(12-11-2011 02:52 PM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 03:56 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 03:28 PM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 11:44 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 11:38 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I was speaking out of frustration because I get so tired of people trying to pin all of our problems on Wright Waters.

I see this all the time as well. I do think the bowl fiasco from a few years ago was a big deal. But I think after that, everyone started jumping on Wright Waters out of more a less a herd mentality. At that point, it was "cool" to blame Wright Waters for anything and everything sunbelt, even if it wasn't his fault. I sure hope the new guy can do a few things just by having some new blood in office though.

One question, do you not think that the Memoradum of Understanding was not Wright Waters fault?

No that was, and that's the bowl fiasco I was referring to. He dropped the ball big time on that one. But I think its important to separate that from other issues that weren't his fault. I don't think you're an idiot or uneducated, I think we have different opinions on things.

I have one more question. Do you think it is right for a commissioner to decide when and what to call a University even thou that University has the legal right to call it what it wants?

The way I understand it, you guys were calling yourselves "The University of Louisiana" which is not legal. Simply "Louisiana" or "Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns" are both within your legal right, but not the first one. That's the way it's been explained to me by someone, I'm sure you'll tell me why that's wrong, but I've given up on ever understanding any of that hogwash. As far as I'm concerned your university is still legally called the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, so when referring to athletics "Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns" works fine for me.

Either way, I can understand having a personal beef with the commissioner over that issue, but that has nothing to do with his ability to do his job.

(12-11-2011 08:51 AM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 03:56 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 03:28 PM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 11:44 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 11:38 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I was speaking out of frustration because I get so tired of people trying to pin all of our problems on Wright Waters.

I see this all the time as well. I do think the bowl fiasco from a few years ago was a big deal. But I think after that, everyone started jumping on Wright Waters out of more a less a herd mentality. At that point, it was "cool" to blame Wright Waters for anything and everything sunbelt, even if it wasn't his fault. I sure hope the new guy can do a few things just by having some new blood in office though.

One question, do you not think that the Memoradum of Understanding was not Wright Waters fault?

No that was, and that's the bowl fiasco I was referring to. He dropped the ball big time on that one. But I think its important to separate that from other issues that weren't his fault. I don't think you're an idiot or uneducated, I think we have different opinions on things.

Thats cool. I can live with that!!

I agree that the memorandum of understanding was a big gaff, but even then he thought he had done something good for the conference. He was working to improve our conference and the agreement just wasn't quite what he thought it was. The way I see it he was making an earnest effort to do good for us and our bowl situation so we shouldn't lose sight of that. Also, let's be fair, while he is the commissioner and the blame ultimately lies with him you have to assume he wasn't the only one who read the contract. I'm sure we have a legal team and they would have looked over the contract as well.

I call the Cajuns "Louisiana" when refering to their athletics teams and I'm happy to do it, it sounds much more marketable. I noticed however, that on their commercial that ran during a Conference game on CSS the other day that they refered to themselves as "The University of Louisiana at Lafayette."

So you must understand where people get confused.

(12-11-2011 05:15 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I call the Cajuns "Louisiana" when refering to their athletics teams and I'm happy to do it, it sounds much more marketable. I noticed however, that on their commercial that ran during a Conference game on CSS the other day that they refered to themselves as "The University of Louisiana at Lafayette."

So you must understand where people get confused.

I'll echo BTH's sentiments. I'll call you guys UL as long as you like. But confusing enough, the Wikipedia Page for UL Athletics lists you guys as
"The Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns (or Louisiana's Ragin' Cajuns)" implying that you have an option. I know it's just a wikipedia page, but its still a pretty big deal. Further if you want people to take you seriously, pages like this need to be destroyed. I understand there is a Lousiana's Ragin Cajuns page too, but if you're gonna market a new brand name, you can't keep old stuff hanging around. The HTML Header here and this hasn't been changed. The commercial BTH mentioned makes matters even worse. The fact that this banner even exists is confusing. You can't expect people take you seriously your own marketing team is sending mixed signals.

