Sandusky was recruiting kids to play for PSU as late as this current 2012 Class.

Watch the vid

http://www.wyff4.com/r/29738465/detail.html

Now the talks of Death Penalty for football can actually begin. How many other kids Sandusky recruited to play for PSU.

Is there something wrong with him recruiting in general? As unpalatable as it seems, a child rapist working the recruiting trail does not (by itself) constitute a NCAA violation.

edit: clarified my thought

Nothing is out of bounds at Pedophile State University

(11-11-2011 02:13 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  Is there something wrong with him recruiting in general? As unpalatable as it seems, a child rapist working the recruiting trail does not (by itself) constitute a NCAA violation.

edit: clarified my thought

Could depend on if Sandusky was a booster or donor. And most people that buy any tickets are classified as donors. Its a slippery slope where me and you can't hit people up on facebook w/out a possible violation. Therefore, Sandusky is at the very least a donor.

(11-11-2011 02:18 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 02:13 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  Is there something wrong with him recruiting in general? As unpalatable as it seems, a child rapist working the recruiting trail does not (by itself) constitute a NCAA violation.

edit: clarified my thought

Could depend on if Sandusky was a booster or donor. And most people that buy any tickets are classified as donors. Its a slippery slope where me and you can't hit people up on facebook w/out a possible violation. Therefore, Sandusky is at the very least a donor.

Good point.

(11-11-2011 02:18 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 02:13 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  Is there something wrong with him recruiting in general? As unpalatable as it seems, a child rapist working the recruiting trail does not (by itself) constitute a NCAA violation.

edit: clarified my thought

Could depend on if Sandusky was a booster or donor. And most people that buy any tickets are classified as donors. Its a slippery slope where me and you can't hit people up on facebook w/out a possible violation. Therefore, Sandusky is at the very least a donor.

I'll concede the point, this time. You're right.

It still won't get them the death penalty. I honestly believe that ANY PSU athlete should be allowed to transfer without penalty. Student-athletes should be able to choose to not have their degrees and athletic accomplishments associated with that garbage and filth.

While I could probably cite many morality clauses in the NCAA bylaws I think we all know that the death penalty is on its way - if PSU doesn't apply it themselves.

It is shocking to me that you need recruiting violations to make this an NCAA problem. The Death Penalty talk is justified because the reason the NCAA was even founded was to protect the student athlete. I'm pretty sure covering up a scandal like this and allowing a pedophile to roam the halls and be involved in the program goes against the idea of protection.

Death penalty

Quote:I honestly believe that ANY PSU athlete should be allowed to transfer without penalty.

Ponder for a moment the havoc John Calipari would wreak were that door opened.

If this university doesn't get a 2x4 to its face directly, nothing is going to save justice in this sport. Nothing.

I'm about to give up on college football, as hard as it is...

I don't see any NCAA issues here. Terrible as this might be, it's well beyond the scope of what the NCAA was created to deal with. The NCAA is about setting rules for athletic competition. It doesn't really have anything to do with criminal investigations. This is going to hurt Penn State a lot, but I don't think it's going to be on an NCAA basis.

(11-11-2011 02:11 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  Sandusky was recruiting kids to play for PSU as late as this current 2012 Class.

Watch the vid

http://www.wyff4.com/r/29738465/detail.html

Now the talks of Death Penalty for football can actually begin. How many other kids Sandusky recruited to play for PSU.

Shut them down!
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(11-11-2011 02:11 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  Sandusky was recruiting kids to play for PSU as late as this current 2012 Class.

Watch the vid

http://www.wyff4.com/r/29738465/detail.html

Now the talks of Death Penalty for football can actually begin. How many other kids Sandusky recruited to play for PSU.

I saw that online.

I think the big deal with this isn't that he was actually recruiting them to play at PSU...he was "recruiting" them.

He was somehow getting the names of kids that PSU sent letters to, and then he would call on them, make visits, etc.

You see where this is going, right?

He wasn't really trying to get these kids to play for PSU (maybe he told them that) HE wanted to PLAY with them. Maybe he was trying to coerce a HS player into doing something in exchange for a scholarship.

He's 67, so even if the kids were 18, maybe it was young enough for him.

Pretty much everything this Sandusky does is geared towards molesting kids.

(11-11-2011 10:07 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

Quote:I honestly believe that ANY PSU athlete should be allowed to transfer without penalty.

Ponder for a moment the havoc John Calipari would wreak were that door opened.

Penn State probably doesn't have anyone that could play at UK right now.

(11-11-2011 02:34 PM)MinerEric Wrote:  While I could probably cite many morality clauses in the NCAA bylaws I think we all know that the death penalty is on its way - if PSU doesn't apply it themselves.

It is shocking to me that you need recruiting violations to make this an NCAA problem. The Death Penalty talk is justified because the reason the NCAA was even founded was to protect the student athlete. I'm pretty sure covering up a scandal like this and allowing a pedophile to roam the halls and be involved in the program goes against the idea of protection.

I would like to see someone...anyone...quote what part of the NCAA bylaws were violated. Too many people, IMHO, are trying to apply a sports punishment to a criminal problem. While retribution is on most people's minds; it would be a very, very dangerous precedent for the NCAA to control things beyond the scope of their purpose.

