First North Texas won/shared 4 straight conference titles. They Troy won/shared 5 straight. This year ULL, Arkansas State and FIU seem to be the cream that is rising to the top. New era dawning in the Belt ?

We (Troy fans) are taking it pretty hard. We're not accustomed to losing this much. This year, so far, has been the decline of the Trojan Empire... I'm hoping this is just an "off year" for us and that we can pick it up strong next year.

We may be down, but I'm still proud to be a Trojan!!!

I see this as an off year. If it becomes a 3 year trend then I will buy in to the whole "Changing of the Guard" lingo. I think it's just a bad season, which most programs have. We aren't bullet proof ya know.

Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. ...

I don't think adding more teams is the answer... ULL and FIU are improving, and Troy is having an off year, QB is very young, most of our WRs are 1st year starters, no OL depth, many new faces on defense... will be back next year...

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

FIU at 4-2 has wilted? ULL at 6-1 has a black eye? 3 teams over .500, 11 OOC wins and no program has stepped up their game?

And georgia southern is gonna save the belt with their FCS talent?

(10-16-2011 10:56 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

FIU at 4-2 has wilted? ULL at 6-1 has a black eye? 3 teams over .500, 11 OOC wins and no program has stepped up their game?

And georgia southern is gonna save the belt with their FCS talent?

haha yea that is pretty ridiculous, the sunbelt is as good as its ever been

(10-16-2011 10:56 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

FIU at 4-2 has wilted? ULL at 6-1 has a black eye? 3 teams over .500, 11 OOC wins and no program has stepped up their game?

And georgia southern is gonna save the belt with their FCS talent?

Right now we are undefeated, #1 in FCS, #46 in Sagarin's. I can guarantee our talent is at least on par with the SB, the only difference being 62 vs 85 scholarships. The #2 team in the SoCon Wofford had Clemson on the ropes late in the 4th quarter, so there are very solid FCS teams out there. Wins over Memphis and UAB mean very little. Both of those teams are horrible. I am in no way saying Ga Southern would save the SB, but right now we would be in the top third of the conference and would be even better with 85 scholarhips. And with the talent in GA and only two FBS teams we would L-O-A-D up on talent. Last year there were 170 high school athletes that signed with FBS schools in GA and UGA and Ga Tech only sighned 35.

(10-16-2011 11:13 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:56 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

FIU at 4-2 has wilted? ULL at 6-1 has a black eye? 3 teams over .500, 11 OOC wins and no program has stepped up their game?

And georgia southern is gonna save the belt with their FCS talent?

Right now we are undefeated, #1 in FCS, #46 in Sagarin's. I can guarantee our talent is at least on par with the SB, the only difference being 62 vs 85 scholarships. The #2 team in the SoCon Wofford had Clemson on the ropes late in the 4th quarter, so there are very solid FCS teams out there. Wins over Memphis and UAB mean very little. Both of those teams are horrible. I am in no way saying Ga Southern would save the SB, but right now we would be in the top third of the conference and would be even better with 85 scholarhips. And with the talent in GA and only two FBS teams we would L-O-A-D up on talent. Last year there were 170 high school athletes that signed with FBS schools in GA and UGA and Ga Tech only sighned 35.

I can guarantee that no one wants you here and in regards to Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt, don't call us, we'll call you...maybe...if we get desperate.

(10-16-2011 10:26 AM)MG61 Wrote:  First North Texas won/shared 4 straight conference titles. They Troy won/shared 5 straight. This year ULL, Arkansas State and FIU seem to be the cream that is rising to the top. New era dawning in the Belt ?

To hard to say based on half of one season, ASU, ULM and Louisiana shared the title in 2005 and what have those three schools done since, all three have had a couple of 6-6 seasons and all three have changed coaches.

le sigh...how many times to FCS trolls come on here proclaiming greatness. Maybe when the WAC becomes the worst conference, they will all flock there.

