Outside of the obvious, I'd be the priority list would go like this:
1) Memphis (unless Temple makes some improvement in on-field and infrastructure results)
2) Temple (see above)
3) ECU
4) UCF

If we were able to get the obvious BC & PSU combo I'd be ecstatic taking the top two from this list to set us up handsomely.

Wilkie01 Wrote:Central Florida - location and they bring a bowl

Memphis - great basketball and they bring a Bowl

Southern Miss - Top 40 football program

East Carolina - They will rebuild their football program.

You guys are nuts. Southern Miss is on freaking accreditation probation meaning they are on the verge of being the equivalent of ITT Tech or the RETZ Institute. I'm not going to get into the numerous issues with the other schools because we've been rehashing those issues for YEARS. It’s like talking to a brick wall with some of you guys. Let’s just say I'm glad you are in a tiny minority and not at the helm of the conference.

BearcatOne Wrote:MHSCARD: 

Yes.  The term "Old South" has meaning behind it. 

That meaning is determined by interpretation.  You let us know what your interpretation is.  I did not err.  I simply used a phrase that triggered a fervent reaction from you.  Apparently, your reaction to the term is not shared by everyone else.

Also, I did not judge you.  Instead, you revealed your sentiment.  For example, does telling me to "go straight to hell" somehow make your heart clear?  From the abundance of the heart, the mouth does speak. 

Now, please know that I have forgiven you.  Forgiveness makes my heart clear.

:angel:

My heart pumps blood it doesn't revel crap! I asked a question and then you go on some spiritual tangent. My question was did you mean to say I was pineing for a return to a precivil rights era situation when I said Louisville was in the south? And if that is what you were inferring then you can go to hell. If not then say so and everything is cool, but I am tired of this attitiude that Southern = Racist. Because it doesn't and the only thing my rant reveals is that I hate that stereotypical label on many good people that have worked long and hard to change things.

If that is not what you meant then don't worry about it. And you did err by using the statement "old south" in that manner because that phrase refers to a precivil rights time and attitude, and either in substance or in inferrance you were wrong to use it. :wave:

MHSCard Wrote:

BearcatOne Wrote:MHSCARD: 

Yes.  The term "Old South" has meaning behind it. 

That meaning is determined by interpretation.  You let us know what your interpretation is.  I did not err.  I simply used a phrase that triggered a fervent reaction from you.  Apparently, your reaction to the term is not shared by everyone else.

Also, I did not judge you.  Instead, you revealed your sentiment.  For example, does telling me to "go straight to hell" somehow make your heart clear?  From the abundance of the heart, the mouth does speak. 

Now, please know that I have forgiven you.  Forgiveness makes my heart clear.

:angel:

My heart pumps blood it doesn't revel crap! I asked a question and then you go on some spiritual tangent. My question was did you mean to say I was pineing for a return to a precivil rights era situation when I said Louisville was in the south? And if that is what you were inferring then you can go to hell. If not then say so and everything is cool, but I am tired of this attitiude that Southern = Racist.

If that is not what you meant then don't worry about it. And you did err by using the statement in that manner either in substance or in inferrance. :wave:

I never implied Southern = Racist for the record. Just a different culture/lifestyle certain aspects of I like in large doses, other aspects in small doses, and others still not at all. So if anyone ever got that vibe from me with my whole Northeast versus Southeast stuff I apologize. I like barbecue, the outdoors, and the laidback nature of Southern living alot. I can certainly stand some of the conservative political views since I have a tendency to lean towards the right but not very far from center. I don't like how cities are laid out or the transportation systems they typically have. They are usually totally inadequate for future growth. Take Houston which has entirely too many people to be served by busses and a small 7.5 mile light rail line. Sorry folks but the key to much infrastructure planning is to build things to have development around them or before they're critically needed rather than in response to stifling overgrowth.

brista21 Wrote:

MHSCard Wrote:

BearcatOne Wrote:MHSCARD: 

Yes.  The term "Old South" has meaning behind it. 

That meaning is determined by interpretation.  You let us know what your interpretation is.  I did not err.  I simply used a phrase that triggered a fervent reaction from you.  Apparently, your reaction to the term is not shared by everyone else.

Also, I did not judge you.  Instead, you revealed your sentiment.  For example, does telling me to "go straight to hell" somehow make your heart clear?  From the abundance of the heart, the mouth does speak. 

Now, please know that I have forgiven you.  Forgiveness makes my heart clear.

:angel:

My heart pumps blood it doesn't revel crap! I asked a question and then you go on some spiritual tangent. My question was did you mean to say I was pineing for a return to a precivil rights era situation when I said Louisville was in the south? And if that is what you were inferring then you can go to hell. If not then say so and everything is cool, but I am tired of this attitiude that Southern = Racist.

