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Intersting to see how this one plays out....I personnally hate the fact that we have ever had a tie in with this bowl...it would be like the Pac 10 having a tie in with the tire bowl in Charlotte...also...the insight.com bowl finally got to host ND this past yr so it will be intersting to see what they choose to do...

-- Anyone think a Insight.com for Liberty bowl trade is possible? That would make geographic sense for both leagues


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Mountain West takes closer look at bowl lineup

By STEVE KIGGINS
Star-Tribune staff writer Friday, April 01, 2005


So long, Memphis, Tenn.

Determined to keep its bowl-eligible football teams in familiar surroundings, the Mountain West Conference has reached a "verbal agreement" to continue its relationship with the Las Vegas Bowl and is pursuing involvement in bowl games in Phoenix, San Diego and Fort Worth, Texas.

"Our feeling is, let's try to get west," Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson told the Casper Star-Tribune on Thursday. "Which means San Diego. We've had great conversations with the Insight Bowl in Phoenix. ... This is our final year in San Francisco, but I'm optimistic that we can continue that relationship.

"We're staying out west and that means the odd man out is the Liberty Bowl."

But maybe not immediately.

Until the Mountain West can solidify deals with additional bowl partners -- the Insight Bowl is tied to the Pacific 10 and Big East conferences for one more season and the Fort Worth Bowl has a deal with Conference USA and the Big 12 for 2005 -- Thompson hopes his conference can continue its partnership with the Liberty Bowl.

Thompson said he had an hour-long discussion with Memphis bowl officials this week and believes there's a "50-50 chance, maybe a little bit higher" that the two sides will agree on a one-year contract.

By securing a spot in the Liberty Bowl, the Mountain West would have three bowl tie-ins, just as it did in 2004. The conference will also be represented in the Las Vegas Bowl and the Emerald Bowl in San Francisco.

The Mountain West also could send a team to Texas, Thompson said.

If the Big 12 fails to meet its contractual obligation with the Fort Worth Bowl, as has been the case the past two years, the Mountain West has reached a "back-up" deal with bowl officials and will have first chance to fill the vacancy.

"In 2006, we'll (have a contract to be in) that game," Thompson promised.

The Mountain West also hopes to add the Insight Bowl and, pending NCAA certification, the Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego to its 2006 postseason schedule.

"There's a lot of questions still out there," Thompson said. "It's a jigsaw puzzle, really."

The pieces would begin to fit together if the NCAA Football Certification Subcommittee gives San Diego officials the green light to launch a second bowl game. The city already hosts the wildly successful Holiday Bowl.

The Poinsettia Bowl would match a Mountain West team against Navy or an opponent from Conference USA or the Western Athletic Conference, Thompson said. Bowl officials have already secured a sponsorship deal and arranged a television contract, he added.
If the NCAA subcommittee, which meets at the end of the month in Phoenix, decides to add a 29th bowl game, Thompson said he's "extremely confident" that the Poinsettia Bowl would be first on the list.

It's also possible that at least one of the existing 28 bowl games -- the Houston Bowl and the Silicon Valley Classic in San Jose barely made the cut a year ago -- will not be re-certified. If that happens, a second bowl game in San Diego would almost certainly receive approval.

"They have everything in place," Thompson said. "They're good to go. They just need to get the rubber stamp to go."

A rubber stamp might be all that's needed on the conference's new contract with the Las Vegas Bowl, which soon could include the Mountain West champion against an upper-tier team from the Pac-10. The payout would also rise significantly from the bowl minimum of $750,000, Thompson said.

"We really have a strong interest in growing the Las Vegas Bowl and if that means sending our first selection, our first-place team, that's definitely on the radar screen," the commissioner said
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I agree, not to hip on a West Coast bowl. In theory it supposedly gives the conference exposure on the West Coast, but eh. I'd love to have a tie-in with something like the Liberty Bowl or a more geographically friendly bowl. Heck, I wouldn't mind trading the Insight.com Bowl for the Liberty Bowl with the MWC.
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Quote:Jackson1011 Posted on Apr 2 2005, 08:08 AM:
-- Anyone think a Insight.com for Liberty bowl trade is possible? That would make geographic sense for both leagues

Quote:Cat's_Claw Posted on Apr 2 2005, 10:03 AM:
I'd love to have a tie-in with something like the Liberty Bowl or a more geographically friendly bowl. Heck, I wouldn't mind trading the Insight.com Bowl for the Liberty Bowl with the MWC.

