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The Darker side of Apple.
I think this article on Yahoo could generate a good discusion:

With the passing of Steve Jobs last month, there have been countless tributes to the man who created the company that changed the world. But along side all the amazingly beautiful, functional and revolutionary products Jobs created, there is a slighter darker side to Apple, which rarely makes headlines.

Mike Daisey, storyteller extraordinaire and lifelong "Machead", explores both the good and the bad surrounding Apple in his new Off Broadway play appropriately titled, "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs."

The professional monologist joined The Daily Ticker's Aaron Task to talk about the show he created and currently performs in at Manhattan's Public Theater. In the accompanying video, Aaron and Daisey discuss the "agony " aspect of Apple, which focuses on the reportedly horrendous labor conditions in the Chinese manufacturing plants where some Apple products are made. (For the "ecstasy" part of this interview, see: The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs: Mike Daisey Says Technology Is 'New Religion')

China's Foxconn: Workers Worked to Death
It was back in the spring of 2010 when at least 10 suicides were reported at Foxconn's manufacturing plant in Shenzhen China. Foxconn is the world's largest electronic manufacturer making product for Hewlett-Packard, Nokia and Apple's iPad.

With nearly one million employees throughout China, the suicides raised many questions about the safety and working conditions for the people working in those plants.

As research for his show, Daisey visited Foxconn—a place many journalists and Americans have never visited—and what he found surprised him beyond belief.

"What I was really shocked by was institutionalized dehumanization," he says. "The systems that are put in place are working and the objective of them working is to work people, basically, to death."

He's talking about "massive production lines" where people work "endlessly." Workers are never rotated and end up doing the same task hundreds of thousand of times. "I met many workers whose joints in their hands have disintegrated from doing that work…. [Hands] literally swollen, literally deformed [and] permanently warped," he explains.

Out of Sight, Out of Mind
Most Americans don't give a second thought to how our toys and gadgets are made or how they make it onto store shelves. Daisey hopes his story will open a few eyes.

But without a question, he believes Steve Jobs, knew what the conditions where on the ground at Foxconn. And the same goes today for Apple's new CEO Tim Cook. "Apple is a company that believes in micromanagement. They pay attention to details," says Daisey. "There is not question in my mind that they know what conditions are like on the ground."

As said above, Apple is not the only company to do business with Foxconn. Over the last two decades Western companies have shipped hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs overseas to not only China's Foxconn, but other manufactures in third world countries, in a hunt for cheap labor. Unfortunately in doing so, Corporate America chose to ignore its Western values and high labor standards, says Daisey.

What You Can Do
If you are at all moved by these details discussed in this interview, Daisey has a couple tips on how you can try to make a difference.

#1 — Stop upgrading your technology all the time. By doing so you'd prevent pumping money back into the electronic industry so often, which signals demand to tech companies that then rush to satisfy that demand and produce new products. On top of that, it will save you money, save the environment and lessen the human costs to make these techonologies.

#2 — Email Apple CEO Tim Cook and tell him how you feel. His email address is [email protected]. But Daisey asks that you please don't abuse this email address.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-tic...12176.html
11-07-2011 09:47 AM
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My thoughts:

1. When people tell you to embrace diversity and multiculturalism, keep this in mind. These sorts of things are important parts of other cultures, whether you consider them to be causes or effects.

2. What's really sad is that rotating positions and other techniques actually improves productivity. So there's an element of cruelty here, it's not just about greed. See #1.

3. What nipped this in Britain and the US was Christianity. Active Christians (like the Wesleys and G. Mueller) made a huge difference, but that was effective b/c of a willingness of the people to accept Christian ethics. For all the progressives who think that throwing out Christianity is a good thing, check history. Christianity has brought more good , more freedom and liberty, more equality, more prospoerity to people, especially the weak and oppressed, than anything else. Far more.

Anywhere in the world you look at Christianity's influence, it's a positive. Anwhere it's had an impact the region is better than any pagan religion or philosophy.

Christianity, conservative, fundamental Christianity, should be embraced and promoted by anyone calling themselves "progressive".
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11-07-2011 10:09 AM
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And I just bought an iPad 2 last Friday.
11-07-2011 10:19 AM
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I bet the OWS crowd will happily get rid of its iPhones after seeing this. People before profits.
11-07-2011 10:21 AM
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I bought one a couple of months ago, but this does lead to a point. Working conditions like this would never be tolerated here. Well, wouldn't be trolerated now. Get back to me in 50 years when all unions have been destroyed.
11-07-2011 10:22 AM
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If one was willing to pay $2,865 for an iPad, then we wouldn't have this problem, would we?
11-07-2011 10:32 AM
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(11-07-2011 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I bought one a couple of months ago, but this does lead to a point. Working conditions like this would never be tolerated here. Well, wouldn't be trolerated now. Get back to me in 50 years when all unions have been destroyed.

It was not unions that helped workers. The 20th C is rife with examples of how labor organized and immediately exploited laborers far worse than the previous regime.

You readily cede the corruption that plagues unions in the US. Why do you think they offer any protection to the workers?

It was an ethic that existed in the public sphere that led to improvement. That's what you should be striving to protect and even propagate.
11-07-2011 10:33 AM
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(11-07-2011 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(11-07-2011 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I bought one a couple of months ago, but this does lead to a point. Working conditions like this would never be tolerated here. Well, wouldn't be trolerated now. Get back to me in 50 years when all unions have been destroyed.

It was not unions that helped workers. The 20th C is rife with examples of how labor organized and immediately exploited laborers far worse than the previous regime.

You readily cede the corruption that plagues unions in the US. Why do you think they offer any protection to the workers?

It was an ethic that existed in the public sphere that led to improvement. That's what you should be striving to protect and even propagate.
You are a moron.
11-07-2011 12:20 PM
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(11-07-2011 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I bought one a couple of months ago, but this does lead to a point. Working conditions like this would never be tolerated here. Well, wouldn't be trolerated now. Get back to me in 50 years when all unions have been destroyed.

The sooner the better. Time for organized labor to go away.
11-07-2011 12:31 PM
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