(10-11-2011 02:27 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:12 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 01:30 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  "The new conference is supposed to happen for play 2014 BTW"

Do you have a link for that rumor?

I do.

http://jmusportsblog.com/?p=2986


This rumor, combined with the rumor in the New York times that VCU and George Mason are looking at the A10 sounds like something very well may be afoot.

What is more probable though is the MAC grabbing JMU, ODU and Delaware as a replacement for Temple before this happens. Also I'm not sure Marshall will want to be involved if the CUSA/MWC merger goes through.

That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? I bet you dot because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is.

-The source for the JMU blog is the DNR out of Harrisonburg, VA. Its a local paper.

-I agree the legitimacy of this conference as FBS is in question. Not enough schools involved, what about the autobids?

-I also agree the MWC/CUSA thing is going to go through as an arrangement even without Air Force, Boise, SMU, Houston and UCF. CUSA and MWC would only have to expand back to 10 school each in this case (total 20).

-However the MWC/CUSA merger will not result in a BCS bid. It will be nothing more than a play-in game between the 2 champions instead of playing CC games.

Maybe you don't know the NCAA rules on this so let me explain......No FCS school can become part of an FBS conference unless that FCS school is invited to an already existing FBS conference. That's hurdle number 1.

Hurdle number 2 is that no existing FBS school would leave any conference affiliation that has Bowl tie-ins, TV revenue and the guarantee of at least one NCAA basketball bid. Okay so we put that to rest......


Now on to the MWC/CUSA football merger:

The only way a MWC/CUSA merger would happen is if the two conferences in a "combined state" would garner enough points to be the next automatic BCS conference. As you see, the MWC may not have enough points on its own for BCS inclusion. Same as CUSA. But with the two of them combined under one umbrella the BCS points awarded may be enough to obtain that bid. One thing is for sure.....f the points are there the merger will happen. No doubt about it. If the MWC loses Boise, Air force, and we lose SMU and Houston the points will not be there IMO. Don't think the Big East isn't aware of all this because they are. That's why Boise is under serious consideration. It has nothing to do about future upside, TV market et...they hold the points necessary to help keep AQ status in the Big East.

My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist. To maintain autobids though you need a core of 6 schools that have played continuously for 2 years. The new conference would probably fail on this criteria unless it included 6 schools from the CAA.

-If the merger is about BCS points as you claim, then it would make the most sense to take the 8 strongest programs in MWC/CUSA and form a conference.

MWC/CUSA: Boise, Nevada, Air Force, SMU, Houston, So. Miss, Central Florida, East Carolina

Its easiest to qualify as a BCS conference with points by taking only 8 schools. I still don't know if the 8 above could qualify top to bottom but maybe.

-The conversation on the merger reported in the papers has always been about the MWC and CUSA as a 24 team conglomerate forcing the BCS to take notice. It hasn't been about BCS points which are divided by the number of schools you have in a conference. It would be absurd to expand to 24 schools if they were talking about average BCS ranking here.

-I think a merger is even more likely if Boise, AFA, SMU, Houston, UCF, ECU all depart for the Big East. For one it reopens the MWC and CUSA TV deals which won't be worth anything with all those schools gone. I could see CBS/Fox willing to partner with 20 remaining CUSA/MWC schools on a 2 million per year school network deal because of all the time zones involved. It would still be better than CUSAs current deal with CBS/Fox.

(10-11-2011 02:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:32 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I do.

http://jmusportsblog.com/?p=2986


This rumor, combined with the rumor in the New York times that VCU and George Mason are looking at the A10 sounds like something very well may be afoot.

What is more probable though is the MAC grabbing JMU, ODU and Delaware as a replacement for Temple before this happens. Also I'm not sure Marshall will want to be involved if the CUSA/MWC merger goes through.

That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? You obviously don't because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is. I can see ODU being a possible candidate for CUSA if we end up losing a school or two.

Less caffeine bro. It aint that serious

Yeah I may have come off a little harsh...lol. I didn't mean it to though. I just find it funny and shocking all at the same time about starting a new conference.

Its shocking now only because the dominoes are falling and we all want to move up. Once they have fallen it makes sense because there are way too many big schools bringing football online in the next 5 years in the southeast.