And before CajunT comes in here with his baseball bat, understand that I'm not attacking you guys here. I'm trying to show you why its confusing to the rest of us. But some of you will get all bent out of shape and say I'm degrading your university, which simply isn't true. I respect UL Athletics and hope the best comes out of this, but understand where the confusion comes from.

(12-11-2011 03:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-11-2011 02:52 PM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 03:56 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 03:28 PM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 11:44 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I see this all the time as well. I do think the bowl fiasco from a few years ago was a big deal. But I think after that, everyone started jumping on Wright Waters out of more a less a herd mentality. At that point, it was "cool" to blame Wright Waters for anything and everything sunbelt, even if it wasn't his fault. I sure hope the new guy can do a few things just by having some new blood in office though.

One question, do you not think that the Memoradum of Understanding was not Wright Waters fault?

No that was, and that's the bowl fiasco I was referring to. He dropped the ball big time on that one. But I think its important to separate that from other issues that weren't his fault. I don't think you're an idiot or uneducated, I think we have different opinions on things.

I have one more question. Do you think it is right for a commissioner to decide when and what to call a University even thou that University has the legal right to call it what it wants?

The way I understand it, you guys were calling yourselves "The University of Louisiana" which is not legal. Simply "Louisiana" or "Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns" are both within your legal right, but not the first one. That's the way it's been explained to me by someone, I'm sure you'll tell me why that's wrong, but I've given up on ever understanding any of that hogwash. As far as I'm concerned your university is still legally called the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, so when referring to athletics "Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns" works fine for me.

Either way, I can understand having a personal beef with the commissioner over that issue, but that has nothing to do with his ability to do his job.

This is where you are wrong. UL has UL Systems Board approval to use UL, Louisiana and Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns. You sitting that you made your decision because someone told you so is a first class joke. Wright Waters has no right to decide if board decisions are right or wrong. He is still holding a grudge from when he did not get the AD job in the 1980's.

The commerical promotes the academics at the university. Not a mixed messsge.

Wikipedia is outside of our control.

Our SID is working very hard to have a unified message and it is less confusing than in years prior when the policy read like the old "you can call me ray" skit from the 70s BUT cooperation from the league office is what is the most glaring omission.

(12-14-2011 02:22 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  The commerical promotes the academics at the university. Not a mixed messsge.

Wikipedia is outside of our control.

Our SID is working very hard to have a unified message and it is less confusing than in years prior when the policy read like the old "you can call me ray" skit from the 70s BUT cooperation from the league office is what is the most glaring omission.

In all honesty, I do hope you guys get that worked out. I was just trying to show that its tough for others to accept what you are (UL) with all the mixed signals, coming from very different sources I assume. It makes it worse when CajunT and others are overly aggressive and then misinterpret some posts and end up starting 7 page fights. But I do understand, its tough, and if theres gonna be any resolve out of this, less name calling from both sides, and a willingness to find a middle, or common ground has to happen.

And real quick about CajunT. He was banned for multiple offenses. PoT's actions were flagged by the moderators and I'm guessing he was told he would be banned if he keeps it up. I found his comment funny at the time, but I'm guessing the mods and the rest of you do not. That will be handled. CajunT was one of your own, so you stand up for him more than you would one our guys, PoT. It's important to understand that CajunT's actions have been intolerable for months, since the preseason, where the "UofD" comments came about this week.

Me and PoT have have our fair share of arguments, but like him as much as any other Troy fan. Like you guys, I have to look out for my own. I'm not endorsing those comments about "UofD." Everyone complains about the mods here, but trust me if this had been another bbs board, both of them would have been gone a long time ago, including some other UL, Troy, and UNT fans. The mods here are quite lenient with the intention of this not becoming a boot camp where every offense if cited and repremended. They want you to enjoy some liberty and freedom to speak your mind from time to time. Trust me when I say you don't want strict enforcement of everything that happens here. We're all adults here, this isn't high school, there's not a need for strict enforcement. Those are my 2 dollars.