(09-22-2011 03:38 PM)johnnylightnin Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 03:06 PM)panama Wrote:  By the way, does LaTech even want in the Sun Belt? Havent seen their posters making a beeline to this thread.

By and large, like most folks here, Tech would rather be in CUSA. It's a VERY real possibility that the door to CUSA could close for a long time in a very short time. The SunBelt beats the heck out of the southland and I think more and more Tech fans are starting to realize that it beats the heck out of the new WAC as well.

In the end though, it'll be up to the prez (who likely couldn't care less about athletics), and the big money guys. The big money guys didn't make their millions by being poor business people. I think they'll "warm up " to the idea of the belt if we get passed over for CUSA this go round.

I'm just a poor dude who buys tickets when I can...they ain't asking me.

I feel your pain bro

Does Tech want in the Sunbelt? Depends on who you ask.

What I want is the WAC we joined or the Big 12, but that ain't gonna happen. The new WAC sucks. I would take CUSA or the Belt over the new WAC tommorow.

There are some who will piss and moan over Tech joining the Belt, but there are people who piss and moan when you give them something free.

I am for La Tech athletics coming in to the League. I am for the Tech fans who are realistic and understand that they are in a tough situation and the Belt is an attractive option. I am against any Tech fans who turn their noses up at us like they are too good for the Belt...because they aren't.

Tech would be a nice addition, but I dounbt they'd finish in the top 2 in football this season. Troy and FIU have those spots locked down.

(09-22-2011 04:51 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I am for La Tech athletics coming in to the League. I am for the Tech fans who are realistic and understand that they are in a tough situation and the Belt is an attractive option. I am against any Tech fans who turn their noses up at us like they are too good for the Belt...because they aren't.

Tech would be a nice addition, but I dounbt they'd finish in the top 2 in football this season. Troy and FIU have those spots locked down.

What could be interesting is if the Sun Belt became pro-active and invited some WAC teams into it to form the following:

WEST

NMSU, LA Tech, UNT, TX State, UTSA, Ark State, UL

EAST

Troy, MT, WKU, FIU, FAU, ULM, USA

If we should lose a couple of members, whoever they might be, to another conference, we still have a 12 team conference.

What would LA Tech do in such instance? What would be the reaction of current SBC member to such a realignment? I think it would make for a strong all-sports conference. Of course, UALR being the only remaining non-football playing school, would have to seek another conference which should not be a problem for them given their recent success.

(09-22-2011 05:17 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 04:51 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I am for La Tech athletics coming in to the League. I am for the Tech fans who are realistic and understand that they are in a tough situation and the Belt is an attractive option. I am against any Tech fans who turn their noses up at us like they are too good for the Belt...because they aren't.

Tech would be a nice addition, but I dounbt they'd finish in the top 2 in football this season. Troy and FIU have those spots locked down.

What could be interesting is if the Sun Belt became pro-active and invited some WAC teams into it to form the following:

WEST

NMSU, LA Tech, UNT, TX State, UTSA, Ark State, UL

EAST

Troy, MT, WKU, FIU, FAU, ULM, USA

If we should lose a couple of members, whoever they might be, to another conference, we still have a 12 team conference.

What would LA Tech do in such instance? What would be the reaction of current SBC member to such a realignment? I think it would make for a strong all-sports conference. Of course, UALR being the only remaining non-football playing school, would have to seek another conference which should not be a problem for them given their recent success.

I think you can take a league like that and sell it to ESPN and Fox Sports Regional. Maybe even CBS Sports.

Might be able to get some additional money for the league.

(09-22-2011 04:51 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I am for the Tech fans who are realistic and understand that they are in a tough situation and the Belt is an attractive option.

Burn....you're in luck! Occasionally, they're both on this board!

Are you sure there are two?

(09-22-2011 09:44 PM)dchi72 Wrote:  Are you sure there are two?

You're right....it could be the same person with 2 i.d.'s.

Cybil, is that you? :<)

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By and large, like most folks here, Tech would rather be in CUSA. It's a VERY real possibility that the door to CUSA could close for a long time in a very short time. The SunBelt beats the heck out of the southland and I think more and more Tech fans are starting to realize that it beats the heck out of the new WAC as well.

In the end though, it'll be up to the prez (who likely couldn't care less about athletics), and the big money guys. The big money guys didn't make their millions by being poor business people. I think they'll "warm up " to the idea of the belt if we get passed over for CUSA this go round.

