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L-yes Wrote:I think its pretty simple.  You keep the tir bowl in 4th with their 1.2 million payout and add another bowl with a higher payout at the #3 in the Liberty.  The math makes sense, it does not make sense to let the Liberty walk for an extra $500,000 in the tire bowl.
I don't get it. 8 months ago all we heard from Louisville fans was comments dissing the LB and going to Memphis in general. Now you guys are practically salivating at the thought of playing the SEC #8 in the LB. Let's hear the spin.
Ok I probably qualify. I think the Liberty bowl is great for the third place team, it is a high pay out and close to home for being the third best team. However when your team wins it's conference three times in five years and it is the best place you can send your best team, it gets old. The BCS bowls move around and are in warmer spots, but I wouldn't mind the liberty bowl this year as a consolation prize if Louisville didn't win the conference title.


Now that I gave you my "spin" tell me where all the Tigers are that called me an idiot for asking about this story when it first broke, as if the Liberty bowl would never talk to the BE and never consider dropping CUSA.
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L-yes Wrote:We're(the fans) hoping for '06. We have Miami, UK and WVU on the schedule. From what I've gathered expansion has been approved by the BOT and the ULAA. I bet we hear more during the seasonand it will be definitive by december. Our indoor facility will be completed in December and from everything I've been told that item needed to be off the plate for expansion to begin.
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I don't get it either Tigersruleall. A few fans may be excited, but you never heard any excitement from me or a lot of others. I simply see it as a way for the BEast to shore up it's bowl situation for the next few years until we can do better.
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cardtopper Wrote:I don't get it either Tigersruleall. A few fans may be excited, but you never heard any excitement from me or a lot of others. I simply see it as a way for the BEast to shore up it's bowl situation for the next few years until we can do better.
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Well Like I said before, our #3 team should not be playing a non BCS team in a bowl game. That does nothing for the Big East. You want to send our #5 team to play the C-USA Champ? Im down with that, but not our #3 team. This is what I would love our bowl lineup to be...

1.) BCS Bowl
2.) Gator/Sun Bowl
3.) Champs Sports Bowl (doesnt look like it will happen)
4.) Meinke Car Bowl
5.) Liberty Bowl
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For the record I was talking about a BE vs. SEC Liberty bowl matchup, not CUSA.
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Pitinoville Wrote:Well Like I said before, our #3 team should not be playing a non BCS team in a bowl game. That does nothing for the Big East. You want to send our #5 team to play the C-USA Champ? Im down with that, but not our #3 team. This is what I would love our bowl lineup to be...

1.) BCS Bowl
2.) Gator/Sun Bowl
3.) Champs Sports Bowl (doesnt look like it will happen)
4.) Meinke Car Bowl
5.) Liberty Bowl
Champs is gone.

Speculation on my part:

The Big East has been offered the Liberty opposite the CUSA champ but we do not want to send our #3. #4 is on the table if they want it but the Liberty Bowl offers a high payout and does not care to sign our #4. The SEC has likewise been offered the CUSA champ and wants nothing to do with them. The SEC will play the Big East #3 if the Liberty Bowl would go for that match-up which I believe the Liberty Bowl wants desperately. The SEC tie-in is the bowl's holy grail and having Lousiville, West Virginia and Notre Dame with regularity is sweet icing. The problem is the local media and the memphis fan base. That said I see some well managed political speak coming out of the L-Bowl execs.
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Then just move the thing back to Philadelphia... problem solved.
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L-yes Wrote:
Pitinoville Wrote:Well Like I said before, our #3 team should not be playing a non BCS team in a bowl game. That does nothing for the Big East. You want to send our #5 team to play the C-USA Champ? Im down with that, but not our #3 team. This is what I would love our bowl lineup to be...

1.) BCS Bowl
2.) Gator/Sun Bowl
3.) Champs Sports Bowl (doesnt look like it will happen)
4.) Meinke Car Bowl
5.) Liberty Bowl
Champs is gone.