Anyway, onto the subject, Am I the only one seeing an almost eerie correlation to the 2005 season? 2005 marked the end of the Mean Green Era, the conference wasn't good OOC but the 3 teams tied for the Conference Title were ASU, UL, and ULM. Notice that ASU and UL are the top 2 teams in the belt right now and ULM showed some fire last week. I think that the big difference is that this is a VERY different league than it was in 2005 and now, we are really seeing teams live up to potential. I can see a situation where the league could have an 11-1 team and 2 9-3 teams in UL, ASU, and FIU. I doubt it will happen, but if those 9-3 teams would win their bowl games, we'd actually have 3 double digit win teams in the league in one year...remember in 2005 we were in danger of not having a bowl eligible team and UNT went to their first bowl game with a losing record. Everyone should be proud of where the league is now, the bar is being raised and in the future it should be standard to try to finish with 10 or more wins.

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

Might I suggest you look at OkSt scores vs Tulsa and Kansas?

(10-16-2011 11:35 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 11:13 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:56 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

FIU at 4-2 has wilted? ULL at 6-1 has a black eye? 3 teams over .500, 11 OOC wins and no program has stepped up their game?

And georgia southern is gonna save the belt with their FCS talent?

Right now we are undefeated, #1 in FCS, #46 in Sagarin's. I can guarantee our talent is at least on par with the SB, the only difference being 62 vs 85 scholarships. The #2 team in the SoCon Wofford had Clemson on the ropes late in the 4th quarter, so there are very solid FCS teams out there. Wins over Memphis and UAB mean very little. Both of those teams are horrible. I am in no way saying Ga Southern would save the SB, but right now we would be in the top third of the conference and would be even better with 85 scholarhips. And with the talent in GA and only two FBS teams we would L-O-A-D up on talent. Last year there were 170 high school athletes that signed with FBS schools in GA and UGA and Ga Tech only sighned 35.

I can guarantee that no one wants you here and in regards to Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt, don't call us, we'll call you...maybe...if we get desperate.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I thought you of all people would have great admiration of the triple option offense after the Ga Tech game!

This isn't just an off year for Troy. The Trojans have deep problems starting with coaching, adjustments and schemes.

These issues have popped up for several years (early- to mid-year pattern of having no pass defense, making horrendous mistakes and penalties, as well as poor special teams, for examples), but Troy had enough key players to help overcome them. This year, with injuries (QB is about half of what he was) and younger and immature players, it's really hurting and I see no plan to adjust. That's what bothers me (and even the "keyboard coaches" and "cool-aid drinkers") the most.

It's very depressing.

(10-16-2011 11:47 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 11:35 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 11:13 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:56 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:41 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Unfortunately I would say it is more of changing of the guard by default than any program really stepping their game up. Troy has slipped this year and others have moved into the top tier by default. FIU showed promise but quickly wilted in the limelight. MTSU has fallen off the deep end. Lafayette is showing promise, but getting 62 layed on them by Ok St is a black eye. I am pulling for the SB, but I honestly don't think we have seen the conference elevate their strength this year. The SB needs more than anything one team to have a breakaway year which will get ESPNs attention and help every team in the conference. SB needs new blood that can stir things up a little. Will that elevate the SB? No one can say for sure, but the conference is not improving under the current scenario. It will be interesting to see what direction the new commissioner takes the SB.

FIU at 4-2 has wilted? ULL at 6-1 has a black eye? 3 teams over .500, 11 OOC wins and no program has stepped up their game?

And georgia southern is gonna save the belt with their FCS talent?

Right now we are undefeated, #1 in FCS, #46 in Sagarin's. I can guarantee our talent is at least on par with the SB, the only difference being 62 vs 85 scholarships. The #2 team in the SoCon Wofford had Clemson on the ropes late in the 4th quarter, so there are very solid FCS teams out there. Wins over Memphis and UAB mean very little. Both of those teams are horrible. I am in no way saying Ga Southern would save the SB, but right now we would be in the top third of the conference and would be even better with 85 scholarhips. And with the talent in GA and only two FBS teams we would L-O-A-D up on talent. Last year there were 170 high school athletes that signed with FBS schools in GA and UGA and Ga Tech only sighned 35.

I can guarantee that no one wants you here and in regards to Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt, don't call us, we'll call you...maybe...if we get desperate.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I thought you of all people would have great admiration of the triple option offense after the Ga Tech game!

Oh snap, you got me! So because a (formerly) top ten team ran all over us and you run the same offense, I should not call you out for being the troll that you are? What does the Georgia Tech game have anything to do with you being a complete tool? You are a troll for coming here to post sagarin rankings when you know we don't give a s*** about them, if we did, we'd be posting them ourselves, it's not like we need you to supply us with a link to something that's on USA today's website, if I thought it was anything more than worthless bandwidth, I'd look it up myself. Despite your hard on for Jeff Sagarin's crackpot methods, your Eagles would be lucky to win more than 2 games in the Sun Belt this year. Stay here and post, or don't, I couldn't care less, but keep Saragin off our board, we can find it for ourselves if we ever decide we need it.

