Perhaps the Poster or someone else can answer these questions.

How did/does Lincoln Memorial create a brand new medical (located in Harrogate) and law schools (located in Knoxville) in the last few years? I realize LMU has a big-time donor, I believe DeBusk is his name. Surely it is not as simple as having a money bags.
Why does King College want to start a medical school? Where would they get the funding to do so?
How is the Appy school of Pharmacy affecting ETSU College of pharmacy?
If ETSU has a hard time fully funding QCOM how will it fund a dental school?

(11-10-2011 03:42 PM)buc1997 Wrote:  Perhaps the Poster or someone else can answer these questions.

How did/does Lincoln Memorial create a brand new medical (located in Harrogate) and law schools (located in Knoxville) in the last few years? I realize LMU has a big-time donor, I believe DeBusk is his name. Surely it is not as simple as having a money bags.
Why does King College want to start a medical school? Where would they get the funding to do so?
How is the Appy school of Pharmacy affecting ETSU College of pharmacy?
If ETSU has a hard time fully funding QCOM how will it fund a dental school?

The LMU school gives the doctor of osteopathy and accreditation standards are very different for a DO degree and an MD. The requirement for viable, funded research in a school offering an MD is one example and the varied residency programs is another. DeBusk did provide the start-up funds and the operating budget comes mostly from tuition. Because it is not a state school there is no requirement to take Tennessee residents as there is for ETSU and UT where only about 10% of the class is out-of-state. The funding model is similar model to the ETSU Pharmacy school. Unless things have changed over the last two years the ETSU college of pharmacy doesn't recieve any state funds. That was the agreement between ETSU and the state when the school was founded. I don't know how App State's program impact ETSU. I have been told, however, that graduates from ETSU are not now finding jobs in the northeast Tennessee area. The need for pharmacists in the area was the driving argument that Guy Wilson, Gary Mabry and others used to get the pharmacy school, it apparently didn't take too many classes to fill that need. Some might view the dental school as visionary. However, there is sometimes a thin line between a vision and an hallucination.

As OldGrayDog noted, DeBusk put up the big money and maybe some more, too, not sure. I'm not hep to the details of that place, except that I do know there's a pretty good bit of excitement there and in the surrounding areas for it. Also, as OGD said, tuition pays most of it. A DO school is MUCH cheaper to start and run than a *real* (can I say that?) medical school. I don't really mean to knock DO's, but as time goes on, I realize more and more that many lay people even around here don't really know the difference. I'm continually surprised by this, but that seems to be the way things are going....
(BTW, there's also such a school in Pikeville, KY, if that tells you anything....)

Similar situation with what's going on in Appalachia, VA, with their law school and pharmacy school. Have you seen pics of the main building of the law school? It looks very much like an old high school, circa 1952. I'm sure it's been modernized, etc., but still.......
(And btw, OGD, I think buc1997 was referring to this (the one in Appalachia) school, because Appy St. doesn't have one.)
This pharmacy school *is* affecting ETSU's school. I know that for a fact because I know about 3 people who go there instead of ETSU.
First of all, it's a 3-yr. program instead of 4, so that means you can get out quicker and start paying off your loans. The negative (imo) is that there's not *nearly* as much chance to interact with corroborative medical infrastructures, like there is here. If one only wants to go to work in a basic pharmacy, and you can pass your exams, no big deal, go for it.
OGD is also correct in that the need for pharmacists that did exist is now pretty much filled. You can still get jobs, but they're not nearly as plentiful.

King College is getting their money for their med school from various sources, including, but certainly not limited to: King itself, Wellmont, City of Abingdon (cash and land totaling about $7+ million!), Washington Co., VA., other local political entities (smaller amounts), and private donations (KVAT Food City being a large one), but that's just to get started. I think the state of VA will eventually kick in some $$ to get it started (but I don't think that's a done deal yet). There may even be some federal money, but that's also only speculation at this point. It's going to be private, too, and thus tuition will keep it going.
Let me also say, that, as I understand it, this med school will be a bit different from ours, being more research-based (at least theoretically), and aim for more specialties, as opposed to our family medicine emphasis. There are some semi-complex reasons for that, that I won't go into. So, hopefully some degree of complementarity there....