Speculation on my part:

The Big East has been offered the Liberty opposite the CUSA champ but we do not want to send our #3. #4 is on the table if they want it but the Liberty Bowl offers a high payout and does not care to sign our #4. The SEC has likewise been offered the CUSA champ and wants nothing to do with them. The SEC will play the Big East #3 if the Liberty Bowl would go for that match-up which I believe the Liberty Bowl wants desperately. The SEC tie-in is the bowl's holy grail and having Lousiville, West Virginia and Notre Dame with regularity is sweet icing. The problem is the local media and the memphis fan base. That said I see some well managed political speak coming out of the L-Bowl execs.
I really think the MW is a bigger player than you guys think here. It is funny the different perspectives from differnet parts of the country. Our commish said (and you can watch the video from Tues on the MWC website), that he thought it was a "75% chance, maybe more" that the MW would reup with the Liberty. And the LV Bowl's chair seemed pretty pessimistic about scoring the MWC champ vs the PAC 10 #4. The champ vs champ relationship worked in the past, providing at least one top 25 team every year and two top 25's four of the five years (would have been 5 of 6 with Utah/Louisville) with the best streak of attendance in the history of the bowl (even TCU/CSU cleared 55K). That is a pretty proven track record they have to try to improve on. We'll have to see, but I think the path of least resistance will be to continue the MWC/CUSA matchup.
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Killerfrog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:
Pitinoville Wrote:Well Like I said before, our #3 team should not be playing a non BCS team in a bowl game. That does nothing for the Big East. You want to send our #5 team to play the C-USA Champ? Im down with that, but not our #3 team. This is what I would love our bowl lineup to be...

1.) BCS Bowl
2.) Gator/Sun Bowl
3.) Champs Sports Bowl (doesnt look like it will happen)
4.) Meinke Car Bowl
5.) Liberty Bowl
Champs is gone.

Speculation on my part:

The Big East has been offered the Liberty opposite the CUSA champ but we do not want to send our #3. #4 is on the table if they want it but the Liberty Bowl offers a high payout and does not care to sign our #4. The SEC has likewise been offered the CUSA champ and wants nothing to do with them. The SEC will play the Big East #3 if the Liberty Bowl would go for that match-up which I believe the Liberty Bowl wants desperately. The SEC tie-in is the bowl's holy grail and having Lousiville, West Virginia and Notre Dame with regularity is sweet icing. The problem is the local media and the memphis fan base. That said I see some well managed political speak coming out of the L-Bowl execs.
I really think the MW is a bigger player than you guys think here. It is funny the different perspectives from differnet parts of the country. Our commish said (and you can watch the video from Tues on the MWC website), that he thought it was a "75% chance, maybe more" that the MW would reup with the Liberty. And the LV Bowl's chair seemed pretty pessimistic about scoring the MWC champ vs the PAC 10 #4. The champ vs champ relationship worked in the past, providing at least one top 25 team every year and two top 25's four of the five years (would have been 5 of 6 with Utah/Louisville) with the best streak of attendance in the history of the bowl (even TCU/CSU cleared 55K). That is a pretty proven track record they have to try to improve on. We'll have to see, but I think the path of least resistance will be to continue the MWC/CUSA matchup.
The MWC is a red herring imo. From everything I've read no one in the conference is excited about the L-Bowl and all want to go to Las Vegas. The MWC never brings many fans.
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Cubanbull Wrote:Well ill say there is a BIG difference in having the Liberty Bowl as your #1 destination and it being your #3
04-cheers You nailed it!
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L-yes Wrote:
Killerfrog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:
Pitinoville Wrote:Well Like I said before, our #3 team should not be playing a non BCS team in a bowl game. That does nothing for the Big East. You want to send our #5 team to play the C-USA Champ? Im down with that, but not our #3 team. This is what I would love our bowl lineup to be...

1.) BCS Bowl
2.) Gator/Sun Bowl
3.) Champs Sports Bowl (doesnt look like it will happen)
4.) Meinke Car Bowl
5.) Liberty Bowl
Champs is gone.

Speculation on my part:

