Let's look at this year for all you Alliance fans to see why the alliance should not be rooting for the Big East's demise....

Title- Alabama vs LSU
Sugar- Arkansas vs Michigan
Orange- Va Tech vs South Carolina or Notre Dame
Fiesta- Oklahoma St vs Stanford
Rose- Wisconsin vs Oregon

You alliance fans- do you see 13-0 Houston repping C-USA there? NOPE. South Carolina or Notre Dame taking that spot.

Stanford only going to Fiesta because there's not anyone else from the Big Ten. If it was a normal Big Ten year- that spot would be taken by them as well..

Just can't wait to see 8-4 Notre Dame in a major bowl while 13-0 alliance champ is in the Liberty Bowl. Don't kid yourselves...

(11-23-2011 06:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Let's look at this year for all you Alliance fans to see why the alliance should not be rooting for the Big East's demise....

Title- Alabama vs LSU
Sugar- Arkansas vs Michigan
Orange- Va Tech vs South Carolina or Notre Dame
Fiesta- Oklahoma St vs Stanford
Rose- Wisconsin vs Oregon

You alliance fans- do you see 13-0 Houston repping C-USA there? NOPE. South Carolina or Notre Dame taking that spot.

Stanford only going to Fiesta because there's not anyone else from the Big Ten. If it was a normal Big Ten year- that spot would be taken by them as well..

Just can't wait to see 8-4 Notre Dame in a major bowl while 13-0 alliance champ is in the Liberty Bowl. Don't kid yourselves...

I agree, .....PLAYOFF.

16-team playoff is the only fair way to determine a national champion. Population is growing. We'll probably have 150 FBS schools within the next 20-30 years. It'll get worse if a playoff doesn't come about.

Oh well. Don't see a BE team in there either. Thanks your post just made me wish for the BE demise even more.

What if it was 13-0 ECU in Houston's position, yet because of the no AQ's- they get stuck in the Liberty Bowl while 8-4 Ohio St because they travel well is playing in the Orange Bowl. This totally makes it and I'll say it- impossible for a team from your precious alliance to EVER make a major bowl game. How does that sound to you?

The more teams that get added to FBS, the better chance for a playoff. The bowls are corrupt and meaningless now. Everybody gets one if you break-even, usually. The Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls are not the events that they used to be. They've been devalued over time with the explosion of other bowls. Did you see what happened to UConn last year with the Fiesta Bowl? They didn't deserve to go and they lost $2 million.

(11-23-2011 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What if it was 13-0 ECU in Houston's position, yet because of the no AQ's- they get stuck in the Liberty Bowl while 8-4 Ohio St because they travel well is playing in the Orange Bowl. This totally makes it and I'll say it- impossible for a team from your precious alliance to EVER make a major bowl game. How does that sound to you?

so you're suggesting that we keep the BCS so that 6-5 Louisville makes it to a guaranteed bcs game and an 11-0 Houston team sweats it out?

(11-23-2011 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What if it was 13-0 ECU in Houston's position, yet because of the no AQ's- they get stuck in the Liberty Bowl while 8-4 Ohio St because they travel well is playing in the Orange Bowl. This totally makes it and I'll say it- impossible for a team from your precious alliance to EVER make a major bowl game. How does that sound to you?

8-4 Ohio State wouldn't finish in the top 10 of the final BCS standings. So they wouldn't be eligible under the plan the BCS folks are looking at. This year's 13-0 Houston team WOULD finish in the top 10, so they would go. And no question that a 13-0 ECU team with a typical non-conference schedule (like we've been playing) would also finish in the top 10.

So I think your theory is wrong.

There is nothing in there about top 10.... The BCS would only care about getting the top 2 teams in the title game. That's it. Everything else reverts back to 1997.

11-0 Houston is not sweating at all right now. If they win they are in.

(11-23-2011 06:51 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  The more teams that get added to FBS, the better chance for a playoff.