The dental school would most likely be funded with the same formula as the pharmacy school, or some approximation thereof. That's just my guess, without checking sources for confirmation.

Hope all that helps; all that info is to the best of my knowledge - I haven't gone and dug for it, but I do have a wide range of contacts.

(11-10-2011 10:36 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  As OldGrayDog noted, DeBusk put up the big money and maybe some more, too, not sure. I'm not hep to the details of that place, except that I do know there's a pretty good bit of excitement there and in the surrounding areas for it. Also, as OGD said, tuition pays most of it. A DO school is MUCH cheaper to start and run than a *real* (can I say that?) medical school. I don't really mean to knock DO's, but as time goes on, I realize more and more that many lay people even around here don't really know the difference. I'm continually surprised by this, but that seems to be the way things are going....
(BTW, there's also such a school in Pikeville, KY, if that tells you anything....)

Similar situation with what's going on in Appalachia, VA, with their law school and pharmacy school. Have you seen pics of the main building of the law school? It looks very much like an old high school, circa 1952. I'm sure it's been modernized, etc., but still.......
(And btw, OGD, I think buc1997 was referring to this (the one in Appalachia) school, because Appy St. doesn't have one.)
This pharmacy school *is* affecting ETSU's school. I know that for a fact because I know about 3 people who go there instead of ETSU.
First of all, it's a 3-yr. program instead of 4, so that means you can get out quicker and start paying off your loans. The negative (imo) is that there's not *nearly* as much chance to interact with corroborative medical infrastructures, like there is here. If one only wants to go to work in a basic pharmacy, and you can pass your exams, no big deal, go for it.
OGD is also correct in that the need for pharmacists that did exist is now pretty much filled. You can still get jobs, but they're not nearly as plentiful.

King College is getting their money for their med school from various sources, including, but certainly not limited to: King itself, Wellmont, City of Abingdon (cash and land totaling about $7+ million!), Washington Co., VA., other local political entities (smaller amounts), and private donations (KVAT Food City being a large one), but that's just to get started. I think the state of VA will eventually kick in some $$ to get it started (but I don't think that's a done deal yet). There may even be some federal money, but that's also only speculation at this point. It's going to be private, too, and thus tuition will keep it going.
Let me also say, that, as I understand it, this med school will be a bit different from ours, being more research-based (at least theoretically), and aim for more specialties, as opposed to our family medicine emphasis. There are some semi-complex reasons for that, that I won't go into. So, hopefully some degree of complementarity there....

The dental school would most likely be funded with the same formula as the pharmacy school, or some approximation thereof. That's just my guess, without checking sources for confirmation.

Hope all that helps; all that info is to the best of my knowledge - I haven't gone and dug for it, but I do have a wide range of contacts.

Thanks for the information. Sorry I should have been clearer about
refering to the school in Appalachia, VA not Boone, NC.
I think, I recall reading somewhere that the Food City folks were big supporters of the Pharmacy College at ETSU. Are they not happy with the status quo at ETSU?
When I was enrolled at ETSU I remember that various professors
of mine commenting that Tennessee legislature would never adequately fund QCOM over the long haul. Which is one reason why Quillen had such a difficult time getting school started in the first place.

(11-11-2011 04:00 AM)buc1997 Wrote:  I think, I recall reading somewhere that the Food City folks were big supporters of the Pharmacy College at ETSU. Are they not happy with the status quo at ETSU?
When I was enrolled at ETSU I remember that various professors
of mine commenting that Tennessee legislature would never adequately fund QCOM over the long haul. Which is one reason why Quillen had such a difficult time getting school started in the first place.

I don't remember Mr. Smith(?) and Food City being big supporters of the Pharmacy school. I may just not remember it, though.
And note that Food City (headquartered in Abingdon, I believe) has pharmacies in lots of it's stores, and would directly benefit from a supply of more, less expensive(?) pharmacists to hire. So it might make sense for them to help make it happen.