All I can tell you is that ODU, UTSA and Charlotte are looked upon as having huge upside for future FBS inclusion and they are being watched closely. A couple weeks ago on a local radio show our AD was talking conference movement and publicly mentioned those three specific schools. He said those three have huge upside and could one day possibly be an option for CUSA down the road.

(10-11-2011 02:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:32 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? You obviously don't because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is. I can see ODU being a possible candidate for CUSA if we end up losing a school or two.

Less caffeine bro. It aint that serious

Yeah I may have come off a little harsh...lol. I didn't mean it to though. I just find it funny and shocking all at the same time about starting a new conference.

Its shocking now only because the dominoes are falling and we all want to move up. Once they have fallen it makes sense because there are way too many big schools bringing football online in the next 5 years in the southeast.

All I can tell you is that ODU, UTSA and Charlotte are looked upon as having huge upside for future FBS inclusion and they are being watched closely. A couple weeks ago on a local radio show our AD was talking conference movement and publicly mentioned those three specific schools. He said those three have huge upside and could one day possibly be an option for CUSA down the road.

-The schools selected here in ODU, UTSA, Charlotte would be good gets for CUSA. Charlotte is starting FCS football in 2013 and I believe the earliest they could possibly move into FBS is 2014 so timeframe is an issue.

-UTSA will be joining FBS next year as a member of the WAC. They have a good chance at getting into CUSA as it reloads.

(10-11-2011 02:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:32 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? You obviously don't because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is. I can see ODU being a possible candidate for CUSA if we end up losing a school or two.

Less caffeine bro. It aint that serious

Yeah I may have come off a little harsh...lol. I didn't mean it to though. I just find it funny and shocking all at the same time about starting a new conference.

Its shocking now only because the dominoes are falling and we all want to move up. Once they have fallen it makes sense because there are way too many big schools bringing football online in the next 5 years in the southeast.

All I can tell you is that ODU, UTSA and Charlotte are looked upon as having huge upside for future FBS inclusion and they are being watched closely. A couple weeks ago on a local radio show our AD was talking conference movement and publicly mentioned those three specific schools. He said those three have huge upside and could one day possibly be an option for CUSA down the road.

And I think that's why the Master Facilities plan is being released now. There is a realization that we need to get in the conversation and basically let people know that if we're talking upside no offense but we meet or exceed everyone on that list.

(10-11-2011 03:16 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:32 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:28 PM)panama Wrote:  Less caffeine bro. It aint that serious

Yeah I may have come off a little harsh...lol. I didn't mean it to though. I just find it funny and shocking all at the same time about starting a new conference.

Its shocking now only because the dominoes are falling and we all want to move up. Once they have fallen it makes sense because there are way too many big schools bringing football online in the next 5 years in the southeast.

All I can tell you is that ODU, UTSA and Charlotte are looked upon as having huge upside for future FBS inclusion and they are being watched closely. A couple weeks ago on a local radio show our AD was talking conference movement and publicly mentioned those three specific schools. He said those three have huge upside and could one day possibly be an option for CUSA down the road.

And I think that's why the Master Facilities plan is being released now. There is a realization that we need to get in the conversation and basically let people know that if we're talking upside no offense but we meet or exceed everyone on that list.

I've looked at a lot of FCS facilities online and NONE compare to ODU. They are ready. Big TV market, great facilities, fan support...they have it all. Just need a football stadium expansion.

(10-11-2011 03:25 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 03:16 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:58 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:32 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Yeah I may have come off a little harsh...lol. I didn't mean it to though. I just find it funny and shocking all at the same time about starting a new conference.

Its shocking now only because the dominoes are falling and we all want to move up. Once they have fallen it makes sense because there are way too many big schools bringing football online in the next 5 years in the southeast.

All I can tell you is that ODU, UTSA and Charlotte are looked upon as having huge upside for future FBS inclusion and they are being watched closely. A couple weeks ago on a local radio show our AD was talking conference movement and publicly mentioned those three specific schools. He said those three have huge upside and could one day possibly be an option for CUSA down the road.

And I think that's why the Master Facilities plan is being released now. There is a realization that we need to get in the conversation and basically let people know that if we're talking upside no offense but we meet or exceed everyone on that list.

I've looked at a lot of FCS facilities online and NONE compare to ODU. They are ready. Big TV market, great facilities, fan support...they have it all. Just need a football stadium expansion.

