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(12-13-2011 11:56 AM)Capital Pirate Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 11:50 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Duke - 28,7

With all due respect, the fact that you would post this (and rely on it) shows that you (like most of the posters here) know nothing about college football in the State of North Carolina.

...but keep on keeping on if it makes you feel better about your opinion. 04-cheers

It's snide remarks like this that prevent there from ever being an intelligent discussion about ECU's situation. So much time & effort is wasted by some ECU fans whining about how unfair it all is that you miss the reasons why ECU isn't being included. All some of you seem to do is play the victim card.

I'm not pretending to know what the situation for college football is in NC. Frankly if Duke & Wake didn't exist, you'd still have a problem as the 3rd school in a state with a population of 9 million when the flagship & the 2nd school both have higher attendance than you do. Furthermore, you're aspiring to a basketball-first conference & you have a terrible basketball program which draws no fans. Those are both real problems whether you like it or not.

What I said about Duke & wake is based on their reported attendance. Even if those attendance figures are way off, they still draw some fans. That's all I was saying; you can't simply write off those numbers as if they don't exist even though they're lower than ECU's. If it's off by 20%, they still combine for about the same number of fans in the stadium as ECU. Those are fans whose interests lie somewhere else. When TV networks look at NC, they see 4 schools that are part of a TV contract & wonder how they're going to generate enough interest in the state for a 5th school in 2 sports. Even though Duke & Wake don't individually draw a lot of fans, they still are part of the ACC TV package & they'll still get fans of other ACC teams watching their games. Because of their location, they don't have to pull viewers in based only on their own merits like ECU does. That's unfortunate, but it's the reality.

In NC, 3 schools report attendance of 50K+. That's one issue. But 3 other schools report attendance of 25K+ & combine for 80K+. You can ignore that at your own peril but the media consultants that the Big East hires aren't ignoring it. To play the victim card & act as if you're simply the victim of bias is not living in the real world.
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(12-13-2011 12:18 PM)Capital Pirate Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 12:04 PM)Chappy Wrote:  In Melky's defense, that is their official number from last year.

About 5,000 Alabama fans bought season tickets to Duke last year to guarantee seats at Wallace-Wade stadium. After all, Duke season tickets cost less than one Alabama home game.

I realize that is the "official number", but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Wallace-Wade is generally less than half-full for EVERY game Duke plays unless the other team fills the seats.....

...and that was the purpose of my post. Anyone hanging their argument on Duke putting almost 30k DUKE fans in their stadium knows little about college football in NC.....

It would be nice if you would deal with what I actually said instead of making outlandish claims that I'm "hanging my hat on that argument." By failing to deal with the point I was making, you reinforce the perception that too many ECU fans simply don't want to deal with reality.

You make the claim that your situation is the result of discrimination which has resulted in limited resources. That may win you the pity vote, but it doesn't convince very many people whom you actually need to convince. In the 1990's ECU won a lot of games & was ranked more than once. They made themselves into an attractive program. Unfortunately that success has not been sustained. That's the problem
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Duke and Wake don't have to make a case for themselves. They are charter members of the ACC from back when it started in 1953. They were also members of the Southern Conference before that.

ECU hangs their hat on the fact that they sell a lot of tickets to their football games and that they usually have decent records in football.

But expansion has nothing to do with that, with the exception of Boise State. It has everything to do with market, and ECU has a tiny one.

Unless you suddenly attract another half million people to Pitt County, you will not even be considered for expansion. End of story.
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Melky....you're right about the sustained success. We took the tough road when other schools such as TCU, Utah, Houston and Boise figured out how to play by the new rules. That was a fatal mistake in my opinion although the intentions were good. The other fatal mistake was ignoring basketball for so many years. I've always though if we had focused on basketball more (way back) we'd probably have been in the BE in 2003, at the latest. We're the only school I can think of that puts more pressure on baseball than basketball. I believe we have learned a valuable lesson with football scheduling.....hopefully. I can think of several seasons we'd finish ranked or with a winning season if we'd toned things down a little. 2008-2009 come to mind.
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(12-13-2011 12:18 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  It's snide remarks like this that prevent there from ever being an intelligent discussion about ECU's situation. So much time & effort is wasted by some ECU fans whining about how unfair it all is that you miss the reasons why ECU isn't being included. All some of you seem to do is play the victim card.

