http://autos.yahoo.com/news/hot-wired--c...lting.html

How many greenhouse gases do those release?

"Worth every penny" to save a failed, crappy company.

That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.

And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.

And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

Success? They still filed for bankruptcy. Well, sort of. Obama's union cronies got a handout at the expense of the creditors.

So so sorry that the corporatism of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of your President.

(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.

And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

Pure conjecture on your part. Of course as long as it fits the narrative of your President and his socialist agendas.....all is well.

(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression

BS.

Quote:.have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.

Really, says the guy whose personal livelihood depended on the loan. Yeah, projection again.

Or consider the company selling the defective products. Yeah, the height of altruism there. F'n moron.

Quote:And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

Not a success. Just a waste of money on losers like you who can't take care of themselves w/o the gubment.

(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.

And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

One of the foundations of Bankruptcy Law is the "Absolute Priority Rule" in which Secured Creditors receive a distribution in Bankruptcy prior to unsecured creditors

In the case of both Government Motors and Fiarysler, the Bondholders holding Secured Claims were screwed, with unsecured creditors (unions) taking priority. It was a travesty of "justice"..

Ford was smart. They didn't take a "bailout".. because of obvious undisclosed strings attached. The "Bailout" to the two automotive companies was the key. Ford bit the bullet and told the government to FO

How else could the Evil, Socialist, Liberation Theology practicing, Anti-Semitic, Half Kenyan, Stupid, Teleprompter-Dependent, Incompetent SOB demanded the change in Corporate Management at GM and Fiarsyler with the gimmie to the Unions? He got away with it, without obvious "strings" to the bailout.

It was Obama's first experiment in Crony Socialism.

(12-01-2011 09:22 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  How else could the Evil, Socialist, Liberation Theology practicing, Anti-Semitic, Half Kenyan, Stupid, Teleprompter-Dependent, Incompetent SOB demanded the change in Corporate Management at GM and Fiarsyler with the gimmie to the Unions? He got away with it, without obvious "strings" to the bailout

I get the feeling you're not gonna vote for him this time around.

I am pretty sure Torchy's brain has melted. I guess he is a defect.

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(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.
And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

Total bullsh!t.

The auto companies wouldn't have "failed." They would have filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and reorganized. Just like American Airlines is doing now. And American is still flying. Same thing would have happened to GM and Chrysler. Actually, they did file Chapter 11.

What Obama did was not to "save" anything. He screwed the legitimate creditors--who should, by law, have gotten paid first--in order to deliver a huge gift to his UAW cronies. Oh well, no problem p!ss!ng off creditors. We'll never need them again. Because, you see, we not going to incur any debt ever again.

I'm really tiring of this lie.

Guess AA didn't get the memo to lock it's doors against it's employees and customers.

Go GM! You killed the American diesel market with your crappy cars. Now you can kill the electric market, too.

Can we get a government rebate on that, too!

(12-02-2011 07:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  '

(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.
And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

Total bullsh!t.

The auto companies wouldn't have "failed." They would have filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and reorganized. Just like American Airlines is doing now. And American is still flying. Same thing would have happened to GM and Chrysler. Actually, they did file Chapter 11.

What Obama did was not to "save" anything. He screwed the legitimate creditors--who should, by law, have gotten paid first--in order to deliver a huge gift to his UAW cronies. Oh well, no problem p!ss!ng off creditors. We'll never need them again. Because, you see, we not going to incur any debt ever again.

I'm really tiring of this lie.

Finally, something we can agree on

(12-02-2011 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2011 07:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  '

(12-01-2011 05:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That crappy company's failure (with 200,000 employees and countless scores of employees at the suppliers who would have been bankrupted) would have thrown the US into a depression, but hey...have a laugh. We know you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself.
And so so sorry that the success of that loan doesn't fit your narrative of our President.

Total bullsh!t.

The auto companies wouldn't have "failed." They would have filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and reorganized. Just like American Airlines is doing now. And American is still flying. Same thing would have happened to GM and Chrysler. Actually, they did file Chapter 11.

What Obama did was not to "save" anything. He screwed the legitimate creditors--who should, by law, have gotten paid first--in order to deliver a huge gift to his UAW cronies. Oh well, no problem p!ss!ng off creditors. We'll never need them again. Because, you see, we not going to incur any debt ever again.

I'm really tiring of this lie.

Finally, something we can agree on

So we can expect you to stop soon?

Right behind you Paul.

Done. I will never post that the auto makers would have locked their doors putting 200,000 people out of work and causing a depression if not for the interference of the government. Cool? Your turn.

Upon reading more of the article - but not the entire thing - I was wondering how the car company can blame the customer's house wiring. Obviously the current being drawn through the house is fine until it hits the charger cable, at which point the amp draw is enough to melt them. No spokesman ever would have said that if he took Electricity 101 in high school.

And anything that would create an amp load which would melt charging cords, can not, and should never be, considered environmentally friendly. I can't have a ******* light bulb but a tree hugger can have a car that will drain a nuclear power plant faster than Lewinsky drained Clinton?????? Really???

I really am not going to get too jolted by the volts problems. It is new technology and that will come with some bugs to work out. Hell...I bought a 2007 Toyota for my daughter brand new...and it has had 5 factory recalls. US automakers are NOT the only ones having quality problems.

I have put 35k on my 2010 Chevy Equinox and it has performed perfectly and gets me an ave of 27 mpg. I have nothing but praise for this little SUV so far.