I'm just a poor dude who buys tickets when I can...they ain't asking me.
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I dont understand why you guys let those "big money" people dictate your program. What have they done for you" The last construction project was the field house over 10yrs ago and it was paid for with money borrowed by the La Tech Foundation and paid off over this last 10yr period. The La Tech Foundation borrowed the money for your video board with notes payable over the next 15yr. Your tennis complex, swimming pool, etc was paid for by student assessments. Only thing your "heavy hitters" have done in past 15-20yrs is Malone kicking in around $300 thou for basketball arena revamp, one guy kicked in for the artificial turf on the football field, a donation aided some improvements to the lighting system at your football stadium and thats about it. You have had a $20mil campaign underway for over a year now for an end zone structure and last word I had was around $9mil pledged and maybe $5mil collected. This is the opportunity for those "big givers" but where are they, why havent they come through? Not being critical, just saying that maybe there is a "myth" about big doners at Tech that needs some self examination. If they aint giving then why cater to them.

(09-22-2011 05:17 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 04:51 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I am for La Tech athletics coming in to the League. I am for the Tech fans who are realistic and understand that they are in a tough situation and the Belt is an attractive option. I am against any Tech fans who turn their noses up at us like they are too good for the Belt...because they aren't.

Tech would be a nice addition, but I dounbt they'd finish in the top 2 in football this season. Troy and FIU have those spots locked down.

What could be interesting is if the Sun Belt became pro-active and invited some WAC teams into it to form the following:

WEST

NMSU, LA Tech, UNT, TX State, UTSA, Ark State, UL

EAST

Troy, MT, WKU, FIU, FAU, ULM, USA

If we should lose a couple of members, whoever they might be, to another conference, we still have a 12 team conference.

What would LA Tech do in such instance? What would be the reaction of current SBC member to such a realignment? I think it would make for a strong all-sports conference. Of course, UALR being the only remaining non-football playing school, would have to seek another conference which should not be a problem for them given their recent success.

NO WAY TO NEW MEXICO STATE!!!

As I have clearly illustrated, their geography should be a deal breaker in and of itself, but their geography combined with the fact that they've had exactly THREE winning seasons since the original split of divisions in 79, the best of which was 7-5, should be an absolute all time deal breaker. North Texas has had a pretty bad run over the past six years(13 wins) but NMSU only been a little bit better in that same six year period(16 wins), but NMSU had a run in the 80's to 90's where they won twelve games in eight years.

(09-22-2011 11:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 11:45 AM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 11:31 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  If you only looked at football, it would be a much easier decision....but you don't. You invite all sports.

So many fans focus only on football and think wins in that one sport is all that matters . . very naieve fans.

This is the South. People talk football at basketball games here,

No one is debating that football is by far the most popular sport, but that doesn't mean that wins in football are the only thing that matters in conference realignment an argument can probably be made that it's not even in the top 3.

(09-22-2011 02:52 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Please FCS posters.........GO AWAY..........This thread is about Louisiana Tech and somehow it got hijacked. Go pester another conference board.

There was talk of FCS programs. i find that when I dont like a thread I dont read it.

No, thats the problem, the thread was about La Tech, which is a possibility for the sunbelt. The FCS BS was just that, BS by someone, theres not a chance on gods green earth that Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Georgia A&M, Georgia-Southeast Community College, or the Georgia Institute for the Deaf and Blind will be added to the SBC.

I think it's laughable that you don't think either one of Georgia State or Georgia southern have a chance at being added to the Sun Belt. I think that both will be given consideration even without the Sun Belt being raided by CUSA, if we lose a few schools to CUSA, I would say the odds are high that at least one of them gets in.

(09-23-2011 10:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 02:52 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Please FCS posters.........GO AWAY..........This thread is about Louisiana Tech and somehow it got hijacked. Go pester another conference board.

There was talk of FCS programs. i find that when I dont like a thread I dont read it.

No, thats the problem, the thread was about La Tech, which is a possibility for the sunbelt. The FCS BS was just that, BS by someone, theres not a chance on gods green earth that Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Georgia A&M, Georgia-Southeast Community College, or the Georgia Institute for the Deaf and Blind will be added to the SBC.

I think it's laughable that you don't think either one of Georgia State or Georgia southern have a chance at being added to the Sun Belt. I think that both will be given consideration even without the Sun Belt being raided by CUSA, if we lose a few schools to CUSA, I would say the odds are high that at least one of them gets in.