The Big East has been offered the Liberty opposite the CUSA champ but we do not want to send our #3. #4 is on the table if they want it but the Liberty Bowl offers a high payout and does not care to sign our #4. The SEC has likewise been offered the CUSA champ and wants nothing to do with them. The SEC will play the Big East #3 if the Liberty Bowl would go for that match-up which I believe the Liberty Bowl wants desperately. The SEC tie-in is the bowl's holy grail and having Lousiville, West Virginia and Notre Dame with regularity is sweet icing. The problem is the local media and the memphis fan base. That said I see some well managed political speak coming out of the L-Bowl execs.
I really think the MW is a bigger player than you guys think here. It is funny the different perspectives from differnet parts of the country. Our commish said (and you can watch the video from Tues on the MWC website), that he thought it was a "75% chance, maybe more" that the MW would reup with the Liberty. And the LV Bowl's chair seemed pretty pessimistic about scoring the MWC champ vs the PAC 10 #4. The champ vs champ relationship worked in the past, providing at least one top 25 team every year and two top 25's four of the five years (would have been 5 of 6 with Utah/Louisville) with the best streak of attendance in the history of the bowl (even TCU/CSU cleared 55K). That is a pretty proven track record they have to try to improve on. We'll have to see, but I think the path of least resistance will be to continue the MWC/CUSA matchup.
The MWC is a red herring imo. From everything I've read no one in the conference is excited about the L-Bowl and all want to go to Las Vegas. The MWC never brings many fans.
Maybe, but apparently the Las Vegas is worried, and you know bowl execs talk enough to know when something is a red herring. Maybe the Liberty and the MWC are trying to use each other to better their situation and really don't have any intent on a continued relationship (maybe the MWC is trying to get the LV to up its payout, or something), but that seems rather conniving on both parts. Plus, the LB exec was at the MWC media days (and I know he was at the Big East's, too). Not saying the LB will go with the MWC, and I'm not sure that is what many MWC fans really want anyway, but I don't think you can ignore the MWC as a possibility in this situation- there are just too many indications that point otherwise.
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L-yes Wrote:The MWC is a red herring imo. From everything I've read no one in the conference is excited about the L-Bowl and all want to go to Las Vegas. The MWC never brings many fans.
Absolutely true statment. I live out west, and I know for a fact that the mountain states' contingent loves nothing more than to go to the desert in the wintertime.
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If Memphis were already under the BE umbrella, this discussion would be moot. The new LB contract would be BE/SEC.

Is this an indication that MT may be a little shortsighted regarding future occurrences? If so, we'd better be careful. Shortsightedness can jump up and bite you!

Irony intended.

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JIM15068 Wrote:If Memphis were already under the BE umbrella, this discussion would be moot. The new LB contract would be BE/SEC.

Is this an indication that MT may be a little shortsighted regarding future occurrences? If so, we'd better be careful. Shortsightedness can jump up and bite you!

Irony intended.

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What is ouch...is that the Big East has to stand on a team not even in it's conference....and has to beg the BCS to use a new member's record to stand on it's own two feet....OUCH!
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LOL, ok but the final outcome is that the BE HAS the BCS bid, you guys DONT, and now you guys are sweating losing your BIGGEST Bowl which could end up with the BE THIRD or FOURTH team. So enjoy sending your champ to the NO Bowl to meet the Sun Belt champ or the GMAC vs the MAC's SECOND place team.Now that has to hurt LOL
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Killerfrog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:
Killerfrog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:
Pitinoville Wrote:Well Like I said before, our #3 team should not be playing a non BCS team in a bowl game. That does nothing for the Big East. You want to send our #5 team to play the C-USA Champ? Im down with that, but not our #3 team. This is what I would love our bowl lineup to be...

1.) BCS Bowl
2.) Gator/Sun Bowl
3.) Champs Sports Bowl (doesnt look like it will happen)
4.) Meinke Car Bowl
5.) Liberty Bowl
Champs is gone.

Speculation on my part:

The Big East has been offered the Liberty opposite the CUSA champ but we do not want to send our #3. #4 is on the table if they want it but the Liberty Bowl offers a high payout and does not care to sign our #4. The SEC has likewise been offered the CUSA champ and wants nothing to do with them. The SEC will play the Big East #3 if the Liberty Bowl would go for that match-up which I believe the Liberty Bowl wants desperately. The SEC tie-in is the bowl's holy grail and having Lousiville, West Virginia and Notre Dame with regularity is sweet icing. The problem is the local media and the memphis fan base. That said I see some well managed political speak coming out of the L-Bowl execs.
I really think the MW is a bigger player than you guys think here. It is funny the different perspectives from differnet parts of the country. Our commish said (and you can watch the video from Tues on the MWC website), that he thought it was a "75% chance, maybe more" that the MW would reup with the Liberty. And the LV Bowl's chair seemed pretty pessimistic about scoring the MWC champ vs the PAC 10 #4. The champ vs champ relationship worked in the past, providing at least one top 25 team every year and two top 25's four of the five years (would have been 5 of 6 with Utah/Louisville) with the best streak of attendance in the history of the bowl (even TCU/CSU cleared 55K). That is a pretty proven track record they have to try to improve on. We'll have to see, but I think the path of least resistance will be to continue the MWC/CUSA matchup.
The MWC is a red herring imo. From everything I've read no one in the conference is excited about the L-Bowl and all want to go to Las Vegas. The MWC never brings many fans.
Maybe, but apparently the Las Vegas is worried, and you know bowl execs talk enough to know when something is a red herring. Maybe the Liberty and the MWC are trying to use each other to better their situation and really don't have any intent on a continued relationship (maybe the MWC is trying to get the LV to up its payout, or something), but that seems rather conniving on both parts. Plus, the LB exec was at the MWC media days (and I know he was at the Big East's, too). Not saying the LB will go with the MWC, and I'm not sure that is what many MWC fans really want anyway, but I don't think you can ignore the MWC as a possibility in this situation- there are just too many indications that point otherwise.
The L-Bowl wants SEC, The L-Bowl wants Big East #3, Big East wants SEC, SEC wants Big East in L-Bowl, L-Bowl would like to keep CUSA for the near term, Big East won't send #3 to play CUSA, SEC won't play CUSA period, Big East is offering #4 to L-Bowl vs CUSA, #3 would go to Charlotte to face ACC#4, L-Bowl and MWC were dead in the water before other conferences became interested in the bowl, MWC is a red herring to enhance L-Bowl leverage at the bargaining table.
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O.G. Eagle Wrote:What is ouch...is that the Big East has to stand on a team not even in it's conference....and has to beg the BCS to use a new member's record to stand on it's own two feet....OUCH!

How dare the Big East use the ranking of a team they invited to their conference! The bastards! Ironically the ACC asked the BCS to use a future members ranking, so if you want to go whine and complain like a little girl feel free to go to the ACC board and let them have it! OUCH! By the way, Notre Dame is a member of the Big East conference, look it up! OUCH!
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Cubanbull Wrote:LOL, ok but the final outcome is that the BE HAS the BCS bid, you guys DONT, and now you guys are sweating losing your BIGGEST Bowl which could end up with the BE THIRD or FOURTH team. So enjoy sending your champ to the NO Bowl to meet the Sun Belt champ or the GMAC vs the MAC's SECOND place team.Now that has to hurt LOL

LOL! It's funny, I'm trying to figure this O.G. Eagle out. He's ripping the Big East for supposedly "begging" the BCS to use a future members rankings when it was the ACC that "begged" the BCS. Remember, Boston College was a Top 20 team and a favorite to finish in the Top 10, win the Big East title and go to a BCS bowl. At the time that deal was cut Louisville was unranked so why would the Big East "beg" the BCS to use an unranked members ranking? So, using O.G. Eagle's logic, the Big East would rather use unranked Louisville's rankings instead of Top 15 or 20 Boston College's rankings!? Also, he's ripping the Big East for using a "non-member" for support in bowl negotiations when Notre Dame is actually IN the Big East conference in every sport but football. So, in exchange for supporting all of Notre Dame's other sports Notre Dame is helping support the Big East's football side. A partnership. But I guess that would shoot down O.G. Eagle's paranoid ramblings so why give him facts and logic!
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Cat's_Claw Wrote:
Cubanbull Wrote:LOL, ok but the final outcome is that the BE HAS the BCS bid, you guys DONT, and now you guys are sweating losing your BIGGEST Bowl which could end up with the BE THIRD or FOURTH team. So enjoy sending your champ to the NO Bowl to meet the Sun Belt champ or the GMAC vs the MAC's SECOND place team.Now that has to hurt LOL

LOL! It's funny, I'm trying to figure this O.G. Eagle out. He's ripping the Big East for supposedly "begging" the BCS to use a future members rankings when it was the ACC that "begged" the BCS. Remember, Boston College was a Top 20 team and a favorite to finish in the Top 10, win the Big East title and go to a BCS bowl. At the time that deal was cut Louisville was unranked so why would the Big East "beg" the BCS to use an unranked members ranking? So, using O.G. Eagle's logic, the Big East would rather use unranked Louisville's rankings instead of Top 15 or 20 Boston College's rankings!? Also, he's ripping the Big East for using a "non-member" for support in bowl negotiations when Notre Dame is actually IN the Big East conference in every sport but football. So, in exchange for supporting all of Notre Dame's other sports Notre Dame is helping support the Big East's football side. A partnership. But I guess that would shoot down O.G. Eagle's paranoid ramblings so why give him facts and logic!
LOL...thanks for proving my point!...exactly.........
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