From your handle, I'm guessing you're a 1997 grad of ETSU, so you wouldn't be old enough to remember the establishment of the med school here, and what a knockdown, drag-out fight it was. It only passed by one vote, and that was cast by Ned McWherter as then Speaker-of-the-House, to break a tie, over the veto of the governor. He made significant political enemies with that vote, esp. including said governor, Winfield Dunn. I won't go into chapter-and-verse on all that - it's easy to track down if you're interested. But the point is that most politicians outside of this area, and especially west of Knoxville (and the ones around there were split) were against it, because even though federal money was going to be available to start it up, after 5(?) years, state money would have to be used to support it. They feared it would both a) weaken the one in Memphis, and b) take away some of the prestige of the one in Memphis. I doubt any of us know the degree of logrolling (or *quid pro quo*) deals that quillen (small caps for reasons not germane to this discussion) resorted to in order to get the votes needed. Certainly this area probably suffered in other funding ways that we'll likely never know.

So, to summarize, there's actually two reasons for the state not supporting QCOM adequately. I think in this day and time, it's really 1) that the state overall is just poor - a sales tax-based funding system will do that to a state in bad economic times; and 2) some residual hard feelings over the political machinations that got the school established. I think the overall political feeling is kinda "Well, it's sure a (small) drain on our budget, but it's also "too important to fail", and would be terribly embarrassing.
Remember, this situation exists in macrocosm for ETSU as a whole. I don't know that QCOM is funded by the state at a lower percentage of ideal than ETSU as a whole. That's probably almost a matter of opinion....

(11-10-2011 10:36 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  As OldGrayDog noted, DeBusk put up the big money and maybe some more, too, not sure. I'm not hep to the details of that place, except that I do know there's a pretty good bit of excitement there and in the surrounding areas for it. Also, as OGD said, tuition pays most of it. A DO school is MUCH cheaper to start and run than a *real* (can I say that?) medical school. I don't really mean to knock DO's, but as time goes on, I realize more and more that many lay people even around here don't really know the difference. I'm continually surprised by this, but that seems to be the way things are going....
(BTW, there's also such a school in Pikeville, KY, if that tells you anything....)

Similar situation with what's going on in Appalachia, VA, with their law school and pharmacy school. Have you seen pics of the main building of the law school? It looks very much like an old high school, circa 1952. I'm sure it's been modernized, etc., but still.......
(And btw, OGD, I think buc1997 was referring to this (the one in Appalachia) school, because Appy St. doesn't have one.)
This pharmacy school *is* affecting ETSU's school. I know that for a fact because I know about 3 people who go there instead of ETSU.
First of all, it's a 3-yr. program instead of 4, so that means you can get out quicker and start paying off your loans. The negative (imo) is that there's not *nearly* as much chance to interact with corroborative medical infrastructures, like there is here. If one only wants to go to work in a basic pharmacy, and you can pass your exams, no big deal, go for it.
OGD is also correct in that the need for pharmacists that did exist is now pretty much filled. You can still get jobs, but they're not nearly as plentiful.

King College is getting their money for their med school from various sources, including, but certainly not limited to: King itself, Wellmont, City of Abingdon (cash and land totaling about $7+ million!), Washington Co., VA., other local political entities (smaller amounts), and private donations (KVAT Food City being a large one), but that's just to get started. I think the state of VA will eventually kick in some $$ to get it started (but I don't think that's a done deal yet). There may even be some federal money, but that's also only speculation at this point. It's going to be private, too, and thus tuition will keep it going.
Let me also say, that, as I understand it, this med school will be a bit different from ours, being more research-based (at least theoretically), and aim for more specialties, as opposed to our family medicine emphasis. There are some semi-complex reasons for that, that I won't go into. So, hopefully some degree of complementarity there....