Nothing snide at all about it - simply facts that folks from outside this state don't seem to know when they are telling ECU fans all about why the ECU program isn't included in the latest round of market popularity contests. Duke rarely has 10,000 people in the stands for it's home games, and unless Wake Forest is winning, they are lucky to have 20. Anyone who knows college football in this state at all is well aware of that fact. I just want you and others who post about things such as this to be educated before you do - what you do with that education is up to you.

...as for the notion that things are "unfair", or that I am somehow playing a "victim card", please. I have been around ECU athletics for over 30 years, and know full well the politics and posturing that have left ECU in the position it finds itself. ECU is only the "victim" of being drawn into a subjective "box" by people who think that no one in Raleigh watches TV from the Greenville area or vice-versa. If that asinine "line" was drawn 15 miles to the East, ECU would (rightfully) be in the RDU "market" and we wouldn't be having these silly discussions, but as it were, the line is where it is, and we have to told by folks who know NOTHING about this state (but plenty about lines) why we weren't included. You don't have this problem, and never will. You don't know the frustration that comes with this ridiculously subjective situation and never will. You may, however, understand why ECU folks get a little defensive when being preached to like we frequently see on these boards.....

Carry on.
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(12-13-2011 12:13 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 11:50 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  My larger point was that therre is a ceiling for ECU because there is a lot of competition for the local sports fan.

Not as much as you'd think. Like I said Duke and WF have marginal fanbases, believe it or not. Duke fans only appear during basketball season and Wake is almost non-existent. Nobody cares about App St. Nobody cares about the Carolina Hurricanes other than Yankee transplants. There's more transplants in the Raleigh-Durham area now than there are natives so many of them don't even have a dog in the fight. To be honest I don't even care about the Carolina Panthers but I'm probably in the minority there.

ECU has the Greenville market for sure but a lot of fans live in Raleigh, Durham, Charlotte and Tidewater, VA. I agree that we can't claim those markets as our own but plenty of folks are watching ECU in those areas. Greenville is a college town so by nature most of our alumns and fans can't live there. It is one of the fastest growing cities in NC though.

I totally understand your points and I don't expect you to fully comprehend ECU's football and baseball culture. To be honest ECU is kind of a freak of nature. Conventional wisdom tells you we shouldn't be doing what we've been doing over the years.

It's hard to figure how you can seriously make this argument. 80,000 are paying money to show up at Wake, Duk, & ASU games, but you want to totally ignore that fact & claim that nobody cares about them. The truth is that far fewer fans care about them than about ECU, but when combined, those fans combine to a number that does matter.

North Carolina is in an unusual situation in which it's not just a single private school that's competing for attention or a single lower level state school that's in the competion, but there are 3 of them. That matters. It also matters that ECU is not jsut competing against the flagship, they're effectively competing against 2 flagships & they're doing it in a state that has NFL football.

NC is a state of 9 million. You go out of your way to disparage "Yankee transplants" - again marginalizing a segment of the population with the claim that nobody cares about them. Well, guess what? They're part of that 9 million that makes NC one of the dozen largest states in the country. The reason that eastern NC is [perhaps the fastest growing regions in the state is precisely because of those Yankee transplants who are moving to Hilton Head & on up the coast. The mild climate & good golfing is attracting retirees to the area. By claiming that those folks don't matter, all you have done is effectively shrunk your market. Those are the very people that you hae to win over as fans at least for increased TV viewership if not for actual ticket sales.

Ultimately you have to face up to the fact that there is no other state in the country of 9 million or smaller that has 5 BCS teams in it. Even if you want to ignore Duke & Wake, there isn't a state of 9 million or less that has 3 such teams except Indiana. What we see in Indiana is an unsuccessful football program at the state flagship, a moderately successful program at Purdue, & a national program at Notre Dame - not exactly the formula in NC & not a formula for success anywhere. Nor does NC border border a large state like Illinois, which is without a successful college football program of its own. Purdue sits right on the Illinois border & is close enough to Chicago to easily recruit players from that area.
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(12-13-2011 12:18 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 11:56 AM)Capital Pirate Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 11:50 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Duke - 28,7

With all due respect, the fact that you would post this (and rely on it) shows that you (like most of the posters here) know nothing about college football in the State of North Carolina.

