(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  I'm not understanding why Temple isn't getting more discussion. Temple ought to be at the top of our list, they are the only eastern program that brings a lot of upside.

I know many say Temple wouldn't jump, but again, there isn't a single program in the MAC on the level of ECU, Southern Miss and Tulsa.

Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

The deal has to be done by Jan. or there is no deal. I don't expect a deal to be done by Jan.

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  I'm not understanding why Temple isn't getting more discussion. Temple ought to be at the top of our list, they are the only eastern program that brings a lot of upside.

I know many say Temple wouldn't jump, but again, there isn't a single program in the MAC on the level of ECU, Southern Miss and Tulsa.

Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of ECU, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

Why would Temple make a lateral move?

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  I'm not understanding why Temple isn't getting more discussion. Temple ought to be at the top of our list, they are the only eastern program that brings a lot of upside.

I know many say Temple wouldn't jump, but again, there isn't a single program in the MAC on the level of ECU, Southern Miss and Tulsa.

Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  I'm not understanding why Temple isn't getting more discussion. Temple ought to be at the top of our list, they are the only eastern program that brings a lot of upside.

I know many say Temple wouldn't jump, but again, there isn't a single program in the MAC on the level of ECU, Southern Miss and Tulsa.

Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

It was right the first time. There is a difference between program and team. Program involves everything from history, facilities, fan base, championships, and current team. ECU's football program is very strong, just our current years team is very average at best.

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  I'm not understanding why Temple isn't getting more discussion. Temple ought to be at the top of our list, they are the only eastern program that brings a lot of upside.

I know many say Temple wouldn't jump, but again, there isn't a single program in the MAC on the level of ECU, Southern Miss and Tulsa.

Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

He said programs, not teams this year. I will put our CUSA record since the last realignment up against any of those other teams. Not sure of the exact numbers but I would say our record in conference is just as good as Tulsa and UH and better than USM. Add to that our 2 CUSA Championships which is more than any of these teams. We will be back and stronger than ever, we have a very young team with a lot of promise right now. If we would not have had so many injuries on offense this year I think we would have seriously contended for the East title this year. The next 2 years should be very fun times in Greenville and luckily it looks like we will get a chance to win another CUSA championship before the conference loses any teams as it appears they will stay in CUSA through next season.

(11-22-2011 09:07 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:30 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 11:07 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU's travel in this configuration is simply not going to cut it

ECU needs to go to Sunbelt or Mac to save on travel. You can enjoy your 250 to 500k per year tv deal, but at least you save on travel.

I just hope UCF enjoys those blizzard conditions when they travel to Boise and possibly BYU. I'm sure those Florida boys will be used to the cold windy weather.

That's just stupid and bitter sounding. ECU should be in the BE no doubt. I think it should be that way and ECU is a great school with a great fan base. It'd be huge BE blunder not to add ECU.

I really hope this all ends soon. Its just getting stupid at this point.

(11-22-2011 09:02 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 09:07 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:30 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 11:07 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU's travel in this configuration is simply not going to cut it

ECU needs to go to Sunbelt or Mac to save on travel. You can enjoy your 250 to 500k per year tv deal, but at least you save on travel.

I just hope UCF enjoys those blizzard conditions when they travel to Boise and possibly BYU. I'm sure those Florida boys will be used to the cold windy weather.

That's just stupid and bitter sounding. ECU should be in the BE no doubt. I think it should be that way and ECU is a great school with a great fan base. It'd be huge BE blunder not to add ECU.

They long ago made the decision that we are worthless to the league. It's up for debate whether you think that's smart or not, but it's very obvious that's the decision that's been made.

(11-22-2011 10:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 09:02 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 09:07 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:30 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 11:07 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU's travel in this configuration is simply not going to cut it

ECU needs to go to Sunbelt or Mac to save on travel. You can enjoy your 250 to 500k per year tv deal, but at least you save on travel.

I just hope UCF enjoys those blizzard conditions when they travel to Boise and possibly BYU. I'm sure those Florida boys will be used to the cold windy weather.

That's just stupid and bitter sounding. ECU should be in the BE no doubt. I think it should be that way and ECU is a great school with a great fan base. It'd be huge BE blunder not to add ECU.

They long ago made the decision that we are worthless to the league. It's up for debate whether you think that's smart or not, but it's very obvious that's the decision that's been made.

Yup and I'd rather have ECU over a lot of schools.

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(11-22-2011 08:53 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

He said programs, not teams this year. I will put our CUSA record since the last realignment up against any of those other teams. Not sure of the exact numbers but I would say our record in conference is just as good as Tulsa and UH and better than USM. Add to that our 2 CUSA Championships which is more than any of these teams. We will be back and stronger than ever, we have a very young team with a lot of promise right now. If we would not have had so many injuries on offense this year I think we would have seriously contended for the East title this year. The next 2 years should be very fun times in Greenville and luckily it looks like we will get a chance to win another CUSA championship before the conference loses any teams as it appears they will stay in CUSA through next season.

You guys are incorrect with this analysis.

Toledo over the past 20 seasons has more success than either ECU, So Miss or Tulsa. More big name wins. Penn State, Michigan, Purdue multiple times ect. Crushed Colorado on national TV a couple of years ago. Beat at top 10 PITT team.

Temple has a 30 million dollar budget on the par with ECU and beat UConn the Big East Champs last season.

Ohio's program under Frank Solich has been a huge success. Frank has a 6-1 record against Miami and a 4-1 record against Temple the next best 2 teams in its division. They beat Marshall this year 44-7 who beat Southern Miss the previous week. Tailgating/Stadium atmosphere among the best in the MAC.

Northern Illinois has been to 6 bowl games since 2004 and regularly plays Big Ten opponents in Soldier Field. They have a huge local market to work with in Chicago and have their games broadcast extensively.