The more teams that get added to FBS, the higher the chances are that the power conferences just break off to do their own thing and let everyone else have their playoff.

(11-23-2011 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What if it was 13-0 ECU in Houston's position, yet because of the no AQ's- they get stuck in the Liberty Bowl while 8-4 Ohio St because they travel well is playing in the Orange Bowl. This totally makes it and I'll say it- impossible for a team from your precious alliance to EVER make a major bowl game. How does that sound to you?

They wouldnt care. They can drive to Memphis.

I hate AQ and because of it schools are willing to sell their souls just because of football and thats not right. I prefer common sense prevailing.

(11-23-2011 07:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  11-0 Houston is not sweating at all right now. If they win they are in.

but you're okay with a 6-5 louisville, correct?

(11-23-2011 07:01 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What if it was 13-0 ECU in Houston's position, yet because of the no AQ's- they get stuck in the Liberty Bowl while 8-4 Ohio St because they travel well is playing in the Orange Bowl. This totally makes it and I'll say it- impossible for a team from your precious alliance to EVER make a major bowl game. How does that sound to you?

so you're suggesting that we keep the BCS so that 6-5 Louisville makes it to a guaranteed bcs game and an 11-0 Houston team sweats it out?

Its alway tilted in the AQ's favor. At least the non-Aq's have an avenue to get into a BCS game. Even now, there is NO avenue whatsover for a non-AQ to get into the national championship game. Under a "no" AQ system, the former non-AQ's would not even get a BCS game.

(11-23-2011 07:37 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 07:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  11-0 Houston is not sweating at all right now. If they win they are in.

but you're okay with a 6-5 louisville, correct?

You say that like a 13-0 UTEP would get that game in a "no" AQ world. They wouldn't....a 1 or 2 loss SEC team would. 13-0 UTEP goes to the Liberty. A 12-1 UTEP maybe gets the Motor City Bowl..maybe...if they play thier cards right. Thats what the "no" AQ landscape will look like. The Delanys of the world are not getting rid of the AQ to be "fair"...they are doing it to lock up the best spots for teams from the power conferences.

I frankly would rather see a 7-5 Louisville team in the BCS if it makes it where a non-AQ team has access to the BCS. I've loved seeing the Boise, Utah, Hawaii, TCU contingent make the BCS these last 7-8 years. If the Big East that is newly formed can't meet the standards, fine- get rid of their AQ. But, don't cut the nose to spite the face... It would make it where the major bowls would be basically Big Ten/SEC fests- with a sprinking of the Big 12 and Pac 12 and maybe the ACC if the Orange doesn't dump them....

(11-23-2011 06:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What if it was 13-0 ECU in Houston's position, yet because of the no AQ's- they get stuck in the Liberty Bowl while 8-4 Ohio St because they travel well is playing in the Orange Bowl. This totally makes it and I'll say it- impossible for a team from your precious alliance to EVER make a major bowl game. How does that sound to you?

Sounds good as long as a team from the Big Least doesn't make it either.

great attitude. don't care what happens to me as long as you don't get something. We'll never get anything(even though if we keep it the way it is currently, we would if we deserve it)- but you won't either...

(11-23-2011 06:51 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  The Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls are not the events that they used to be. They've been devalued over time with the explosion of other bowls. Did you see what happened to UConn last year with the Fiesta Bowl? They didn't deserve to go and they lost $2 million.

That may all be true, but you can't ignore the fact that the Sugar, Orange and Fiesta bowls have been diluted by having to take the likes of Hawaii, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, UConn, and Wake Forest. Get rid of the automatic qualifiers and those teams can be replaced by legitimate teams that have had great seasons but are currently being forced into the Citrus, Cotton, and other lesser bowls.

The BCS's rules are going to make this year's Sugar and Orange bowls something like Alabama vs. Houston and Virginia Tech vs. Louisville. Those games are snoozers that none but the most avid fans of those schools are going to care about. Replace Houston and Louisville with Stanford and Oklahoma and those games are intriguing for sports fans everywhere.