...but keep on keeping on if it makes you feel better about your opinion. 04-cheers

It's snide remarks like this that prevent there from ever being an intelligent discussion about ECU's situation. So much time & effort is wasted by some ECU fans whining about how unfair it all is that you miss the reasons why ECU isn't being included. All some of you seem to do is play the victim card.

I'm not pretending to know what the situation for college football is in NC. Frankly if Duke & Wake didn't exist, you'd still have a problem as the 3rd school in a state with a population of 9 million when the flagship & the 2nd school both have higher attendance than you do. Furthermore, you're aspiring to a basketball-first conference & you have a terrible basketball program which draws no fans. Those are both real problems whether you like it or not.

What I said about Duke & wake is based on their reported attendance. Even if those attendance figures are way off, they still draw some fans. That's all I was saying; you can't simply write off those numbers as if they don't exist even though they're lower than ECU's. If it's off by 20%, they still combine for about the same number of fans in the stadium as ECU. Those are fans whose interests lie somewhere else. When TV networks look at NC, they see 4 schools that are part of a TV contract & wonder how they're going to generate enough interest in the state for a 5th school in 2 sports. Even though Duke & Wake don't individually draw a lot of fans, they still are part of the ACC TV package & they'll still get fans of other ACC teams watching their games. Because of their location, they don't have to pull viewers in based only on their own merits like ECU does. That's unfortunate, but it's the reality.

In NC, 3 schools report attendance of 50K+. That's one issue. But 3 other schools report attendance of 25K+ & combine for 80K+. You can ignore that at your own peril but the media consultants that the Big East hires aren't ignoring it. To play the victim card & act as if you're simply the victim of bias is not living in the real world.

Melky, you and I aren't going to agree on much (btw, there's many more than "4 FBS schools" in CA 05-stirthepot), but what's bolded above is absolutely correct, and is really the beginning and end of why ECU will never sniff the Big East.

ECU commands the Greenville and ENC market, with a sizeable presence in many others including Tidewater, Charlotte, the Triad, and the Triangle. We have great facilities and good attendance. We have history. It's frustrating that we are not rewarded for that.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT when you have at least four other schools tied up in TV contracts that matter. Its simple proportions:

The state of Texas has 25M people and 7 teams that will be in AQ conferences (1 for every 3.6M).
The state of Florida has 19M people and 5 teams that will be in AQ conferences (1 for every 3.8M).
The state of North Carolina has 9M people and 4 teams that are in AQ conferences (1 for every 2.3M). Add another and that ratio drops even further. I get it.

This is an argument that at least makes marginal sense, and I'll accept it (even if I don't like it, or that things like tradition and geography don't matter anymore). But as much as you don't like excuses, I don't like nonsense like "just win more" or "make yourself more attractive".
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Melky....the transplants aren't watching anybody in NC. That was my point. Like you said many of them are older and have their own allegiances to some other team be it college or pro. That's what I meant by they don't have a dog in the fight. App St doesn't even get on TV to be an option. Technically they're in the Charlotte market even though geographically they're further from Charlotte than we are from Raleigh. That's how ridiculous this is.

At the end of the day we're talking market size vs actual eyes on the gams televised. When you're strictly talking market size (residential population east of I-95) we lose every time.
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(12-13-2011 12:26 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 12:18 PM)Capital Pirate Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 12:04 PM)Chappy Wrote:  In Melky's defense, that is their official number from last year.

About 5,000 Alabama fans bought season tickets to Duke last year to guarantee seats at Wallace-Wade stadium. After all, Duke season tickets cost less than one Alabama home game.

I realize that is the "official number", but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Wallace-Wade is generally less than half-full for EVERY game Duke plays unless the other team fills the seats.....

...and that was the purpose of my post. Anyone hanging their argument on Duke putting almost 30k DUKE fans in their stadium knows little about college football in NC.....

It would be nice if you would deal with what I actually said instead of making outlandish claims that I'm "hanging my hat on that argument." By failing to deal with the point I was making, you reinforce the perception that too many ECU fans simply don't want to deal with reality.

