I continue to say IF/when the split happens it will not go past 9 teams. Reason is that the BE cannot stand to have their team with their highest ranking and best record to be upset in a championship game and take its place in the BCS bowl. Unless Penn State or Notre Dame joins adding three extra teams will not bring enough money to make up for having more mouths to feed.
The championship game problem you are already seeing in CUSA where the LB does NOT want to have to automatically take the winner of the championship game.
I still think that they would have been smarter at staying at Nine teams.
Lets face it a 12-0 West Virginia team playing a 8-4 Syracuse team in a BE championship game has MORE to lose than to gain.
Until the BE can produce two top 10 teams yearly a championship game will not help the winner

Cubanbull Wrote:I continue to say IF/when the split happens it will not go past 9 teams. Reason is that the BE cannot stand to have their team with their highest ranking and best record to be upset in a championship game and take its place in the BCS bowl. Unless Penn State or Notre Dame joins adding three extra teams will not bring enough money to make up for having more mouths to feed.
The championship game problem you are already seeing in CUSA where the LB does NOT want to have to automatically take the winner of the championship game.
I still think that they would have been smarter at staying at Nine teams.
Lets face it a 12-0 West Virginia team playing a 8-4 Syracuse team in a BE championship game has MORE to lose than to gain.
Until the BE can produce two top 10 teams yearly a championship game will not help the winner

CUSA made that mistake in their knee jerk expansion. The Liberty Bowl is year to year and wanted and got flexability in the team they selected. The championship game created a nightmare scenerio for the Liberty Bowl concerning CUSA.

CUSA would have been much better served standing pat at 9 all sport members post realignment.

Quote:I continue to say IF/when the split happens it will not go past 9 teams. Reason is that the BE cannot stand to have their team with their highest ranking and best record to be upset in a championship game and take its place in the BCS bowl. Unless Penn State or Notre Dame joins adding three extra teams will not bring enough money to make up for having more mouths to feed

-- I still think there is a fair chance we end up at 10.....if UCF can turn into a solid football program they will probably be in....and don't underestimate the return of Temple....getting exposure in Philly is going to be vital, especially in bball....having a team in Philly may be as vital for hoops as having a team in Flordia is for football


Jackson

ND was in BE talks b/c ND sells out stadiums, boosts ratings, and creates a national viewing (NBC, CBS, and Disney[ESPN/ABC]). BE advertisments go out on these nationally tellevised games and get more kids 4 BE schools, but ND has more rivals than u can stick a fork @(Mich, Mich St, USC, Navy, Stanford...). So they can't go w/ a conf sched. so stop questioning or theorizing ND joining a conf, b/c IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
Thank You
:)

Then your gone in 2010!

I don't put much stock in reputation. Boise State, for instance, is a better football program than Notre Dame right now. No amount of money, publicity, or reverence can change that, only on-field performance can. Anyone care to guess what would have happened last year had they played?

Enough with the attitude, Notre Dame fans. Your team needs to earn it again. You're running on fumes.

Running on fumes....The ND program is limping along in the emergency lane with its blue and gold flashers on. Frankly if ND football was a horse here in Kentucky, some one would have shot it to put it out of its misery.
CJ

Notre Dame football will go the way of Holy Cross football, unless they join a conference!

What I don't like is that Notre Dame is trying to having it both ways.

Wilkie01 Wrote:Notre Dame football will go the way of Holy Cross football, unless they join a conference!

One the contrary, joining a conference is what got Holy Cross into trouble.

And had Fr. Brooks took better advice in 1979, HC would be a Big East "football school" today.

njndirish Wrote:ND was in BE talks b/c ND sells out stadiums, boosts ratings, and creates a national viewing (NBC, CBS, and Disney[ESPN/ABC]). BE advertisments go out on these nationally tellevised games and get more kids 4 BE schools, but ND has more rivals than u can stick a fork @(Mich, Mich St, USC, Navy, Stanford...). So they can't go w/ a conf sched. so stop questioning or theorizing ND joining a conf, b/c IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
Thank You
:)

Exactly.

The only way I see Notre Dame joining a conference is if the Big East completely falls apart due to another raid. Like it or not, Notre Dame does need Big East affiliation for bowl opportunities. ND by itself can't strike a deal with a high caliber bowl like the Gator. They are lucky that Louisville has come into the Big East with all cylinders running, otherwise the conference would have a more difficult time securing bowl agreements.

DFW HOYA Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:Notre Dame football will go the way of Holy Cross football, unless they join a conference!

One the contrary, joining a conference is what got Holy Cross into trouble.

And had Fr. Brooks took better advice in 1979, HC would be a Big East "football school" today.

