(11-29-2011 04:35 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I was skimming the debate thread that Dak put up the other day and it seemed this question is one worth getting multiple views on.

I personally believe racial profiling isn't a bad thing. Like most people I realize that not all Muslims are terrorists. I also realize that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Keeping this in mind how can we best keep our ports safe from terror attacks without profiling of some sort? I also like the idea of the "Nude" scanners but the public has nixed that idea. When I fly, I don't want to sit next to a rag or even see one on the plane. Maybe we should put all of them on the same flights...that way when they blow one up no one will care.

Thoughts...

Here is a solution a friend of mine emailed me.

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:

All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.

This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be no racial profiling and the device would eliminate long and expensive trials......... This is so simple it's brilliant!

I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number...

(12-01-2011 08:56 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 04:35 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I was skimming the debate thread that Dak put up the other day and it seemed this question is one worth getting multiple views on.

I personally believe racial profiling isn't a bad thing. Like most people I realize that not all Muslims are terrorists. I also realize that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Keeping this in mind how can we best keep our ports safe from terror attacks without profiling of some sort? I also like the idea of the "Nude" scanners but the public has nixed that idea. When I fly, I don't want to sit next to a rag or even see one on the plane. Maybe we should put all of them on the same flights...that way when they blow one up no one will care.

Thoughts...

Here is a solution a friend of mine emailed me.

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:

All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.

This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be no racial profiling and the device would eliminate long and expensive trials......... This is so simple it's brilliant!

I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number...

I like it.

Profiling can also backfire since it is our paradigm.

During the DC Sniper, the profile was a white right win nut. Ended up being a black rhite wing nut.

His car was identified in the first wave of shootings at the only one that happened with the Dc city limits. Was dismissed because the driver was black.

For weeks they were obsessed with stopping white vans (of which there are over 250K in the Dc area) driven by a white guy. It was not until the last shooting over in Montgomery County, when they had more information and stopped every car. Although the road closers after a shooting did not catch them, they were caught a day or two later.

Point is that racial, or religious profiling does not work.

The Airline industry should be handling its own security and should be able to use ANY method it wishes to insure the safety of it's clients including profiling, nude scanners and strip searches if it deems them appropriate.

If as a customer, I object to the security methods of a carrier...then it is my option to find a carrier with different policies or find another mode of transportation.

The marketplace will provide alternative security options by those seeking profit responding to market signals. The government has no incentive to respond to market signals since its profits are stolen and not earned.

This is the mess you get when you take a private industry and inject the coercion of government regulation into it. It always ends up being a damn cluster Fk as we have with the TSA.

Anyone that believes for a second that the Airline industry is not capable of securing its aircraft simply is not thinking clearly. They have EVERY incentive to do so.

(12-01-2011 09:06 AM)dcCid Wrote:  During the DC Sniper, the profile was a white right win nut. Ended up being a black rhite wing nut.

His car was identified in the first wave of shootings at the only one that happened with the Dc city limits. Was dismissed because the driver was black.

For weeks they were obsessed with stopping white vans (of which there are over 250K in the Dc area) driven by a white guy. It was not until the last shooting over in Montgomery County, when they had more information and stopped every car. Although the road closers after a shooting did not catch them, they were caught a day or two later.

Point is that racial, or religious profiling does not work

I remember all that, and I dont recall a single white person bitching about racial profiling, they just wanted the problem solved.

(12-01-2011 08:56 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 04:35 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I was skimming the debate thread that Dak put up the other day and it seemed this question is one worth getting multiple views on.

I personally believe racial profiling isn't a bad thing. Like most people I realize that not all Muslims are terrorists. I also realize that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Keeping this in mind how can we best keep our ports safe from terror attacks without profiling of some sort? I also like the idea of the "Nude" scanners but the public has nixed that idea. When I fly, I don't want to sit next to a rag or even see one on the plane. Maybe we should put all of them on the same flights...that way when they blow one up no one will care.

Thoughts...

Here is a solution a friend of mine emailed me.

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:

All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.

This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be no racial profiling and the device would eliminate long and expensive trials......... This is so simple it's brilliant!

I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number...

Don't pace makers have components that are used in explosives.

(12-01-2011 11:07 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 08:56 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 04:35 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I was skimming the debate thread that Dak put up the other day and it seemed this question is one worth getting multiple views on.

I personally believe racial profiling isn't a bad thing. Like most people I realize that not all Muslims are terrorists. I also realize that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Keeping this in mind how can we best keep our ports safe from terror attacks without profiling of some sort? I also like the idea of the "Nude" scanners but the public has nixed that idea. When I fly, I don't want to sit next to a rag or even see one on the plane. Maybe we should put all of them on the same flights...that way when they blow one up no one will care.

Thoughts...

Here is a solution a friend of mine emailed me.

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:

All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.

This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be no racial profiling and the device would eliminate long and expensive trials......... This is so simple it's brilliant!

I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number...

Don't pace makers have components that are used in explosives.

Anyone that believes for one second that the TSA is keeping you safe is a couple of very sharpened drafting pencils from being dead. There are hundreds of ways to bring down a aircraft that these morons have never even imagined.

Let those that actually have a financial stake in securing the aircraft provide security. It will most likely be MORE invasive than the crap the government has come up with....the difference is...I will go through that security VOLUNTARILY because I TRUST those seeking profit in the airline industry to NOT allow me to die. They NEED my return business.