I wouldnt say Big TV Market but ok. ("Yeah I am the news anchor in the number 43 DMA bro!")

At any rate what the plan addresses is that we're already tops in football facilities. The Dome is less than 20 years old and has been renovated twice since inception and I dont think anyone matches our new practice facility. But the tour ends there because the Sports Arena is horribly dated and other sports are too far from campus. The Arena redo will be $37 million project to include a Hall of Fame, Ticket Plaza, concessions, luxury suites and to bowl the Arena.

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:27 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:12 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I do.

http://jmusportsblog.com/?p=2986


This rumor, combined with the rumor in the New York times that VCU and George Mason are looking at the A10 sounds like something very well may be afoot.

What is more probable though is the MAC grabbing JMU, ODU and Delaware as a replacement for Temple before this happens. Also I'm not sure Marshall will want to be involved if the CUSA/MWC merger goes through.

That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? I bet you dot because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is.

-The source for the JMU blog is the DNR out of Harrisonburg, VA. Its a local paper.

-I agree the legitimacy of this conference as FBS is in question. Not enough schools involved, what about the autobids?

-I also agree the MWC/CUSA thing is going to go through as an arrangement even without Air Force, Boise, SMU, Houston and UCF. CUSA and MWC would only have to expand back to 10 school each in this case (total 20).

-However the MWC/CUSA merger will not result in a BCS bid. It will be nothing more than a play-in game between the 2 champions instead of playing CC games.

Maybe you don't know the NCAA rules on this so let me explain......No FCS school can become part of an FBS conference unless that FCS school is invited to an already existing FBS conference. That's hurdle number 1.

Hurdle number 2 is that no existing FBS school would leave any conference affiliation that has Bowl tie-ins, TV revenue and the guarantee of at least one NCAA basketball bid. Okay so we put that to rest......


Now on to the MWC/CUSA football merger:

The only way a MWC/CUSA merger would happen is if the two conferences in a "combined state" would garner enough points to be the next automatic BCS conference. As you see, the MWC may not have enough points on its own for BCS inclusion. Same as CUSA. But with the two of them combined under one umbrella the BCS points awarded may be enough to obtain that bid. One thing is for sure.....f the points are there the merger will happen. No doubt about it. If the MWC loses Boise, Air force, and we lose SMU and Houston the points will not be there IMO. Don't think the Big East isn't aware of all this because they are. That's why Boise is under serious consideration. It has nothing to do about future upside, TV market et...they hold the points necessary to help keep AQ status in the Big East.

My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Unless something has changed, this is the new rule that was to go into effect August 2011.


NCAA DI Membership standards

In addition to the cost-savings discussion, the Council put the finishing touches on recommendations for new Division I membership standards. The group generally concluded its discussion on the topic in January but tweaked a few things at the recent meeting, including:

1 Football Championship Subdivision members who wish to join the Football Bowl Subdivision should have a bona fide offer of membership from an FBS conference to be considered for FBS membership. FCS members suggested this change as a way of being consistent – the Council is also recommending that new Division I members have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I conference before beginning the reclassification process.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+standards

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Actually, there is such a rule. It was put in effect this year before the 4 year moratorium was lifted that prevented any FCS schools from moving up.

Straight from the 2011 NCAA Manual:

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification. Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution
may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation
for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the
definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference (see Bylaw 20.02.6). (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

(10-11-2011 03:48 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:27 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:12 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? I bet you dot because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is.

-The source for the JMU blog is the DNR out of Harrisonburg, VA. Its a local paper.

-I agree the legitimacy of this conference as FBS is in question. Not enough schools involved, what about the autobids?

-I also agree the MWC/CUSA thing is going to go through as an arrangement even without Air Force, Boise, SMU, Houston and UCF. CUSA and MWC would only have to expand back to 10 school each in this case (total 20).

-However the MWC/CUSA merger will not result in a BCS bid. It will be nothing more than a play-in game between the 2 champions instead of playing CC games.

Maybe you don't know the NCAA rules on this so let me explain......No FCS school can become part of an FBS conference unless that FCS school is invited to an already existing FBS conference. That's hurdle number 1.

Hurdle number 2 is that no existing FBS school would leave any conference affiliation that has Bowl tie-ins, TV revenue and the guarantee of at least one NCAA basketball bid. Okay so we put that to rest......