(10-16-2011 11:39 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 10:26 AM)MG61 Wrote:  First North Texas won/shared 4 straight conference titles. They Troy won/shared 5 straight. This year ULL, Arkansas State and FIU seem to be the cream that is rising to the top. New era dawning in the Belt ?

To hard to say based on half of one season, ASU, ULM and Louisiana shared the title in 2005 and what have those three schools done since, all three have had a couple of 6-6 seasons and all three have changed coaches.

I can't speak for ASU, but UL and ASU have compiled good talent but the coaches of both teams lost the spark probably during that season. This season is proving that both teams were undercoached, I knew how much my team was (the cajuns), but I'm VERY impressed with Freeze. If we as a league can manage to hold onto Freeze and Hudspeth, those 2 will have their teams positioned in the upper half of the league year in and year out while pushing this league to heights never seen. Also, I still think that McCarney is a good coach, he is just in a really rough situation, they just don't have the talent right now because Dodge drove that bus off the cliff.

If this league stays together, the future is BRIGHT!

(10-16-2011 11:42 AM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  le sigh...how many times to FCS trolls come on here proclaiming greatness. Maybe when the WAC becomes the worst conference, they will all flock there.

Anyway, onto the subject, Am I the only one seeing an almost eerie correlation to the 2005 season? 2005 marked the end of the Mean Green Era, the conference wasn't good OOC but the 3 teams tied for the Conference Title were ASU, UL, and ULM. Notice that ASU and UL are the top 2 teams in the belt right now and ULM showed some fire last week. I think that the big difference is that this is a VERY different league than it was in 2005 and now, we are really seeing teams live up to potential. I can see a situation where the league could have an 11-1 team and 2 9-3 teams in UL, ASU, and FIU. I doubt it will happen, but if those 9-3 teams would win their bowl games, we'd actually have 3 double digit win teams in the league in one year...remember in 2005 we were in danger of not having a bowl eligible team and UNT went to their first bowl game with a losing record. Everyone should be proud of where the league is now, the bar is being raised and in the future it should be standard to try to finish with 10 or more wins.

Correlation to 2005? So Louisiana, ASU and FIU are going to share the title this year, and then none of them will sniff it for the next five years?

I think only one of the three make it over 8 wins, let alone 9, and I believe MT will beat at least one of the three.

(10-16-2011 12:01 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 11:42 AM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  le sigh...how many times to FCS trolls come on here proclaiming greatness. Maybe when the WAC becomes the worst conference, they will all flock there.

Anyway, onto the subject, Am I the only one seeing an almost eerie correlation to the 2005 season? 2005 marked the end of the Mean Green Era, the conference wasn't good OOC but the 3 teams tied for the Conference Title were ASU, UL, and ULM. Notice that ASU and UL are the top 2 teams in the belt right now and ULM showed some fire last week. I think that the big difference is that this is a VERY different league than it was in 2005 and now, we are really seeing teams live up to potential. I can see a situation where the league could have an 11-1 team and 2 9-3 teams in UL, ASU, and FIU. I doubt it will happen, but if those 9-3 teams would win their bowl games, we'd actually have 3 double digit win teams in the league in one year...remember in 2005 we were in danger of not having a bowl eligible team and UNT went to their first bowl game with a losing record. Everyone should be proud of where the league is now, the bar is being raised and in the future it should be standard to try to finish with 10 or more wins.

Correlation to 2005? So Louisiana, ASU and FIU are going to share the title this year, and then none of them will sniff it for the next five years?

I think only one of the three make it over 8 wins, let alone 9, and I believe MT will beat at least one of the three.

ASU and Louisiana and even ULM have sniffed the top of the league since 2005, all 3 have had 6-6 seasons, in fact UL had 3 of em and I think ASU had 3 as well, they just never got back to a bowl. With that said, I think we will see those 3 teams become the teams to beat in the belt with their coaching.

I doubt we win three more games this year.

Hurray! Another thread turned into a GA Southern/FCS thread...