You make the claim that your situation is the result of discrimination which has resulted in limited resources. That may win you the pity vote, but it doesn't convince very many people whom you actually need to convince. In the 1990's ECU won a lot of games & was ranked more than once. They made themselves into an attractive program. Unfortunately that success has not been sustained. That's the problem

Now see, this is where you and I disagree. That isn't the problem. Only market and woeful basketball is the problem. We've sustained after going through 4 coaches in the last 15 years, with limited resources and still had 8-9 bowls in between there. We have never been an attractive program to either the ACC or the BE (the two conferences that would make sense) for us to be invited. It wouldn't matter if we won the conference every year for the last 5-10 yearsr in football, the BE would be turned off by market and the lack of basketball and the ACC would rather disband football before they iever invited ECU. Now I'll agree to the point that if the market could be proven to exist and ECU dominated CUSA, that the SEC would have to give us some serious consideration, but that is still slim at best. But you gotta realize that it's difficult to be a dominant program without the resources. It may be easier for Boise, because other then Idaho, who else are they competing with for resources.

And if you know anything about the ACC North Carolina schools and East Carolina's history, there is obviously discrimination just as BC doesn't want UCONN in the league, but 1000 times worse. Unless another All Eastern conference is started and contains some relatively good programs for all sports, the Big East has been our only option for the last 20 years.

East Carolina has ridden the backs of its fans / donators to get as far as we have and the obvious worry is that
1. fans will grow restless and the program will take a step back.
2. besides a few teams, the Alliance is weaker, and the program will take a further step back.

Just as every fan of a BE school that was getting left behind by the defectors worried at least at some point........."man, I wonder if we are gonna end back in CUSA......" so to the East Carolina fans worried about where the program is headed now.
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WOULD ECU FANS PLEASE SHUT UP!!! you guys are making me hate my own fanbase lol. but anyways look what ECU needs to do like melkeycabrera said is win. we need to quit making excuses and go win 10+ next season. A glaring stat someone said the other day was how we have only been ranked in the final poll 3 times which was eye opening to me.We have a good fan base, good facilities, and a good football history but we need something great. the only thing we can do is win and win big and we will be picked up guarantee it. You guys say its not about wins its about markets, well yes you are right. Are we a better program than ucf? yes, but overall with their market we may not really be more attractive than they are. Now if we go out and win 10+ every year like we are capable of doing and we expand our stadium again then good things will happen for us. ECU fans just please quit preaching to the choir. We are not going to be handed the big east. Weve never gotten anything handed to us. We just need to go win and get ranked and show that this program has what it takes to win at the national level
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Time to schedule down.
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(12-13-2011 01:51 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Time to schedule down.

Sadly that is your best chance as Houston and USM prove. Still in addition to that you also need to just do better as obviously you have nearly the same schedule as those teams and the record has not been stellar.
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(12-13-2011 01:51 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Time to schedule down.

Sadly, I agree. Our schedule could be

D1AA (JMU, Richmond, App St, etc)
OOC Non AQ (MAC, Sunbelt or Service Academy)
Very winnable BCS AQ (not going to start a pissing contest; use your imagination)
One of our traditional regional foes (USC, UNC, NCSU, VT, WVU)
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Utep

That sets us up nicely for a very good season and would have a good chance at finishing the season ranked.
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(12-13-2011 12:44 PM)WilsonPirate Wrote:  BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT when you have at least four other schools tied up in TV contracts that matter. Its simple proportions:

The state of Texas has 25M people and 7 teams that will be in AQ conferences (1 for every 3.6M).
The state of Florida has 19M people and 5 teams that will be in AQ conferences (1 for every 3.8M).
The state of North Carolina has 9M people and 4 teams that are in AQ conferences (1 for every 2.3M). Add another and that ratio drops even further. I get it.

This is an argument that at least makes marginal sense, and I'll accept it (even if I don't like it, or that things like tradition and geography don't matter anymore). But as much as you don't like excuses, I don't like nonsense like "just win more" or "make yourself more attractive".