NO WAY TO GEORGIA STATE or GEORGIA SOUTHERN!
I think it laughable that you continue to push FCS programs over existing FBS programs. If you love the Atlanta Market so much, then move there! Because neither of these programs can deliver the Atlanta Market nor do they have more value to the conference then FCS programs like UTSA or TSU.

(09-23-2011 10:34 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 02:52 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:43 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Please FCS posters.........GO AWAY..........This thread is about Louisiana Tech and somehow it got hijacked. Go pester another conference board.

There was talk of FCS programs. i find that when I dont like a thread I dont read it.

No, thats the problem, the thread was about La Tech, which is a possibility for the sunbelt. The FCS BS was just that, BS by someone, theres not a chance on gods green earth that Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Georgia A&M, Georgia-Southeast Community College, or the Georgia Institute for the Deaf and Blind will be added to the SBC.

I think it's laughable that you don't think either one of Georgia State or Georgia southern have a chance at being added to the Sun Belt. I think that both will be given consideration even without the Sun Belt being raided by CUSA, if we lose a few schools to CUSA, I would say the odds are high that at least one of them gets in.

NO WAY TO GEORGIA STATE or GEORGIA SOUTHERN!
I think it laughable that you continue to push FCS programs over existing FBS programs. If you love the Atlanta Market so much, then move there! Because neither of these programs can deliver the Atlanta Market nor do they have more value to the conference then FCS programs like UTSA or TSU.

First of all...I live 30 miles from Atlanta so...

Anyhow, I'm not pushing anyone, please show me where I've pushed either one of Georgia Southern or Georgia State(or anyone for that matter) I'm not even convinced we need to expand, I'm simply saying that if we are going to expand, I think it's foolish to say that neither one has a shot, both are within the existing footprint and both bring their own advantages and disadvantages to the conference.

(09-23-2011 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:34 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 02:52 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 12:55 PM)panama Wrote:  There was talk of FCS programs. i find that when I dont like a thread I dont read it.

No, thats the problem, the thread was about La Tech, which is a possibility for the sunbelt. The FCS BS was just that, BS by someone, theres not a chance on gods green earth that Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Georgia A&M, Georgia-Southeast Community College, or the Georgia Institute for the Deaf and Blind will be added to the SBC.

I think it's laughable that you don't think either one of Georgia State or Georgia southern have a chance at being added to the Sun Belt. I think that both will be given consideration even without the Sun Belt being raided by CUSA, if we lose a few schools to CUSA, I would say the odds are high that at least one of them gets in.

NO WAY TO GEORGIA STATE or GEORGIA SOUTHERN!
I think it laughable that you continue to push FCS programs over existing FBS programs. If you love the Atlanta Market so much, then move there! Because neither of these programs can deliver the Atlanta Market nor do they have more value to the conference then FCS programs like UTSA or TSU.

First of all...I live 30 miles from Atlanta so...

Anyhow, I'm not pushing anyone, please show me where I've pushed either one of Georgia Southern or Georgia State(or anyone for that matter) I'm not even convinced we need to expand, I'm simply saying that if we are going to expand, I think it's foolish to say that neither one has a shot, both are within the existing footprint and both bring their own advantages and disadvantages to the conference.

Yes, and you've made you point numerious times in LARGE FONTS!

(09-23-2011 11:01 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:34 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 02:52 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  No, thats the problem, the thread was about La Tech, which is a possibility for the sunbelt. The FCS BS was just that, BS by someone, theres not a chance on gods green earth that Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Georgia A&M, Georgia-Southeast Community College, or the Georgia Institute for the Deaf and Blind will be added to the SBC.

I think it's laughable that you don't think either one of Georgia State or Georgia southern have a chance at being added to the Sun Belt. I think that both will be given consideration even without the Sun Belt being raided by CUSA, if we lose a few schools to CUSA, I would say the odds are high that at least one of them gets in.

NO WAY TO GEORGIA STATE or GEORGIA SOUTHERN!
I think it laughable that you continue to push FCS programs over existing FBS programs. If you love the Atlanta Market so much, then move there! Because neither of these programs can deliver the Atlanta Market nor do they have more value to the conference then FCS programs like UTSA or TSU.

First of all...I live 30 miles from Atlanta so...

Anyhow, I'm not pushing anyone, please show me where I've pushed either one of Georgia Southern or Georgia State(or anyone for that matter) I'm not even convinced we need to expand, I'm simply saying that if we are going to expand, I think it's foolish to say that neither one has a shot, both are within the existing footprint and both bring their own advantages and disadvantages to the conference.

Yes, and you've made you point numerious times in LARGE FONTS!