Amazing that Holy Cross turned down a chance to join the Big East in basketball in 1978-9. Holy Cross and BC had similiar level football programs in the 1960/70s.

njndirish Wrote:ND was in BE talks b/c ND sells out stadiums, boosts ratings, and creates a national viewing (NBC, CBS, and Disney[ESPN/ABC]). BE advertisments go out on these nationally tellevised games and get more kids 4 BE schools, but ND has more rivals than u can stick a fork @(Mich, Mich St, USC, Navy, Stanford...). So they can't go w/ a conf sched. so stop questioning or theorizing ND joining a conf, b/c IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
Thank You
:)

I agree

Would I like nD to join the BE? Sure

Bottomline: ND helps the BE even as an independent in FB. Syracuse is going to be on NBC this fall due to the link of the Big East.

Quote:One the contrary, joining a conference is what got Holy Cross into trouble.

And had Fr. Brooks took better advice in 1979, HC would be a Big East "football school" today

Quote:Amazing that Holy Cross turned down a chance to join the Big East in basketball in 1978-9. Holy Cross and BC had similiar level football programs in the 1960/70s.

-- What is the history behind Holy Cross and the BE? Why did they turn down a bid? As for Holy Cross's footbal team I can't remember West Virginia playing them when they were D1. And just thinking back to when I was a kid I don't recall Pitt or Penn St playing them annually either. Who did they play football against in the East besides Rutgers?


Jackson

Syracuse played them often. Holy Cross was far from a power but they were Div 1 nonetheless in the 1960/70s. As I remember they turned down the BE because they thought they could still prosper playing with the Status Quo. During that time Holy Cross had Ron Perry on their BB team and actually was quite good. I think they figured they could stay good. What they failed to realize was the emergence of ESPN--Georgetown, St Johns, Villanova and Syracuse on Big Monday.

They came to a fork in the road....

Bearcat T Wrote:I do not think there will be a split. I think if there is Notre Dame will go with the football schools. They have little competition from the others for all other sports. Their is a huge facility difference between the All sports schools and the Basketball only schools. I think the positives of staying as one outweigh the negatives that we have discussed before. The biggest item is will everyone be ok
with the number of teams to the NCAA. If the football sschools feel slighted then they may go for the split either way.

Funny, the last time I checked the Director's Cup (after the 03-04 season), the 7 basketball schools, as a group, were ranked higher than the group of 8 football schools.

MU88 Wrote:Funny, the last time I checked the Director's Cup (after the 03-04 season), the 7 basketball schools, as a group, were ranked higher than the group of 8 football schools.

Not in the "revenue" sports. That is what counts most, IMO.

I was somewhat quoating our Athletic Director... I think he meant ND wants competition in Women's bball and Baseball, volleyball etc.the major
what we call major non rev sports. For example UConn, Rutgers, l
top 15 type women's teams Baseball UC and UL have new stadiums ..UC facility at over 11 million etc. The B-Ball only schools have nowhere near the revenue that the 8 football teams do to invest in the future. Granted in some places Women's B-ball. at places like UCONN is a revenue sport. Either way ND is clearly aligned closer to the football schools. They already are reaching scheduling agreements with all the schools now. Why would ND or the football schools risk this relationship. In B-ball the football schools are the power anyway. Uconn, UC, UL, Pitt, WVU are easily in the top 6 or 7. Villanova hopefully will be an exception this year.
Personnaly I don't think there will be a split. I think both sides benefit from the other. I think maybe two conferences within an umbrella is much more likely. I think religion will be near the bottom of the list if ND has to make any decision.

A good example is todays Volleyball poll. Six of the top seven are football playing schools.

I don't know. If you look at the results, except for Rutgers, the hoops schools have done as well as most of the publics in baseball. Seton Hall had a string of good years and SJU finished second to ND in 04. Yes, UConn is a women's hoops power, but 5 of the hoops schools have won women's titles, with VU, PC and GT winning mulitple titles. Through 04, the only football schools that have won, besides UCONN, are Pitt and Syracuse with 1 each. Plus, MU and DePaul have strong women's hoops programs. MU has been a number of NCAAs in the past 6 or 7 years. DePaul was ranked last season and won CUSA, I believe. In men's hoops, the football schools have been better lately, but the hoops schools have done ok. MU went to the final four and SJU was in the elite 8 not that long ago. VU was there last year and is favored to win the conference. But for DePaul, I think every hoops school has made the Sweet 16 in the past 10 years. When was the last Sweet 16 for USF or Rutgers?

I think there is a perception that the football schools are better in all sports, but that is probably not the case. The competition is pretty good overall. If the conference splits, we all know that ND will do what is best for ND. It won't be a matter of athletics only, either. ND will do whatever is best for its reputation, including academic. Heck, if they could get in the Ivy League, but keep their football team independent, they may do it.