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A clause in the contract states that if the ACC adds two teams or loses two teams the contract can be renegotiated.
A lot will depend of when Pitt and Syracuse can join the ACC.

which is also dependent on what happens to the rest of the bigeast football teams,if conference dies in football then the teams will be able to join quicker. or pay more to leave sooner. if b12 adds 3 teams from bigeast i think its much more likely syracuse and pitt(maybe uconn,rutgers or nd as well) join for 2012 football season

(09-27-2011 03:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  A clause in the contract states that if the ACC adds two teams or loses two teams the contract can be renegotiated.
A lot will depend of when Pitt and Syracuse can join the ACC.

Good. It will be interesting to see how much the ACC can get out of this. If this is a full re-negotiation, where if parties can not come to an agreement, that the ACC can take their TV rights out on the open market, then maybe a big payday and a conference network are possible. If it's a limited renegotiation were the ACC can only reasonably get the same for the new members as the existing members then this is much ado about nothing.

On the expansion board, there is a post saying Boomer Eisiasin said on his radio show that ESPN forced the ACC to add Pitt and Cuse. Legally, the ACC asked ESPN how much more they could expect if they added Pitt and Cuse and if they said it would add 3-5 million per team then they did kind of force the ACC to expand because who's going to pass on an extra $400 million dollars over the course of 12 years but they didn't break any laws.

I'm totally hoping for a Conference Network. With markets like Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami, Raleigh/Durham, DC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Boston we should have a very lucrative Network.

Or we can do it in 2's like the Pac 12 as well FE... Cuse and Boston College would host one, Pitt and Maryland, GT and Clemson, FSU and Miami, Virginia and Virginia Tech, and then the 4 Tobacco Road Schools.

(09-27-2011 11:45 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  I'm totally hoping for a Conference Network. With markets like Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami, Raleigh/Durham, DC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Boston we should have a very lucrative Network.

Or we can do it in 2's like the Pac 12 as well FE... Cuse and Boston College would host one, Pitt and Maryland, GT and Clemson, FSU and Miami, Virginia and Virginia Tech, and then the 4 Tobacco Road Schools.

I agree. I think the ACC, and the SEC for that matter, really missed the boat by selling all their 3rd tier and non-revenue rights to ESPN. Both conferences stand to fall way behind the Pac 12 and Big 10 in TV revenues for the next 12 years because of it.

(09-27-2011 03:55 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-27-2011 03:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  A clause in the contract states that if the ACC adds two teams or loses two teams the contract can be renegotiated.
A lot will depend of when Pitt and Syracuse can join the ACC.

Good. It will be interesting to see how much the ACC can get out of this. If this is a full re-negotiation, where if parties can not come to an agreement, that the ACC can take their TV rights out on the open market, then maybe a big payday and a conference network are possible. If it's a limited renegotiation were the ACC can only reasonably get the same for the new members as the existing members then this is much ado about nothing.

On the expansion board, there is a post saying Boomer Eisiasin said on his radio show that ESPN forced the ACC to add Pitt and Cuse. Legally, the ACC asked ESPN how much more they could expect if they added Pitt and Cuse and if they said it would add 3-5 million per team then they did kind of force the ACC to expand because who's going to pass on an extra $400 million dollars over the course of 12 years but they didn't break any laws.

I doubt that the ACC will be allowed to take their TV rights to the open markets. Although, it would be great if they did.

I'm guessing the contract simply provided language along the lines of good faith renegotiation between the ACC and ESPN.

I believe that $3-5 million extra will still put it way behind the Pac 10, SEC, and especially the Big 10 when it renegotiates its contract in a few years?

(09-27-2011 11:56 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-27-2011 11:45 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  I'm totally hoping for a Conference Network. With markets like Atlanta, Charlotte, Orlando, Jacksonville, Miami, Raleigh/Durham, DC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Boston we should have a very lucrative Network.

Or we can do it in 2's like the Pac 12 as well FE... Cuse and Boston College would host one, Pitt and Maryland, GT and Clemson, FSU and Miami, Virginia and Virginia Tech, and then the 4 Tobacco Road Schools.

I agree. I think the ACC, and the SEC for that matter, really missed the boat by selling all their 3rd tier and non-revenue rights to ESPN. Both conferences stand to fall way behind the Pac 12 and Big 10 in TV revenues for the next 12 years because of it.

Do the TV networks (ABC, CBS, ESPN) actually own everything that is broadcast on TV concerning the ACC and SEC?

Just curious because here's a list of what schools earn outside rights that the conference has (includes radio, internet, etc):

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/...g-revenue/

Perhaps Matt or someone else can answer this.