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  I'm not understanding why Temple isn't getting more discussion. Temple ought to be at the top of our list, they are the only eastern program that brings a lot of upside.

I know many say Temple wouldn't jump, but again, there isn't a single program in the MAC on the level of ECU, Southern Miss and Tulsa.

Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

You most certainly did not. If anything you broke that ****.

For one thing, if all goes according to plan, Houston won't be a part of the new CUSA; so the strength of their program is irrelevant to the conversation.

But all that aside, I said programs. Name a MAC school that comes close to ECU's fan support.

(11-22-2011 11:58 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 01:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Maybe not in the stands but on field Temple, Toledo, NIU, Ohio have been pretty consistently on that tier. All were only 1-2 wins away from a top 25 appearances this season.

Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

You most certainly did not. If anything you broke that ****.

For one thing, if all goes according to plan, Houston won't be a part of the new CUSA; so the strength of their program is irrelevant to the conversation.

But all that aside, I said programs. Name a MAC school that comes close to ECU's fan support.

Who cares.

(11-23-2011 12:23 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 11:58 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  Of course there is much more to a program that what happens on the field.

none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

You most certainly did not. If anything you broke that ****.

For one thing, if all goes according to plan, Houston won't be a part of the new CUSA; so the strength of their program is irrelevant to the conversation.

But all that aside, I said programs. Name a MAC school that comes close to ECU's fan support.

Who cares.

Apparently about 35,000 more fans than the average MAC school.

(11-23-2011 12:26 AM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:23 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 11:58 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  none of those teams are near the programs of Houston, Southern Miss, or Tulsa

fixed that for you

You most certainly did not. If anything you broke that ****.

For one thing, if all goes according to plan, Houston won't be a part of the new CUSA; so the strength of their program is irrelevant to the conversation.

But all that aside, I said programs. Name a MAC school that comes close to ECU's fan support.

Who cares.

Apparently about 35,000 more fans than the average MAC school.

Tennessee should be ranked #8 in the country if attendance is the true metric.

(11-23-2011 12:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:26 AM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:23 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 11:58 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 08:10 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  fixed that for you

You most certainly did not. If anything you broke that ****.

For one thing, if all goes according to plan, Houston won't be a part of the new CUSA; so the strength of their program is irrelevant to the conversation.

But all that aside, I said programs. Name a MAC school that comes close to ECU's fan support.

Who cares.

Apparently about 35,000 more fans than the average MAC school.

Tennessee should be ranked #8 in the country if attendance is the true metric.

And again, we're talking about the success of programs. Not the success of football teams.

And Tennessee is certainly one of the most successful football programs in the country, and if I were the decision-maker of any major conference, I'd take Tennessee over all but a handful of schools.

And likewise, if I had the choice between playing in a conference with schools like Tennessee verses playing against a school like, say, Boise State (who has clearly had more on-the field success of late than the Vols), then I'd take Tennessee any day of the week.

So the MAC has a few decent football teams. It doesn't have a program on the level of ECU, Southern Miss or Tulsa. With the exception of maybe Temple, who I'm suggesting should jump ship.

EDIT: so yes, I'd say attendance is a good metric.

(11-23-2011 12:50 AM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:26 AM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:23 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 11:58 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  You most certainly did not. If anything you broke that ****.

For one thing, if all goes according to plan, Houston won't be a part of the new CUSA; so the strength of their program is irrelevant to the conversation.

But all that aside, I said programs. Name a MAC school that comes close to ECU's fan support.

Who cares.

Apparently about 35,000 more fans than the average MAC school.

Tennessee should be ranked #8 in the country if attendance is the true metric.

And again, we're talking about the success of programs. Not the success of football teams.

And Tennessee is certainly one of the most successful football programs in the country, and if I were the decision-maker of any major conference, I'd take Tennessee over all but a handful of schools.

And likewise, if I had the choice between playing in a conference with schools like Tennessee verses playing against a school like, say, Boise State (who has clearly had more on-the field success of late than the Vols), then I'd take Tennessee any day of the week.

So the MAC has a few decent football teams. It doesn't have a program on the level of ECU, Southern Miss or Tulsa. With the exception of maybe Temple, who I'm suggesting should jump ship.

EDIT: so yes, I'd say attendance is a good metric.

Both Ohio and Toledo have regularly better attendance than Temple so I'm not quite sure where you are going with there.

(11-23-2011 12:54 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:50 AM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:26 AM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 12:23 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Who cares.

Apparently about 35,000 more fans than the average MAC school.

Tennessee should be ranked #8 in the country if attendance is the true metric.

And again, we're talking about the success of programs. Not the success of football teams.

And Tennessee is certainly one of the most successful football programs in the country, and if I were the decision-maker of any major conference, I'd take Tennessee over all but a handful of schools.

And likewise, if I had the choice between playing in a conference with schools like Tennessee verses playing against a school like, say, Boise State (who has clearly had more on-the field success of late than the Vols), then I'd take Tennessee any day of the week.

So the MAC has a few decent football teams. It doesn't have a program on the level of ECU, Southern Miss or Tulsa. With the exception of maybe Temple, who I'm suggesting should jump ship.

EDIT: so yes, I'd say attendance is a good metric.

Both Ohio and Toledo have regularly better attendance than Temple so I'm not quite sure where you are going with there.

Hmm.... 2010 attendance averages:

Temple: 20,515
Ohio: 19,046
Toledo: 19,333


But none the less, your point's well made. Temple doesn't exactly dwarf the others in attendance.

you can keep on dreaming- no MAC team is going to leave to go to the alliance. It's a lateral move with a lot more travel costs. DOA. Wouldn't even consider it for more than 2 seconds..