Definitely. I'd definitely trade the Insight for the Liberty. The Liberty pays out far more than the Insight. However, I don't think the MW is looking at this as trade. I think they still see sending their #1 team when not BCS Bowl eligible to the Liberty and their next best team to the Insight.

Assuming the BE retains the Gator, which I don't believe is a given, then the Liberty would need to decide which is a more attractive opponent for C-USA #1 not BCS Bowl eligible - BE #3 or MW #1? Keeping in mind of course that attractive here means traveling fans and TV ratings as well as competitive teams.

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Quote:Assuming the BE retains the Gator, which I don't believe is a given, then the Liberty would need to decide which is a more attractive opponent for C-USA #1 not BCS Bowl eligible - BE #3 or MW #1? Keeping in mind of course that attractive here means traveling fans and TV ratings as well as competitive teams.

-- Omni...what bowls do you antcipate being intersted in the BE? Personally, I'm betting we keep the Gator if we give them unlimited access to ND...however...if they do happen to go elswhere...the only bowls that are probably locks to stay with us our the BCS and the Tire Bowl in Charlotte. I remember hearing last winter that the old Tangerine bowl (forget what it is called now) that Syracuse played in may be interested in us but that would be another bowl game against the ACC....what happened to the bowl game we were starting in toronto?


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On the MWC bowls:

Right now they have Las Vegas, Emerald, and Liberty. They are talking to the Insight, Ft.Worth, and possibly starting up the Poinsettia. If they had all 6 bowls, that would be more than a 9 team MWC could handle.

The MWC is willing to dump the Liberty if it can at least pick up the Insight Bowl. They don't want to be caught with less than 3 bowls for next season. The Poinsettia sounds like a replacement for the poorly attended Silicon Valley Bowl. And Ft.Worth is in the bag for the MWC once the contract is up next year.

On the Liberty Bowl:

I've heard the Liberty is looking at a lot of different options, from partnering with a BCS conference to opening the bowl up to the best 2 non-BCS schools from any conference. I think the latter is less likely with improved BCS access for the little guys starting in 2006.

The SEC is not going to provide a #3 or #4 pick for the Liberty Bowl with all the existing contracts they have. The ACC might be willing to make room for the Liberty. The Big East might want to think in terms of providing its #2 to lock up the liberty. It would be so much easier for the Big East in this bowl if Memphis was part of the conference.

On the Toronto Bowl:

This bowl is supposed to pit the MAC vs. Big East. This idea of a bowl in Toronto has been kicked around by the MAC for 5 years now and it hasn't gotten off the ground yet. From what I'm hearing if the Toronto Bowl happens, it probably won't be until the 2006 season.

Its a shame, because the MAC is deep enough now for 4 bowl games. The 2 games they have (MCB, GMAC) are very well supported. Last season the MAC filled in for the Independence, FT.Worth, and Silicon Valley Bowls which just illustrates the inequity in bowls between the MAC and other non-BCS conferences.
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As I wrote on the Rivals site, the Big East getting the Liberty Bowl would be bad news for the Memphis Tigers. Bringing a bowl with them is something that has always kept Memphis at least in the discussion when it comes to eventually adding a 9th football member. If the bowl comes in on it's own, that's one less thing Memphis can use as leverage, imho. That's not to say that they would suddenly become undesirable to the Big East, but if I were memphis, I'd want to keep as many aces up my sleeve as I possibly could.
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Kit-Cat Wrote:On the Liberty Bowl:

I've heard the Liberty is looking at a lot of different options, from partnering with a BCS conference to opening the bowl up to the best 2 non-BCS schools from any conference. I think the latter is less likely with improved BCS access for the little guys starting in 2006.

Actually that is what the Liberty Bowl is doing now, matching up two of the best non-BCS conferences. I think the LB will want to have a tie-in with a BCS conference if possible.
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Cat's_Claw Wrote:
Kit-Cat Wrote:On the Liberty Bowl:

I've heard the Liberty is looking at a lot of different options, from partnering with a BCS conference to opening the bowl up to the best 2 non-BCS schools from any conference. I think the latter is less likely with improved BCS access for the little guys starting in 2006.

