Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

It would be great to pick up PSU and Notre Dame. But I'm still in shock over our move so I don't know what to think.

It would be sweet to have PSU and ND join. I don't see that happening though. If the ACC continues on to 16 they will expand North, and truly by the Atlantic Coast Conference. They will have to act quick though, I'm sure the B1G is looking into adding Rutgers. The ACC might be stuck with only UConn as a viable expansion candidate. Because I doubt they would add a school like Temple.

I think the ACC has to continue to be proactive and go ahead and put the big east out of their misery and take UConn and Rutgers. That wraps up the eastern seaboard in a nice little package and I would think makes it more likely that everyone can start in their new leagues next year. The ACC can then sit back while the other leagues sort through things based on what we have already done, not the reverse. A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.

Word on the street is that they are moving to 16. UConn has contacted the ACC to be added.

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

As you know Hoquista, that is where I was convinced the ACC was truly heading back in 2003.

But once the BTN came about, that put a final nail to PSU leaving the Big Ten in my mind and with the new administration at ND, I believe they will still try to make a go of it as an indy.

So in reality, only the BiG can afford to wait on ND now.

Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

Cheers,
Neil

(09-18-2011 06:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

The Irish suddenly find themselves without a place for their non-football teams. I'm sure the ACC would be happy accommodating all Irish sports and inheriting the Irish network.

Simple give UT and ND one week to decide
Then add UConn and Rutgers

(09-18-2011 06:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

As you know Hoquista, that is where I was convinced the ACC was truly heading back in 2003.

But once the BTN came about, that put a final nail to PSU leaving the Big Ten in my mind and with the new administration at ND, I believe they will still try to make a go of it as an indy.

So in reality, only the BiG can afford to wait on ND now.

Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

Cheers,
Neil

I think the ACC is waiting on two things to happen first. The first is what Texas does tomorrow afternoon. The second is if the SEC invites WVU. If both of those things turn out to not have either available for the ACC they invite RU and UConn and be done with it. If Texas goes west (and by all accounts its shaping up to be that) but WVU isn't invited to the SEC but rather Mizzou is they can invite WVU and RU or WVU and UConn and really have the old Big East in the north. WVU would be an ideal for the ACC North by making it even more logical for Maryland to be there.

(09-18-2011 10:43 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 06:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

As you know Hoquista, that is where I was convinced the ACC was truly heading back in 2003.

But once the BTN came about, that put a final nail to PSU leaving the Big Ten in my mind and with the new administration at ND, I believe they will still try to make a go of it as an indy.

So in reality, only the BiG can afford to wait on ND now.

Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

Cheers,
Neil

I think the ACC is waiting on two things to happen first. The first is what Texas does tomorrow afternoon. The second is if the SEC invites WVU. If both of those things turn out to not have either available for the ACC they invite RU and UConn and be done with it. If Texas goes west (and by all accounts its shaping up to be that) but WVU isn't invited to the SEC but rather Mizzou is they can invite WVU and RU or WVU and UConn and really have the old Big East in the north. WVU would be an ideal for the ACC North by making it even more logical for Maryland to be there.

As much as I would love to have the Eers in the ACC with us, I think the ACC presidents have made it clear they won't go below where they currently are in terms of academics. So the Eers, like TTU, is out.

I think the reluctance to pull the trigger on UConn and RU is probably a last ditch effort to get ND in for all sports.

Cheers,
Neil

(09-18-2011 10:48 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 10:43 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 06:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

As you know Hoquista, that is where I was convinced the ACC was truly heading back in 2003.

But once the BTN came about, that put a final nail to PSU leaving the Big Ten in my mind and with the new administration at ND, I believe they will still try to make a go of it as an indy.

So in reality, only the BiG can afford to wait on ND now.

Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

Cheers,
Neil

I think the ACC is waiting on two things to happen first. The first is what Texas does tomorrow afternoon. The second is if the SEC invites WVU. If both of those things turn out to not have either available for the ACC they invite RU and UConn and be done with it. If Texas goes west (and by all accounts its shaping up to be that) but WVU isn't invited to the SEC but rather Mizzou is they can invite WVU and RU or WVU and UConn and really have the old Big East in the north. WVU would be an ideal for the ACC North by making it even more logical for Maryland to be there.

As much as I would love to have the Eers in the ACC with us, I think the ACC presidents have made it clear they won't go below where they currently are in terms of academics. So the Eers, like TTU, is out.

I think the reluctance to pull the trigger on UConn and RU is probably a last ditch effort to get ND in for all sports.

Cheers,
Neil

Definitely my thoughts. Maybe the ACC waits a few years before we expand to 16. But I don't see a rush.

(09-18-2011 06:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

As you know Hoquista, that is where I was convinced the ACC was truly heading back in 2003.

But once the BTN came about, that put a final nail to PSU leaving the Big Ten in my mind and with the new administration at ND, I believe they will still try to make a go of it as an indy.

So in reality, only the BiG can afford to wait on ND now.

Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

Cheers,
Neil

Indeed Neil. It was definitely a well thought out scenario you had. I hope it still can come to fruition but like you and others, I seriously doubt it happens.

I'm sure ND will be happy about the size of their checks in the Big 10 (whenever it happens) but it's the worst institutional fit for them.

Personally, I don't see the point in 14 or 16. Both of those would really screw up any rotation in football schedules.

(09-18-2011 06:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Should the ACC move to 16 immediately after negotiations with ND and/or UT breakdown or do they sit and let the pieces move on the chessboard (SEC expansion, etc)?

It's obvious that ND is serious in maintaining independence but what happens if the ACC goes to 16? That means that ND has to head to their nightmare scenario of joining the Big 10 with perhaps only PSU as eastern edge of the Big 10.

OTOH, while I don't believe that that Big 10 will expand with ND or UT, if they do indeed expand without them, they have the opportunity to take RU and UConn and along with PSU that is much greater than what the ACC has in the 'northeast'.

Of course, #15 and #16 would be simple if PSU would come to their senses and join the ACC with ND.

As you know Hoquista, that is where I was convinced the ACC was truly heading back in 2003.

But once the BTN came about, that put a final nail to PSU leaving the Big Ten in my mind and with the new administration at ND, I believe they will still try to make a go of it as an indy.

So in reality, only the BiG can afford to wait on ND now.

Surprised the ACC didn't pull the plug on UConn and RU though. Wonder if they are waiting for the SEC to take WVU?

Cheers,
Neil

The ACC had to be proactive in the face of being raided by the SEC. The way I see it, the SEC is looking at Florida State, Ga Tech and Clemson. With NC State and WVU as also possibilities. WVU is a longshot because it is outside of DIXIE. NC State is fourth because it is tied to UNC, Duke, and Wake.

With that addition and deletion the ACC would look like

North

Boston College
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech

South

Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest

If the ACC loses all three, then I expect West Virginia gets the invite.


South

Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
West Virginia

We will wait.
There is no football benefit to include Rutgers and UConn....none!
At this point the ACC or Big Ten can afford to wait longer than Notre Dame can last.