matter to the Big East how many fans you put in the stands. It does not matter to the Big East how good or bad of a program you have. The bottom line is clear regarding the Big East and their current expansion, TV sets in your local market. TV sets represent potential, the TV sets, the more TV revenue potential in the Big East's eyes. Outside of Boise St it is crystal clear that they value large markets over any other factor. We all know why Boise St was added even though they are not a large market school. My fellow ECU fans just need to accept the facts and move on....The Big East has no interest in ECU, we are located in a rural market thus we do not fit into their current business model.

You nailed it. I don't know why other ECU fans can't accept it.

Congratulations to all the big market schools that made the move. We can't pick our school up and move it, so there's no sense worrying about it. I'll be in the stands regardless. Let's make the alliance all it can be.

If further expansion takes place in the West..

Odds are that it will be UNLV/FS..

Good Markets/ Solid Recruiting/Great Potential- Also partner schools of SDSU & Boise..

(12-08-2011 12:11 AM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  If further expansion takes place in the West..

Odds are that it will be UNLV/FS..

Good Markets/ Solid Recruiting/Great Potential- Also partner schools of SDSU & Boise..

The problem with the West is they are only looking at football only members. UNLV is a nice market and is relatively close to Boise and San Diego....but who wants their football?!?

The only potential Western football onlies of value would be BYU and Fresno State. There is a big dropoff from there. Most of the value out West is in Basketball not so much in football....like UNLV, Utah State, SDSU, BYU.

I say sure....see if BYU is interested again....but assuming they are not....probably Memphis and Fresno State are your best bets. Memphis would eventually get a pulse in football again.

(12-08-2011 12:19 AM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(12-08-2011 12:11 AM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  If further expansion takes place in the West..

Odds are that it will be UNLV/FS..

Good Markets/ Solid Recruiting/Great Potential- Also partner schools of SDSU & Boise..

The problem with the West is they are only looking at football only members. UNLV is a nice market and is relatively close to Boise and San Diego....but who wants their football?!?

The only potential Western football onlies of value would be BYU and Fresno State. There is a big dropoff from there. Most of the value out West is in Basketball not so much in football....like UNLV, Utah State, SDSU, BYU.

I say sure....see if BYU is interested again....but assuming they are not....probably Memphis and Fresno State are your best bets. Memphis would eventually get a pulse in football again.

100% Agreed

If BYU is out I gotta Believe that FS/UNLV are on deck, and certainly at some point Memphis/Temple..

However, I believe that UNLV has the potential to be a really, really formidable program.. They would be a hell of a get.

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I hear you but let's be clear

Population of North Carolina - 9,535,483
Shared by 4 BCS teams and 1 Pro Team

Population of San Joaquin Valley - 4,223,808
Shared by 0 BCS teams and 0 Pro teams

It really isn't an identical situation




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There are 4 bcs teams but wake forest and duke are small private schools with no real following. Id say UNC is the most popular in the state(for basketball reasons) and nc state and ecu are on par if we arent close behind, with each other in terms of followings and graduates. The panthers have no effect on people cheering for ECU in this state. North Carolina is a college state similar to how georgia is with the atlanta falcons. The panthers draw well but while there are some there are not many who only follow the NFL like stats up north do.

Also to add to above if you are going to section of your state we can too. We can section off everything east of raleigh and we will have 0 BCS teams and 0 pro teams to compete with. Someone will have to come up with the population numbers though.

I've always respected and rooted for ECU- see them as somewhat of FS's Foil in the East- I dont think SactownDog is trying to offend anyone btw- but California is about 40 Million People and is much, much larger than NC. Fresno does dominate its greater region, there is no doubt that Fresno brings a much larger market.

Fresno will have a spot in this before its all said and done..

(12-08-2011 12:41 AM)jvllepirate Wrote:  Also to add to above if you are going to section of your state we can too. We can section off everything east of raleigh and we will have 0 BCS teams and 0 pro teams to compete with. Someone will have to come up with the population numbers though.

Sure & Fresno will have ten times the population that you have in your section of NC.

I really hope Fresno and Memphis get in this time. The BE has shown it has no interest in ECU and that's fine. I just want them to take Memphis so we can take Temple and upgrade our FB side and still keep a good BB team. Please take Memphis.

