You want to preserve current spending level for country club sports therefore you do not want for what is best for etsu athletics. Its no more complicated then that. You've bought into the dogma of a corrupt little fat tennis coach that all sports are equal and deserve more than just a fighting chance to win. You're probably going to spend a large portion of tomorrow afternoon playing candyland, as well. Sports aren't equal and neither are the genders. No matter how much you and chubbs pretend otherwise. Real athletic departments understand this.

By the way, how many all sports trophies has etsu won as a result of dumping money on the little sports and how many times has that been mentioned by broadcasters during those rare times men's basketball actually makes it on TV these days????? Exactly. No one cares.

(11-23-2011 12:52 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  You want to preserve current spending level for country club sports therefore you do not want for what is best for etsu athletics. Its no more complicated then that. You've bought into the dogma of a corrupt little fat tennis coach that all sports are equal and deserve more than just a fighting chance to win. You're probably going to spend a large portion of tomorrow afternoon playing candyland, as well. Sports aren't equal and neither are the genders. No matter how much you and chubbs pretend otherwise. Real athletic departments understand this.

By the way, how many all sports trophies has etsu won as a result of dumping money on the little sports and how many times has that been mentioned by broadcasters during those rare times men's basketball actually makes it on TV these days????? Exactly. No one cares.

another quality gold post....that really says nothing

The classic slappy retreat.

(11-23-2011 01:26 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  The classic slappy retreat.

stay classy......kennesaw

That wasn't even clever.

(11-23-2011 09:02 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  you have one side correct. the football folks have taken thier ball and gone home for sure. but to say the other side is just "staying the course" is incorrect. thats what the footballers say and you have bought into thier thinking. i want what is best for etsu athletics...period.

you need to go back and read the past posts as this has all been covered before ad nauseum. as i have alluded to before, etsu football has had 80 years to "elevate" athletics. thats not being negetive, its just the truth. athletics programs can be elevated without the use of football. that does not mean in any way i do not want to see it reinsteted. We can leave the asun without football if we had an AD that wanted to leave the asun. we have had our chances and will have others, if that is what the new administration wants.

we have been over this fundraising thing before too. the BFFF has had 8 years to raise significant funds. they should take thier bags of money (not promised money...REAL money) to the new president as seed money and start this fund as you stated. i have no problem with that, nor will the new president. set a goal level and try to get there...have at it. but as i have said before, that may not be your best option, because it may blow up in your face, just like the student vote. yeah, yeah, i know it was a flawed vote...but it was voted down overwhelmingly, with a VERY SMALL percentage of students casting a vote, which is a bigger issue.

all of your other injustices that you speak of is the past and will become even more irrevelant than it already is on Jan 14th when stanton leaves. The new president is not going to right a wrong from the past administration, you are starting from scratch.

when i say "cup runeth over" that does not just mean from a financial standpoint. you have to have a strong, steady, SUPPORTIVE fanbase in order to take on starting a football program at this level. this is not Houston Baptist College, Brevard or the likes. Those are glorified intramural teams. And NOBODY wants to see that. The new president is not going to bring back football just to have a team. He will have more riding on it than just appeasing the ones that want football just because...

The most significant conclusion of the student vote was that since only 3000 students voted, the other 12000 didn't care enough about having their fees raised to even take a few minutes to log on and vote online - that's very telling. ETSU has raised fees for less reasons than this for years.

I (again) disagree about the "righting past wrongs." If I came into that position and saw how much we were spending on athletics compared to 8 years ago and what we had to show for it, I'd change some things quick. That's not an isolated "fringe" opinion.

I just don't see you getting much more support than you already have for ETSU athletics in it's current form. Basketball attendance is down, and with that annual BASA giving is down - those two go hand in hand. Something has to change for ETSU to garner more support on either side of this equation. You either get buy-in from the football folks for the current form of ETSU athletics without football, or you actively pursue the sport. I just don't see how you get more people interested in A-Sun competition (especially with Belmont leaving) without some major changes. We are not better off in basketball than we were 8 years ago, and that's what matters most to the most people.

I was talking casually with someone at work today who is an ETSU grad, but doesn't really care one way or the other. His statement was "isn't ETSU having more succes without football anyway?" His mentality is the problem. Success? 16 seeds? Losing championship games against Division II up and comers? Rivalries with FGSU and SC Upstate? I keep hearing the naysayers repeating the statement that "nobody showed up for football games". Fact is...more people showed up for those football games than show up for these basketball games. No one who is thinking rationally can honestly believe we are better off now.

(11-23-2011 10:55 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 09:02 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  you have one side correct. the football folks have taken thier ball and gone home for sure. but to say the other side is just "staying the course" is incorrect. thats what the footballers say and you have bought into thier thinking. i want what is best for etsu athletics...period.

you need to go back and read the past posts as this has all been covered before ad nauseum. as i have alluded to before, etsu football has had 80 years to "elevate" athletics. thats not being negetive, its just the truth. athletics programs can be elevated without the use of football. that does not mean in any way i do not want to see it reinsteted. We can leave the asun without football if we had an AD that wanted to leave the asun. we have had our chances and will have others, if that is what the new administration wants.

we have been over this fundraising thing before too. the BFFF has had 8 years to raise significant funds. they should take thier bags of money (not promised money...REAL money) to the new president as seed money and start this fund as you stated. i have no problem with that, nor will the new president. set a goal level and try to get there...have at it. but as i have said before, that may not be your best option, because it may blow up in your face, just like the student vote. yeah, yeah, i know it was a flawed vote...but it was voted down overwhelmingly, with a VERY SMALL percentage of students casting a vote, which is a bigger issue.

all of your other injustices that you speak of is the past and will become even more irrevelant than it already is on Jan 14th when stanton leaves. The new president is not going to right a wrong from the past administration, you are starting from scratch.

when i say "cup runeth over" that does not just mean from a financial standpoint. you have to have a strong, steady, SUPPORTIVE fanbase in order to take on starting a football program at this level. this is not Houston Baptist College, Brevard or the likes. Those are glorified intramural teams. And NOBODY wants to see that. The new president is not going to bring back football just to have a team. He will have more riding on it than just appeasing the ones that want football just because...

The most significant conclusion of the student vote was that since only 3000 students voted, the other 12000 didn't care enough about having their fees raised to even take a few minutes to log on and vote online - that's very telling. ETSU has raised fees for less reasons than this for years.

I (again) disagree about the "righting past wrongs." If I came into that position and saw how much we were spending on athletics compared to 8 years ago and what we had to show for it, I'd change some things quick. That's not an isolated "fringe" opinion.

I just don't see you getting much more support than you already have for ETSU athletics in it's current form. Basketball attendance is down, and with that annual BASA giving is down - those two go hand in hand. Something has to change for ETSU to garner more support on either side of this equation. You either get buy-in from the football folks for the current form of ETSU athletics without football, or you actively pursue the sport. I just don't see how you get more people interested in A-Sun competition (especially with Belmont leaving) without some major changes. We are not better off in basketball than we were 8 years ago, and that's what matters most to the most people.

your not even reading the post you are respnonding to. one track mind. and by the way, you are not coming into that position, so what you would do is completely irrevelant...