Now on to the MWC/CUSA football merger:

The only way a MWC/CUSA merger would happen is if the two conferences in a "combined state" would garner enough points to be the next automatic BCS conference. As you see, the MWC may not have enough points on its own for BCS inclusion. Same as CUSA. But with the two of them combined under one umbrella the BCS points awarded may be enough to obtain that bid. One thing is for sure.....f the points are there the merger will happen. No doubt about it. If the MWC loses Boise, Air force, and we lose SMU and Houston the points will not be there IMO. Don't think the Big East isn't aware of all this because they are. That's why Boise is under serious consideration. It has nothing to do about future upside, TV market et...they hold the points necessary to help keep AQ status in the Big East.

My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Unless something has changed, this is the new rule that was to go into effect August 2011.


NCAA DI Membership standards

In addition to the cost-savings discussion, the Council put the finishing touches on recommendations for new Division I membership standards. The group generally concluded its discussion on the topic in January but tweaked a few things at the recent meeting, including:

1 Football Championship Subdivision members who wish to join the Football Bowl Subdivision should have a bona fide offer of membership from an FBS conference to be considered for FBS membership. FCS members suggested this change as a way of being consistent – the Council is also recommending that new Division I members have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I conference before beginning the reclassification process.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+standards

It doesnt matter because

1) Everyone is looking to move up into an existing conference


and


2) NCAA rules are written in chalk to avoid lawsuits. That's why they created waivers.


Once realignment is over, anyone left behind will create a conference and they will get a waiver. But for now everyone is talking about what they can get done before July 1, 2012

(10-11-2011 03:53 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Actually, there is such a rule. It was put in effect this year before the 4 year moratorium was lifted that prevented any FCS schools from moving up.

Straight from the 2011 NCAA Manual:

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification. Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution
may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation
for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the
definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference (see Bylaw 20.02.6). (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Do you have a source for that? I didn't see it last time I looked in the NCAA manual.

(10-11-2011 03:53 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Actually, there is such a rule. It was put in effect this year before the 4 year moratorium was lifted that prevented any FCS schools from moving up.

Straight from the 2011 NCAA Manual:

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification. Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution
may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation
for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the
definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference (see Bylaw 20.02.6). (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

That's the one I'm talking about. Notice it says effective August 2011.

(10-11-2011 03:48 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:27 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:12 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:03 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  That's a bunch of Horsesh!t. I talk to our AD on a regular basis and he says the MWC/CUSA is very close to happening and that everybody is excited about it. And that crazy layout of a conference from a "JMU Blog" is absolutely hideous. Do you even know what it takes to start an FBS conference? I bet you dot because if you did then you would know that article is a bunch of crap. Simply isn't going to happen. Wishful thinking is all that is.

-The source for the JMU blog is the DNR out of Harrisonburg, VA. Its a local paper.

-I agree the legitimacy of this conference as FBS is in question. Not enough schools involved, what about the autobids?

-I also agree the MWC/CUSA thing is going to go through as an arrangement even without Air Force, Boise, SMU, Houston and UCF. CUSA and MWC would only have to expand back to 10 school each in this case (total 20).

-However the MWC/CUSA merger will not result in a BCS bid. It will be nothing more than a play-in game between the 2 champions instead of playing CC games.

Maybe you don't know the NCAA rules on this so let me explain......No FCS school can become part of an FBS conference unless that FCS school is invited to an already existing FBS conference. That's hurdle number 1.

Hurdle number 2 is that no existing FBS school would leave any conference affiliation that has Bowl tie-ins, TV revenue and the guarantee of at least one NCAA basketball bid. Okay so we put that to rest......


Now on to the MWC/CUSA football merger:

The only way a MWC/CUSA merger would happen is if the two conferences in a "combined state" would garner enough points to be the next automatic BCS conference. As you see, the MWC may not have enough points on its own for BCS inclusion. Same as CUSA. But with the two of them combined under one umbrella the BCS points awarded may be enough to obtain that bid. One thing is for sure.....f the points are there the merger will happen. No doubt about it. If the MWC loses Boise, Air force, and we lose SMU and Houston the points will not be there IMO. Don't think the Big East isn't aware of all this because they are. That's why Boise is under serious consideration. It has nothing to do about future upside, TV market et...they hold the points necessary to help keep AQ status in the Big East.