(09-27-2011 03:55 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-27-2011 03:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  A clause in the contract states that if the ACC adds two teams or loses two teams the contract can be renegotiated.
A lot will depend of when Pitt and Syracuse can join the ACC.

Good. It will be interesting to see how much the ACC can get out of this. If this is a full re-negotiation, where if parties can not come to an agreement, that the ACC can take their TV rights out on the open market, then maybe a big payday and a conference network are possible. If it's a limited renegotiation were the ACC can only reasonably get the same for the new members as the existing members then this is much ado about nothing.

On the expansion board, there is a post saying Boomer Eisiasin said on his radio show that ESPN forced the ACC to add Pitt and Cuse. Legally, the ACC asked ESPN how much more they could expect if they added Pitt and Cuse and if they said it would add 3-5 million per team then they did kind of force the ACC to expand because who's going to pass on an extra $400 million dollars over the course of 12 years but they didn't break any laws.

NO!
The article says that the negotiation is between the ACC and ESPN ONLY. If a figure can not be agreed on it will go to arbitration. The contract can not be opened up to have outside bidders.

(09-27-2011 03:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  A clause in the contract states that if the ACC adds two teams or loses two teams the contract can be renegotiated.
A lot will depend of when Pitt and Syracuse can join the ACC.

Coincidence or conspiracy? I think its fair to assume ESPN had a hand in the acquisition of Pitt and Syracuse.

Now that the entire article is available here are some interesting pieces from it:

When asked if he anticipates the ACC’s per-school revenue of $12.9 million a year to increase from the current deal, Swofford said, “The simple answer is yes. We expect to do better than our schools staying even.”

Officials representing ACC schools wouldn’t say exactly how much more money they expect, but industry executives suggest that the ACC’s new contract could increase in value by as much as $2 million per school per year, which would make the overall conference deal worth nearly $210 million a year.

One way for the ACC to convince ESPN to increase its rights fee would be to offer more rights in exchange. It’s likely that ESPN would want to extend the ACC’s deal by several more years, sources said.

So basically the worse they are looking at is an average of $15 million per school. Will that be enough to deter potential targets from leaving the ACC for the SEC or Big Ten.

I would think not.

On the other hand, to get more than that, they may have to extend the deal further out in time. Not sure that is a good idea either.

Cheers,
Neil

(09-28-2011 01:38 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Now that the entire article is available here are some interesting pieces from it:

When asked if he anticipates the ACC’s per-school revenue of $12.9 million a year to increase from the current deal, Swofford said, “The simple answer is yes. We expect to do better than our schools staying even.”

Officials representing ACC schools wouldn’t say exactly how much more money they expect, but industry executives suggest that the ACC’s new contract could increase in value by as much as $2 million per school per year, which would make the overall conference deal worth nearly $210 million a year.

One way for the ACC to convince ESPN to increase its rights fee would be to offer more rights in exchange. It’s likely that ESPN would want to extend the ACC’s deal by several more years, sources said.

So basically the worse they are looking at is an average of $15 million per school. Will that be enough to deter potential targets from leaving the ACC for the SEC or Big Ten.

I would think not.

On the other hand, to get more than that, they may have to extend the deal further out in time. Not sure that is a good idea either.

Cheers,
Neil

The other part that the article notes is that the ACC cannot take its rights out to the open market. They can only negotiate with ESPN.

Going into the negotiations, I would aim high-like the 25M per team range. I know the league won't get 25M, but I think 18M-20M could be in the realm of possibilities. I'd also make sure that if ESPN wants 3rd tier rights, they'd have to pay similar to what an ACC Network would pay per school.

(09-28-2011 04:15 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  Going into the negotiations, I would aim high-like the 25M per team range. I know the league won't get 25M, but I think 18M-20M could be in the realm of possibilities. I'd also make sure that if ESPN wants 3rd tier rights, they'd have to pay similar to what an ACC Network would pay per school.

With it just being SU and Pitt, I think $18 million is probably the maximum. Have to leave some room in case the league is fortunate enough to get ND in for all-sports.

Hope I'm wrong.

Cheers,
Neil

What ever the increase is, it will be a big pay increase for both Pitt and 'cuse.

I'm would imagine the with impending addition of Notre Dame, the ACC might just wait for a while before the final negotiations begin.
I would also think that ESPN would have a pretty good handle on all of the expansion information with every conference.

(09-28-2011 07:00 PM)XLance Wrote:  What ever the increase is, it will be a big pay increase for both Pitt and 'cuse.

True dat.