Because the idea of adding New Mexico State...



It's a bad move for every member of this conference.

(09-23-2011 11:21 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 11:01 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:34 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I think it's laughable that you don't think either one of Georgia State or Georgia southern have a chance at being added to the Sun Belt. I think that both will be given consideration even without the Sun Belt being raided by CUSA, if we lose a few schools to CUSA, I would say the odds are high that at least one of them gets in.

NO WAY TO GEORGIA STATE or GEORGIA SOUTHERN!
I think it laughable that you continue to push FCS programs over existing FBS programs. If you love the Atlanta Market so much, then move there! Because neither of these programs can deliver the Atlanta Market nor do they have more value to the conference then FCS programs like UTSA or TSU.

First of all...I live 30 miles from Atlanta so...

Anyhow, I'm not pushing anyone, please show me where I've pushed either one of Georgia Southern or Georgia State(or anyone for that matter) I'm not even convinced we need to expand, I'm simply saying that if we are going to expand, I think it's foolish to say that neither one has a shot, both are within the existing footprint and both bring their own advantages and disadvantages to the conference.

Yes, and you've made you point numerious times in LARGE FONTS!

Because the idea of adding New Mexico State...



It's a bad move for every member of this conference.

Says you! When you look at from the teams in the western side of the Sun Belt Conference, a trip to New Mexico is the same as it is to Miami or very close. And MTSU making the same trip is no different then what you have done with Denver in the conference. No difference at all! No way do UNT, UL and Ark St go along with adding two more programs in the Eastern Time zone, especially FCS programs. Perhaps, just maybe in a last ditch effort to add several programs to the conference because of attrition I could see something like that happening. Don’t think for one minute just because you don’t believe New Mexico State helps the conference that they don’t have some support amongst a few of the college presidents. Up to this point, they haven’t shown more then a glancing interest, but that could change quickly.

(09-23-2011 03:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 11:21 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 11:01 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-23-2011 10:34 AM)CajunT Wrote:  NO WAY TO GEORGIA STATE or GEORGIA SOUTHERN!
I think it laughable that you continue to push FCS programs over existing FBS programs. If you love the Atlanta Market so much, then move there! Because neither of these programs can deliver the Atlanta Market nor do they have more value to the conference then FCS programs like UTSA or TSU.

First of all...I live 30 miles from Atlanta so...

Anyhow, I'm not pushing anyone, please show me where I've pushed either one of Georgia Southern or Georgia State(or anyone for that matter) I'm not even convinced we need to expand, I'm simply saying that if we are going to expand, I think it's foolish to say that neither one has a shot, both are within the existing footprint and both bring their own advantages and disadvantages to the conference.

Yes, and you've made you point numerious times in LARGE FONTS!

Because the idea of adding New Mexico State...



It's a bad move for every member of this conference.

Says you! When you look at from the teams in the western side of the Sun Belt Conference, a trip to New Mexico is the same as it is to Miami or very close. And MTSU making the same trip is no different then what you have done with Denver in the conference. No difference at all! No way do UNT, UL and Ark St go along with adding two more programs in the Eastern Time zone, especially FCS programs. Perhaps, just maybe in a last ditch effort to add several programs to the conference because of attrition I could see something like that happening. Don’t think for one minute just because you don’t believe New Mexico State helps the conference that they don’t have some support amongst a few of the college presidents. Up to this point, they haven’t shown more then a glancing interest, but that could change quickly.

But that's just it, you're adding another 1,000 mile trip and they'll be in your division. Adding schools to the east may not be ideal, but you wouldn't have a single 1,000 mile trip within your division. If we added to the to the east your division mates would be UNT, ASU, ULM, USA and Troy. How is that a bad thing? I'm actually in favor of adding one to the east and one to the west, if that was the case there would still only be three eastern time zone schools. In my detailed geographic breakdown I said the best geographic package is La Tech and Georgia State. That addition would actually shrink our footprint.

Again, taking New Mexico State's history out of the equation, your support for NMSU would be like me supporting Buffalo. That's how far out of footprint NMSU is and truth be told, Buffalo is actually closer to WKU, MT and ASU than NMSU is to you.

All of this arguing is dumb anyway, because I'm not even convinced we should be expanding, but if we're going to add anyone, New Mexico State shouldn't even be in discussion, they are just a bad candidate, they don't add much aside from thousands of miles of travel for every single member with the exception of UNT and they're still close to 700 miles from Denton.

If they come back, I sure hope Yemi "Bigfoot" Nicholson is gone by now