The dental school would most likely be funded with the same formula as the pharmacy school, or some approximation thereof. That's just my guess, without checking sources for confirmation.

Hope all that helps; all that info is to the best of my knowledge - I haven't gone and dug for it, but I do have a wide range of contacts.

Formerlyknownas etc. - I've not been in the area for a few years now, but before I left JC I heard rumors that John Gregory was interested in making a sizable donation into a medical school at King. He has the resources from his profits from King Pharmaceuticals and only supports schools that are tied to a church so the rumor has some face value. Have you heard anything like that? Not that any of this really has a direct relation to this board, but gossip's always fun. My memory is similar to yours regarding the QCOM's start-up. Ned Ray did profit from casting the deciding vote to overturn Dunn's veto of the medical school bill. When he ran for governor the first time Dunn tried for a political resurrection and ran against him. It is really hard for a republican candidate for governor to lose the counties in northeast Tennessee, but Dunn pulled it off which put Ned Ray into the office. I remember hearing both Dunn and McWherter campaign. Dunn was doing mea culpas and McWherter kept saying "Remember who go you all your medical school" which we did. Thus endeth the history lesson for today.

Well, concerning the whole Gregory family, it's gotten a bit muddled. As you probably know, there was a falling out with at least one of them, and at this point in time I don't remember which one. I do believe one or more of them would likely contribute, and I may even have heard something about that back when this was first announced. Although they still have beaucoups money, I think with the King Pharm. problems, some of that got washed away. Used to be kinda up on all that, but not lately. Complicated family business involvements there...

[Even though you say "gossip's always fun", I think it best in this case to leave most of that out of it from my perspective; it might get too political.]

(11-12-2011 09:45 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Well, concerning the whole Gregory family, it's gotten a bit muddled. As you probably know, there was a falling out with at least one of them, and at this point in time I don't remember which one. I do believe one or more of them would likely contribute, and I may even have heard something about that back when this was first announced. Although they still have beaucoups money, I think with the King Pharm. problems, some of that got washed away. Used to be kinda up on all that, but not lately. Complicated family business involvements there...

[Even though you say "gossip's always fun", I think it best in this case to leave most of that out of it from my perspective; it might get too political.]

I agree completely. It's good to have an idea of who and who might not contribute which involves some "gossip", but gossiping won't get the athletic program in order.

(11-10-2011 10:36 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  King College is getting their money for their med school from various sources, including, but certainly not limited to: King itself, Wellmont, City of Abingdon (cash and land totaling about $7+ million!), Washington Co., VA., other local political entities (smaller amounts), and private donations (KVAT Food City being a large one), but that's just to get started. I think the state of VA will eventually kick in some $$ to get it started (but I don't think that's a done deal yet). There may even be some federal money, but that's also only speculation at this point. It's going to be private, too, and thus tuition will keep it going.

The Virginia Tobacco Commission's commitment of $25 million early in the process helped give King's idea for a medical school real momentum and is the key to it being located in Virginia.

http://schoolofmedicine.king.edu/nc/sing...al-school/

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2011/sep/...r-1344857/

(11-14-2011 03:39 PM)BucsFan Wrote:  [quote='posterformerlyknownasthedoctor' pid='7121917' dateline='1320982611']
King College is getting their money for their med school from various sources, including, but certainly not limited to: King itself, Wellmont, City of Abingdon (cash and land totaling about $7+ million!), Washington Co., VA., other local political entities (smaller amounts), and private donations (KVAT Food City being a large one), but that's just to get started. I think the state of VA will eventually kick in some $$ to get it started (but I don't think that's a done deal yet). There may even be some federal money, but that's also only speculation at this point. It's going to be private, too, and thus tuition will keep it going.

The Virginia Tobacco Commission's commitment of $25 million early in the process helped give King's idea for a medical school real momentum and is the key to it being located in Virginia.

Just curious what is ETSU's official response to the new medical school? I thought that QCOM was/is fulfilling one of its main missions by turning out physicians that practice in rural East Tennessee/SW Virginia? Are we seeing mission overlap?