BTW, this wasn't student-athletes being hurt; this was about young boys. Your whole point about the creation of the NCAA is non-applicable.

(11-12-2011 02:46 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 02:34 PM)MinerEric Wrote:  While I could probably cite many morality clauses in the NCAA bylaws I think we all know that the death penalty is on its way - if PSU doesn't apply it themselves.

It is shocking to me that you need recruiting violations to make this an NCAA problem. The Death Penalty talk is justified because the reason the NCAA was even founded was to protect the student athlete. I'm pretty sure covering up a scandal like this and allowing a pedophile to roam the halls and be involved in the program goes against the idea of protection.

I would like to see someone...anyone...quote what part of the NCAA bylaws were violated. Too many people, IMHO, are trying to apply a sports punishment to a criminal problem. While retribution is on most people's minds; it would be a very, very dangerous precedent for the NCAA to control things beyond the scope of their purpose.

BTW, this wasn't student-athletes being hurt; this was about young boys. Your whole point about the creation of the NCAA is non-applicable.

I agree 99tiger. If it wasn't for this scandal taking place, what we're talking about in this thread is a minor infraction-probably loss of a scholly or 2 for a year or 2. But this minor infraction coupled w/ the integrity of the leadership before hand, just might be enough for the NCAA to snoop around and find other infractions and build a case towards Lack of Institutional Control.

(11-12-2011 02:46 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  I would like to see someone...anyone...quote what part of the NCAA bylaws were violated. Too many people, IMHO, are trying to apply a sports punishment to a criminal problem. While retribution is on most people's minds; it would be a very, very dangerous precedent for the NCAA to control things beyond the scope of their purpose.

BTW, this wasn't student-athletes being hurt; this was about young boys. Your whole point about the creation of the NCAA is non-applicable.

Challenge Accepted!

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Constitution, Article 6: Institutional Control, page 43 in the NCAA Constitution Operating Bylaws Effective August 1, 2009, states as followed

6.01.1 Institutional Control. The control and responsiblity for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the instituion itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

6.1.1 President or Chancellor. A member institution's president or chancellor has ultimate responsiblity and final authority for the condut of the intercollegiate athletics program and the actions of any board in control of that program (revised 3/8/06)
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thats part one, here is part two they can be hit for
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10.1 Unethical Conduct
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but not limited to, the following (revised: 1/10/90, 1/9/96, 2/22,01)
(gives a list from a-j of various infractions but note the statement above that I bolded-molestation by coach would qualify to this "unethical conduct"
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this is part 3 that would hit Joe Pa
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11.1 Conduct of Athletics Personel
11.1.2 Responsibility for violations of NCAA regulations. Institutional staff members found in violation of NCAA regulations shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action as set forth in the provisions of the NCAA enforcement procedures, whether such violations occurred at the certifying instiution or during the individual's previous employment at another member institution.
11.1.2 Responsibility of Head Coach.It shall be the responsibility of an institutions's head coac to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the program supervised by the coach and to monitor the activies regarding compliance of all assistant coaches and other administrators involved with the program who report directy or indirectly to the coach




I could probably continue but it is a huge manual over 400 pages. so between failure of institutional control-look up Clery Act, and 11.1.2 on Responsibility of Head Coach, que in McQueary, If Penn State does not get the Death Penalty on this one, I will lose complete respect for the NCAA and their hypocritical ways.

wow... great stuff Ivet... I take back what I've been saying all along

(11-11-2011 02:18 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 02:13 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  Is there something wrong with him recruiting in general? As unpalatable as it seems, a child rapist working the recruiting trail does not (by itself) constitute a NCAA violation.

edit: clarified my thought

Could depend on if Sandusky was a booster or donor. And most people that buy any tickets are classified as donors. Its a slippery slope where me and you can't hit people up on facebook w/out a possible violation. Therefore, Sandusky is at the very least a donor.

Or...was Sandusky just an unpaid "full time coach"??? Afterall, he had an OFFICE in the PSU Football Building...which most boosters/donors do not have.

One has to ask if Joe Pa made Sandusky "recruit" for PSU (advantage for PSU would be an extra coach on the recruiting trail outside the NCAA guidelines) in exchange for Joe Pa's SILENCE on Sandusky's molestation cases??

I can see Sandusky saying YES to that...plus, for the pervert, it gave him access to Penn State (and their facilities) which he knew would make it easier for him to attract his victims ("hey trouble youth 10 yr old...want to go check out PSU Football facilities late at night?")

The whole thing is sick...which is why Joe Pa has now hired a very prominent and powerful CRIMINAL ATTORNEY.

He will need it.

Quote:Penn State probably doesn't have anyone that could play at UK right now.

No, but if you allow players to transfer immediately in one case without an NCAA penalty, Cal would find ways to apply that elsewhere.

Penn State was enabled by fans. Ultimately, all of us bear some shame - that's why the reactions are so visceral.

Maybe shutting them down isn't enough. Maybe we need a one-year moratorium on ALL Division One football.