It's good to see an ECU fan self-aware enough to identify this as a major issue. As far as the TV networks are concerned, the state of North Carolina is already blanketed. Even if you took out Duke and Wake Forest and assumed that UNC and NC State were the only AQ schools in the state, that's still higher AQ per capita representation than larger states like New York, Illinois, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio. The monster Texas market really is separated between 2 schools (Texas and Texas A&M) and then everyone else fends for the leftovers. If the TV networks think of football-crazy Texas as "2 schools and everyone else", you can only imagine that they think of basketball-focused North Carolina. ECU is simply in the wrong location (and maybe even so far as to say one of the worst locations with so much direct ACC competition), so it needs to have Boise State-type numbers in order to garner a Big East invite. It might not be fair, but it is what it is.
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(12-13-2011 02:00 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 01:51 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Time to schedule down.

Sadly that is your best chance as Houston and USM prove. Still in addition to that you also need to just do better as obviously you have nearly the same schedule as those teams and the record has not been stellar.

That's not exactly true, as our conference record compared to the rest of the league is right up there at the top since realignment, but sadly I think the way this game is played means we just have to go out and play a bunch of worthless dog teams to get ahead. I hate the idea. Makes me sick to think about.
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Frank, there are some of us who know what we're up against. It doesn't make the pill any easier to swallow.

We need to schedule down and schedule 10+ wins a year for a couple of years. We need to win our bowl games. That's not for the Big East, that's for our fans. Our fans will appreciate some very successful seasons.

Scheduling top 12 teams South Carolina and VT to open the season; followed by North Carolina, who was getting votes; on top of that add Houston and Southern Miss, who both finished ranked makes for a very strong schedule. Navy is always a difficult opponent. It's not easy getting 10 wins that way.

With proper scheduling, we could have Boise State numbers in a 60,000 seat stadium. But, a Big East invitation wouldn't be best for us. We have nothing in common with urban schools in the Big East. It would be a temporary AQ solution at best if the AQ still exists then.
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(12-13-2011 02:27 PM)piratefan1975 Wrote:  With proper scheduling, we could have Boise State numbers in a 60,000 seat stadium. But, a Big East invitation wouldn't be best for us. We have nothing in common with urban schools in the Big East. It would be a temporary AQ solution at best if the AQ still exists then.

Just curious. Who would you consider to be ECU's ideal peer institutions?
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(12-13-2011 02:27 PM)piratefan1975 Wrote:  Frank, there are some of us who know what we're up against. It doesn't make the pill any easier to swallow.

We need to schedule down and schedule 10+ wins a year for a couple of years. We need to win our bowl games. That's not for the Big East, that's for our fans. Our fans will appreciate some very successful seasons.

Scheduling top 12 teams South Carolina and VT to open the season; followed by North Carolina, who was getting votes; on top of that add Houston and Southern Miss, who both finished ranked makes for a very strong schedule. Navy is always a difficult opponent. It's not easy getting 10 wins that way.

With proper scheduling, we could have Boise State numbers in a 60,000 seat stadium. But, a Big East invitation wouldn't be best for us. We have nothing in common with urban schools in the Big East. It would be a temporary AQ solution at best if the AQ still exists then.

Are our fans going to appreciate what a "schedule down" home slate is going to look like? My 2 big reservations with doing it are 1) I really enjoy playing games against quality local AQ opponents and 2) if we try this and we don't start winning a much higher percentage of games (and I am not talking 7-8 a year I'm talking 10 or more) people are not going to continue showing up at as high of levels. We have a schedule that we can go 5-7 and have sellouts.
12-13-2011 02:33 PM
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RE: IF THE BIG EAST FAILS TO TAKE ECU, THEN IT IS DUMBER THEN IT LOOKS
(12-13-2011 02:32 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  
(12-13-2011 02:27 PM)piratefan1975 Wrote:  With proper scheduling, we could have Boise State numbers in a 60,000 seat stadium. But, a Big East invitation wouldn't be best for us. We have nothing in common with urban schools in the Big East. It would be a temporary AQ solution at best if the AQ still exists then.

Just curious. Who would you consider to be ECU's ideal peer institutions?

In terms of culture and what sports are most important to us and what we place priority on? The SEC. Of course that's a pipe dream so it doesn't really matter. The BE has never been a fit for either side, but they did used to have a few members we had some history with, but now with VT and WVU no longer being there there isn't a single school left in the league that has a culture similar to ours.
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