If that is not what you meant then don't worry about it. And you did err by using the statement in that manner either in substance or in inferrance. :wave:

I never implied Southern = Racist for the record. Just a different culture/lifestyle certain aspects of I like in large doses, other aspects in small doses, and others still not at all. So if anyone ever got that vibe from me with my whole Northeast versus Southeast stuff I apologize. I like barbecue, the outdoors, and the laidback nature of Southern living alot. I can certainly stand some of the conservative political views since I have a tendency to lean towards the right but not very far from center. I don't like how cities are laid out or the transportation systems they typically have. They are usually totally inadequate for future growth. Take Houston which has entirely too many people to be served by busses and a small 7.5 mile light rail line. Sorry folks but the key to much infrastructure planning is to build things to have development around them or before they're critically needed rather than in response to stifling overgrowth.

Brista I wasn't ranting on anything you said. I was just trying to let people know that Louisville is in many ways a southern city, the northern most southern city yet still southern. Then someone else started in with the "old south" which has nothing to do with the geography and culture of Modern Louisville anymore than it does with the entire nation as a whole. It was that statement I balked at. Not you. Sorry to everyone about the rant it just is annoying that people from the South are expected to feel ashamed of it or else they are seen as wanting a return of past wrongs. Why can't southerners reguardless of race or ancestrial nation of origin still be proud of being a southern without some yahoo bringing up the "old south" as if we had anything to do with that crap. I am proud of my community and I can tell from the cooking, history, way of speaking, and the fact it is 105 heat index outside right now I am in the South.

On the light rail and subways stuff, I tend to agree but I will bring up a few points. One, we don't have the snow you do, and therefore the Buses are more reliable here for transport than they would be in the north. They are also cheaper to maintain then to build and maintain the other systems. Two, we are much more spread out in nature making a light rail system a joke for us, I would have to drive my car 80% of the way of my normal daily trek anyway just to get to the place where some of the proposed light rail systems where suposed to be located at. The land in the South in the suburbs closer to the center of the town is so expensive that it is cheaper to buy a car and move out of the loop and so that is where the majority of the working population lives, a light rail would not reach the people it would be most useful to in the South. Thus sprawl, but not urban sprawl, suburban sprawl. The center of the city then becomes a place for the wealthy in gated communities or the poor, and for businesses, yet the majority of the working people live outside the inner circle of the city.

L-yes Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:Central Florida - location and they bring a bowl

Memphis - great basketball and they bring a Bowl

Southern Miss - Top 40 football program

East Carolina - They will rebuild their football program.

You guys are nuts. Southern Miss is on freaking accreditation probation meaning they are on the verge of being the equivalent of ITT Tech or the RETZ Institute. I'm not going to get into the numerous issues with the other schools because we've been rehashing those issues for YEARS. It’s like talking to a brick wall with some of you guys. Let’s just say I'm glad you are in a tiny minority and not at the helm of the conference.

MHSCard:

You rant like a person who looks in the mirror everyday and does not like what he/she sees. If you are offended by my use of the phrase "Old South" then that is your problem and not mine. The term "Old South" can mean several things and it is often used to refer to a time of gentility and an agrarian way of life. That is what I meant.

The fact that you injected racial hatred into the discussion shows that you have serious issues with yourself. Don't blame me for your own challenges or shameful heritage. Deal with it yourself and on your own time.

Again, you are the one who is showing what type of person you really are.

BearcatOne Wrote:MHSCard:

You rant like a person who looks in the mirror everyday and does not like what he/she sees.  If you are offended by my use of the phrase "Old South" then that is your problem and not mine.  The term "Old South" can mean several things and it is often used to refer to a time of gentility and an agrarian way of life.  That is what I meant.

The fact that you injected racial hatred into the discussion shows that you have serious issues with yourself.  Don't blame me for your own challenges or shameful heritage.  Deal with  it yourself and on your own time.

Again, you are the one who is showing what type of person you really are.

Bearcat,
1. My Family were noted abolisionist and fought for the Union, my heritage is fine thank you very much. I am proud to be both Southern and from the winning side. Thank you very much. The rest came from Ireland and Switzerland after the war was over.
2. Because of number one I am tired of being told by ignorant people what the south and southerners are like.
3. The only person I have serious issues with is you stereotyping me and then trying to act all holier than thou. You don't know what you are talking about and then you try to paint me as a racist because you don't agree with my fondness for some of the old time matchups with Southern Miss Tulane and Memphis. This is the last thing I am going to say on the matter. I look into the mirror fine everyday, I love my fellow man reguardless of race or creed until they give me reason not to. And as far as the type of man I am, if you knew anything about me then I might respond to that but you don't. You are just trying to be hateful and mean, I am not impressed.

Can we please change the tune of this discussion. As an African American, I do not take offense to the original statement about the "old south". I understood the content with which the term was used.
I usually enjoy reading the posts from BearcatOne and MHScard on this board. So guys please just call a truce and get back on to the original topic. I dont think that there was any malicious intent here.