The Big East will go after Memphis and Temple.

It really depends on what the academies end up doing. If AFA is really really out, then what does Navy do? I know AF already has a conference, but Navy might be growing tired of independence. My preference is for them to try and help out basketball, which would be Temple and Memphis at this time.

My thinking on the Big East and its wishlist.

1.Navy
2. AFA
3. BYU
4. Memphis
5. Temple
6. Maybe Army

(12-07-2011 07:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Big East is really riding this dissolving of the AQ to the brink. Now, forget the athletic prowess of the schools youre adding. Just think about the market. This isnt very forward thinking. Conferences are made for decades. TV markets arent the future. Soon all sporting events will be broadcast online exclusively via memberships. This will reduce institutional value of a school to its actual following and or package subscription. Me thinks this way of thinking back fires in the long term.

What are you talking about? online via memberships? I watch FB online because I dont have cable and believe me watching TV online sucks. You think CBS, NBC, Fox and ESPN will be giving up broadcasting sports? TV markets ARE the future and collecting the best ones is a sure way to sustain your future.

Now i've heard all the ECU arguments! haha

(12-08-2011 12:39 AM)jvllepirate Wrote:  There are 4 bcs teams but wake forest and duke are small private schools with no real following. Id say UNC is the most popular in the state(for basketball reasons) and nc state and ecu are on par if we arent close behind, with each other in terms of followings and graduates. The panthers have no effect on people cheering for ECU in this state. North Carolina is a college state similar to how georgia is with the atlanta falcons. The panthers draw well but while there are some there are not many who only follow the NFL like stats up north do.

How far away are the pathers by drive time? If it is less than a couple hours then it is reasonable competition for the entertainment dollar.

Fresno is at best with traffic a 4 hour drive from the nearest pro football team and a 3 hour drive to the Kings in the North and a 3 hour drive to UCLA in the Rosebowl to the south.

(12-08-2011 12:57 AM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  I've always respected and rooted for ECU- see them as somewhat of FS's Foil in the East- I dont think SactownDog is trying to offend anyone btw- but California is about 40 Million People and is much, much larger than NC. Fresno does dominate its greater region, there is no doubt that Fresno brings a much larger market.

Fresno will have a spot in this before its all said and done..

Not to offend but with no AQ and other sports in the Big West I am not sure we want one. I would be happy to let ECU take it and get back to our group of western teams which were actually rivals: SDSU/Fresno, Reno/UNLV, Boise and hawaii

(12-07-2011 11:05 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 06:15 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I could be wrong, ....

Sorry Mike, but yeah ... you are.

Navy

Air Force


#11 and 12.

Period.





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Well I obviously don't know what the hell I'm talking about .... oops. My bad Mike ...

Air Force is a no go.

So, I'd bet on Navy and ECU.


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(12-08-2011 04:28 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-08-2011 12:39 AM)jvllepirate Wrote:  There are 4 bcs teams but wake forest and duke are small private schools with no real following. Id say UNC is the most popular in the state(for basketball reasons) and nc state and ecu are on par if we arent close behind, with each other in terms of followings and graduates. The panthers have no effect on people cheering for ECU in this state. North Carolina is a college state similar to how georgia is with the atlanta falcons. The panthers draw well but while there are some there are not many who only follow the NFL like stats up north do.

How far away are the pathers by drive time? If it is less than a couple hours then it is reasonable competition for the entertainment dollar.

Fresno is at best with traffic a 4 hour drive from the nearest pro football team and a 3 hour drive to the Kings in the North and a 3 hour drive to UCLA in the Rosebowl to the south.

The Panthers are 4.5 hours from Greenville. It's almost closer going to see the Washington Redskins play. East Carolina just about owns the market for everything east of I-95. There are no major universities aside from maybe UNC Wilmington and no pro teams. The market runs from Myrtle Beach SC to Tidewater, VA. We also pull viewers from all over the Central/Western side of the state. Yes there are fans that like UNC or NC State, but the majority will tell you ECU or they pull for ECU too. There is a market, it's just some people can't think out of the box or the city in this case.