My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Unless something has changed, this is the new rule that was to go into effect August 2011.


NCAA DI Membership standards

In addition to the cost-savings discussion, the Council put the finishing touches on recommendations for new Division I membership standards. The group generally concluded its discussion on the topic in January but tweaked a few things at the recent meeting, including:

1 Football Championship Subdivision members who wish to join the Football Bowl Subdivision should have a bona fide offer of membership from an FBS conference to be considered for FBS membership. FCS members suggested this change as a way of being consistent – the Council is also recommending that new Division I members have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I conference before beginning the reclassification process.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+standards

That link doesn't contain the paragraph you quoted.

So I guess Georgia State isn't unattractive after all?

I've been pushing for them in a 14/16 team C-USA for a while now.

(10-11-2011 04:10 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 03:48 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:27 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:12 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  -The source for the JMU blog is the DNR out of Harrisonburg, VA. Its a local paper.

-I agree the legitimacy of this conference as FBS is in question. Not enough schools involved, what about the autobids?

-I also agree the MWC/CUSA thing is going to go through as an arrangement even without Air Force, Boise, SMU, Houston and UCF. CUSA and MWC would only have to expand back to 10 school each in this case (total 20).

-However the MWC/CUSA merger will not result in a BCS bid. It will be nothing more than a play-in game between the 2 champions instead of playing CC games.

Maybe you don't know the NCAA rules on this so let me explain......No FCS school can become part of an FBS conference unless that FCS school is invited to an already existing FBS conference. That's hurdle number 1.

Hurdle number 2 is that no existing FBS school would leave any conference affiliation that has Bowl tie-ins, TV revenue and the guarantee of at least one NCAA basketball bid. Okay so we put that to rest......


Now on to the MWC/CUSA football merger:

The only way a MWC/CUSA merger would happen is if the two conferences in a "combined state" would garner enough points to be the next automatic BCS conference. As you see, the MWC may not have enough points on its own for BCS inclusion. Same as CUSA. But with the two of them combined under one umbrella the BCS points awarded may be enough to obtain that bid. One thing is for sure.....f the points are there the merger will happen. No doubt about it. If the MWC loses Boise, Air force, and we lose SMU and Houston the points will not be there IMO. Don't think the Big East isn't aware of all this because they are. That's why Boise is under serious consideration. It has nothing to do about future upside, TV market et...they hold the points necessary to help keep AQ status in the Big East.

My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Unless something has changed, this is the new rule that was to go into effect August 2011.


NCAA DI Membership standards

In addition to the cost-savings discussion, the Council put the finishing touches on recommendations for new Division I membership standards. The group generally concluded its discussion on the topic in January but tweaked a few things at the recent meeting, including:

1 Football Championship Subdivision members who wish to join the Football Bowl Subdivision should have a bona fide offer of membership from an FBS conference to be considered for FBS membership. FCS members suggested this change as a way of being consistent – the Council is also recommending that new Division I members have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I conference before beginning the reclassification process.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+standards

That link doesn't contain the paragraph you quoted.

Here is a link to the updated manual for 2011-12. You can download it for free.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4224-2...-2011.aspx

(10-11-2011 04:16 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 04:10 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 03:48 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:27 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Maybe you don't know the NCAA rules on this so let me explain......No FCS school can become part of an FBS conference unless that FCS school is invited to an already existing FBS conference. That's hurdle number 1.

Hurdle number 2 is that no existing FBS school would leave any conference affiliation that has Bowl tie-ins, TV revenue and the guarantee of at least one NCAA basketball bid. Okay so we put that to rest......


Now on to the MWC/CUSA football merger:

The only way a MWC/CUSA merger would happen is if the two conferences in a "combined state" would garner enough points to be the next automatic BCS conference. As you see, the MWC may not have enough points on its own for BCS inclusion. Same as CUSA. But with the two of them combined under one umbrella the BCS points awarded may be enough to obtain that bid. One thing is for sure.....f the points are there the merger will happen. No doubt about it. If the MWC loses Boise, Air force, and we lose SMU and Houston the points will not be there IMO. Don't think the Big East isn't aware of all this because they are. That's why Boise is under serious consideration. It has nothing to do about future upside, TV market et...they hold the points necessary to help keep AQ status in the Big East.