Actually that is what the Liberty Bowl is doing now, matching up two of the best non-BCS conferences. I think the LB will want to have a tie-in with a BCS conference if possible.
That was just for last season Cat's Claw because Utah was selected for the Fiesta Bowl.
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Murph1 Wrote:As I wrote on the Rivals site, the Big East getting the Liberty Bowl would be bad news for the Memphis Tigers. Bringing a bowl with them is something that has always kept Memphis at least in the discussion when it comes to eventually adding a 9th football member. If the bowl comes in on it's own, that's one less thing Memphis can use as leverage, imho. That's not to say that they would suddenly become undesirable to the Big East, but if I were memphis, I'd want to keep as many aces up my sleeve as I possibly could.
Very good point. A similar scenario occurred when the MWC split from the WAC. For several years since the split, the two conferences have avoided each other in the bowls. That appears to be changing with the poinsettia bowl. For next year, the only remaining WAC schools prior to the split are Fresno, SJSU, and Hawaii and that might be a factor in better cooperation between the MWC and the WAC.
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The Liberty Bowl is doing quite well with the "champion vs. champion" format and will probably maintain it through a series of option years(4 for CUSA) until the conference/BCS shake-up takes place and the fate of the U of Memphis is known.The MWC has been a tough sell from the start in terms of fan representation but have brought some really good teams to Memphis as has CUSA.I can't see the Liberty Bowl dipping into the bowels of the BE confernce and comming out with a marketable game(for the local or national audience)That being said if Memphis joined the BE the Liberty Bowl would certainly follow and use the Tigers to market the game in this market.
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I believe Memphis to the BE maybe in the works.
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Quote:I believe Memphis to the BE maybe in the works.

Highly doubt it. Memphis coming to the BE only has a chance of occuring if there is a split. And all signs are pointing to there not being a split until after the 2009-2010 season.

And there won't be serious discussions on who to invite until after the 2006-2007 season. Any talk about possible candidates at the moment is brainstorming-not-to-be-taken-serious talk.

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Neil, U agree about 2010 but I also think some schools have been given goals to meet for membership. And many of the goals may take 3 to 5 years to meet. Look at ECU hirinf Hilland as AD.
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Agree about goals, but at this point, they are simply goals, not definites.

Personally, I think Memphis got jobbed. But I'm more of 'you earn it' type of guy. And on terms of merit, the Tigers deserved BE membership more than USF.

On the other hand, in terms of merit, RU shouldn't even be in the BE anymore - but that's a different discussion.

Anyway, Wilkie, as you and I both know, a lot can happen between now and when the decisions are made. And in this case, not just Memphis has been given benchmarks to reach, but probably ECU and UCF as well. Wouldn't surprise me with the possible elimination of 1-A, 1-AA classification and all going to simply Division 1 classification that Villanova has been given or might be given a set of benchmarks.

Of course, none of this means I have to like the idea of the BE being furthered watered down. :mad:

I would hope the existing 8 members have set themselves higher benchmarks to achieve in the next three years to make this league attractive enough both athletically and academically to entice teams like PSU, ND, BC, and Maryland to at least consider the BE as a viable option.

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IMO, the BE decision to expand and who to expand with might be impacted by the auto bid critieria we are discussing on the other thread.

I would be surprised if UCF wasn't kind of semi promised a bid in the future if they met some kind of criteria in the next 5 or so years. If the autobid criteria changes though, I would think USM would top the list if there was any reason to expand. They are the only school this side of the Mississippi that is consistantly good.

Being in and securing their BCS bid in the future, just has to be the biggest concern of the BE. It's not just the BCS bowl money but the impact it has on your marketability and recruiting.
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omnicarrier Wrote:On the other hand, in terms of merit, RU shouldn't even be in the BE anymore - but that's a different discussion.

I would hope the existing 8 members have set themselves higher benchmarks to achieve in the next three years to make this league attractive enough both athletically and academically to entice teams like PSU, ND, BC, and Maryland to at least consider the BE as a viable option.

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Well, noone wants to give RU the boot because attendance is fine. The other reason being if we finally have that breakout year we're going to be a powerhouse in the making and will get significant fan support across the area. This year could be the breakout year for us. We also keep the BE visible in a market where they'd get no exposure without us, the NY/NJ market. Rutgers unfortunately for most Big Easters right now is vital to the survival and future success of the conference. When the BB/FB school split occurs Rutgers is going to be needed to shore up the NY market for the new conference's tourney and the Big Apple Bowl in the new Jets stadium.

That being said, I'm sure everyone has set higher benchmarks to make themselves attractive to PSU, BC, and Maryland. We should also add Memphis at that time. Thats a nice 12 team conference. Memphis, Maryland, South Florida, Penn State, Rutgers, Boston College, Syracuse, Connecticut, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and West Virginia.
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