MHSCard Wrote:

brista21 Wrote:

MHSCard Wrote:

BearcatOne Wrote:MHSCARD: 

Yes.  The term "Old South" has meaning behind it.  

That meaning is determined by interpretation.  You let us know what your interpretation is.  I did not err.  I simply used a phrase that triggered a fervent reaction from you.  Apparently, your reaction to the term is not shared by everyone else.

Also, I did not judge you.  Instead, you revealed your sentiment.  For example, does telling me to "go straight to hell" somehow make your heart clear?   From the abundance of the heart, the mouth does speak. 

Now, please know that I have forgiven you.  Forgiveness makes my heart clear.

:angel:

My heart pumps blood it doesn't revel crap! I asked a question and then you go on some spiritual tangent. My question was did you mean to say I was pineing for a return to a precivil rights era situation when I said Louisville was in the south? And if that is what you were inferring then you can go to hell. If not then say so and everything is cool, but I am tired of this attitiude that Southern = Racist.

If that is not what you meant then don't worry about it. And you did err by using the statement in that manner either in substance or in inferrance. :wave:

I never implied Southern = Racist for the record. Just a different culture/lifestyle certain aspects of I like in large doses, other aspects in small doses, and others still not at all. So if anyone ever got that vibe from me with my whole Northeast versus Southeast stuff I apologize. I like barbecue, the outdoors, and the laidback nature of Southern living alot. I can certainly stand some of the conservative political views since I have a tendency to lean towards the right but not very far from center. I don't like how cities are laid out or the transportation systems they typically have. They are usually totally inadequate for future growth. Take Houston which has entirely too many people to be served by busses and a small 7.5 mile light rail line. Sorry folks but the key to much infrastructure planning is to build things to have development around them or before they're critically needed rather than in response to stifling overgrowth.

Brista I wasn't ranting on anything you said. I was just trying to let people know that Louisville is in many ways a southern city, the northern most southern city yet still southern. Then someone else started in with the "old south" which has nothing to do with the geography and culture of Modern Louisville anymore than it does with the entire nation as a whole. It was that statement I balked at. Not you. Sorry to everyone about the rant it just is annoying that people from the South are expected to feel ashamed of it or else they are seen as wanting a return of past wrongs. Why can't southerners reguardless of race or ancestrial nation of origin still be proud of being a southern without some yahoo bringing up the "old south" as if we had anything to do with that crap. I am proud of my community and I can tell from the cooking, history, way of speaking, and the fact it is 105 heat index outside right now I am in the South.

On the light rail and subways stuff, I tend to agree but I will bring up a few points. One, we don't have the snow you do, and therefore the Buses are more reliable here for transport than they would be in the north. They are also cheaper to maintain then to build and maintain the other systems. Two, we are much more spread out in nature making a light rail system a joke for us, I would have to drive my car 80% of the way of my normal daily trek anyway just to get to the place where some of the proposed light rail systems where suposed to be located at. The land in the South in the suburbs closer to the center of the town is so expensive that it is cheaper to buy a car and move out of the loop and so that is where the majority of the working population lives, a light rail would not reach the people it would be most useful to in the South. Thus sprawl, but not urban sprawl, suburban sprawl. The center of the city then becomes a place for the wealthy in gated communities or the poor, and for businesses, yet the majority of the working people live outside the inner circle of the city.

For me I like having the option of sitting on the commuter rail and reading a book (currently reading Tom Clancy's Clear and Present Danger). In many areas of the country however I'm forced to deal with traffic to commute. Fortunately I'll be working in industries that will likely allow me to stay within the Northeast and if I end up with UBS I may get to work in London for a few years which would be cool. I'd definitely like to come see Louisville, I've always heard nice things from folks who've been there. Perhaps I'll make it down for the Football game since I have Friday's off this semester catch an early flight out of Newark to Cincy and rent a car from there. It won't cost me anything to fly with my airline benefits on Delta so it can be made an affordable trip with a Rental Car for two days and a night in a hotel.

I'd take Memphis or ECU (ECU only bc of past football support/quality and location)...Memphis has been a GREAT rival for UC and UofL for a long time and they have good all around sports. They would be a good addition. They have great support in Memphis. Problem is...we are really starting to scatter out south and west to do it and then where do you stop...So.Miss? Tulane?.....we don't want either of those programs but if we are then already in Memphis...the question will become..why not......etc.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:I'd take Memphis or ECU (ECU only bc of past football support/quality and location)...Memphis has been a GREAT rival for UC and UofL for a long time and they have good all around sports. They would be a good addition. They have great support in Memphis. Problem is...we are really starting to scatter out south and west to do it and then where do you stop...So.Miss? Tulane?.....we don't want either of those programs but if we are then already in Memphis...the question will become..why not......etc.

True, ECU is the only one that makes sesne geographically as its not that far and its on the coast. They also have existing rivalries with WVU and existing series with UL and UC. I'd welcome either team but the more I think about it the more I think we should stand pat for a few years.