My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Unless something has changed, this is the new rule that was to go into effect August 2011.


NCAA DI Membership standards

In addition to the cost-savings discussion, the Council put the finishing touches on recommendations for new Division I membership standards. The group generally concluded its discussion on the topic in January but tweaked a few things at the recent meeting, including:

1 Football Championship Subdivision members who wish to join the Football Bowl Subdivision should have a bona fide offer of membership from an FBS conference to be considered for FBS membership. FCS members suggested this change as a way of being consistent – the Council is also recommending that new Division I members have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I conference before beginning the reclassification process.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+standards

That link doesn't contain the paragraph you quoted.

Here is a link to the updated manual for 2011-12. You can download it for free.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4224-2...-2011.aspx

Thanks for the link.

I guess I was wrong, the requirement of needing an invite to an existing FBS conference is in there on the books and not just a proposed recommendation.

Any FCS school wanting to be in FBS by 2014 the start of the next BCS cycle must declare its intent by May 25th 2012. That is only 10 months to get on board for the next cycle so I'm sure we will see a lot of movement going into the upcoming year.

Doesn't $37M sound a little low for a high mid-major arena? I think ODU's was about the same cost, and that was over a decade ago. It looks nice, but the number seems a little low. JMU's board recently approved $87.5 million for a new arena, but capacity is estimated to be closer to 10,000.

Either way, it's good to see another CAA school make some upgrades.

(10-11-2011 04:58 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 04:16 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 04:10 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 03:48 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 02:51 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  My response:

-There is no rule stating that an FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference. Trust me I've checked the rule books on this and it doesn't exist.

Unless something has changed, this is the new rule that was to go into effect August 2011.


NCAA DI Membership standards

In addition to the cost-savings discussion, the Council put the finishing touches on recommendations for new Division I membership standards. The group generally concluded its discussion on the topic in January but tweaked a few things at the recent meeting, including:

1 Football Championship Subdivision members who wish to join the Football Bowl Subdivision should have a bona fide offer of membership from an FBS conference to be considered for FBS membership. FCS members suggested this change as a way of being consistent – the Council is also recommending that new Division I members have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I conference before beginning the reclassification process.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...+standards

That link doesn't contain the paragraph you quoted.

Here is a link to the updated manual for 2011-12. You can download it for free.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4224-2...-2011.aspx

Thanks for the link.

I guess I was wrong, the requirement of needing an invite to an existing FBS conference is in there on the books and not just a proposed recommendation.

Any FCS school wanting to be in FBS by 2014 the start of the next BCS cycle must declare its intent by May 25th 2012. That is only 10 months to get on board for the next cycle so I'm sure we will see a lot of movement going into the upcoming year.

I think its possible we may see a little movement. Probably not much though. I can imagine ODU being a possibility for CUSA down the road. Delaware being an option for the Mac (if Temple leaves) and maybe App State for the Sunbelt if the sunbelt lost an FIU or FAU to CUSA.

I don't know how you feel LK but I think Delaware would be a nice add for the Mac if Temple leaves. What do you think?

(10-11-2011 05:29 PM)rufus Wrote:  Doesn't $37M sound a little low for a high mid-major arena? I think ODU's was about the same cost, and that was over a decade ago. It looks nice, but the number seems a little low. JMU's board recently approved $87.5 million for a new arena, but capacity is estimated to be closer to 10,000.

Either way, it's good to see another CAA school make some upgrades.

It all depends on whether you are doing a complete tear down and build from scratch or are gutting what you have and renovating which is the case here. Georgia Tech is doing the latter now and theirs is budgeted at $43 million.

(10-11-2011 05:29 PM)rufus Wrote:  Doesn't $37M sound a little low for a high mid-major arena? I think ODU's was about the same cost, and that was over a decade ago. It looks nice, but the number seems a little low. JMU's board recently approved $87.5 million for a new arena, but capacity is estimated to be closer to 10,000.

Either way, it's good to see another CAA school make some upgrades.

I think that sounds extremely low. We are in the middle of building and indoor practice facility and the price tag on it alone is like 27 Million.

(10-11-2011 04:14 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  So I guess Georgia State isn't unattractive after all?

I've been pushing for them in a 14/16 team C-USA for a while now.

Orlando would be a nice road game for us.