(09-20-2011 12:14 AM)stebo Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 11:57 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 10:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  You guys have short memories and a pessimistic attitude.

Ball State made it to #12 in the BCS after twelve games and blew it in the MAC title game.

Who has the short memory?

Undefeated Utah was six spots ahead of them, undefeated Boise was three spots ahead of them and two loss TCU was one spot ahead of them.

FIU will get the same treatment.

Hawaii's Sugar Bowl BCS Buster schedule, they beat zero top 25 teams, one auto bid team (a terrible Washington team), two terrible FCS opponents, a bunch of crappy WAC teams, and only 2 teams of their opponents even had winning records:

Record at time of game Opponent
4-9 Washington
10-2 Boise
5-5 Nevada
6-4 Fresno
4-5 NMSU
3-4 San Jose
0-6 Utah State
1-4 Idaho
1-3 Charleston Southern (FCS)
1-2 UNLV
1-1 La Tech
0-1 Northern Colorado (FCS)


You don't think that FIU, with wins against UCF, Louisville, and Duke would get consideration? It all will depend on how the others do - TCU lost to Baylor already... Boise looks good, they would have to slip up. If they can run the table, it is 100% a possibility.

I'm not saying there schedule wouldn't merit it, I'm saying no BCS bowl would want them. The New Orleans Bowl and GoDaddy.com bowl didn't want them, the only reason Little Caesar's took them is because they had to. It has nothing to do with whether or not they deserve consideration based on their on the field performance, it has to do with everything away from the field. It's not fair, but it's reality, much like how Boise will probably never see AQ status. I'm sorry but if you think FIU has any shot at a BCS bid this year, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Murfreesboro. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

To be honest, going to a BCS bowl might not even be a good thing for FIU at this juncture, they would take a bath on about 12,000 tickets and would be on national television in a major bowl game with maybe five thousand fans in attendance and they'd probably get blown out. I'm not saying that if the opportunity presented itself that they should pass, just saying that a BCS bid would expose a lot of problems they have as a program, but those problems are specifically what will preclude them from getting a bid.

(09-20-2011 12:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-20-2011 12:14 AM)stebo Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 11:57 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 10:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  You guys have short memories and a pessimistic attitude.

Ball State made it to #12 in the BCS after twelve games and blew it in the MAC title game.

Who has the short memory?

Undefeated Utah was six spots ahead of them, undefeated Boise was three spots ahead of them and two loss TCU was one spot ahead of them.

FIU will get the same treatment.

Hawaii's Sugar Bowl BCS Buster schedule, they beat zero top 25 teams, one auto bid team (a terrible Washington team), two terrible FCS opponents, a bunch of crappy WAC teams, and only 2 teams of their opponents even had winning records:

Record at time of game Opponent
4-9 Washington
10-2 Boise
5-5 Nevada
6-4 Fresno
4-5 NMSU
3-4 San Jose
0-6 Utah State
1-4 Idaho
1-3 Charleston Southern (FCS)
1-2 UNLV
1-1 La Tech
0-1 Northern Colorado (FCS)


You don't think that FIU, with wins against UCF, Louisville, and Duke would get consideration? It all will depend on how the others do - TCU lost to Baylor already... Boise looks good, they would have to slip up. If they can run the table, it is 100% a possibility.

I'm not saying there schedule wouldn't merit it, I'm saying no BCS bowl would want them. The New Orleans Bowl and GoDaddy.com bowl didn't want them, the only reason Little Caesar's took them is because they had to. It has nothing to do with whether or not they deserve consideration based on their on the field performance, it has to do with everything away from the field. It's not fair, but it's reality, much like how Boise will probably never see AQ status. I'm sorry but if you think FIU has any shot at a BCS bid this year, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Murfreesboro. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

To be honest, going to a BCS bowl might not even be a good thing for FIU at this juncture, they would take a bath on about 12,000 tickets and would be on national television in a major bowl game with maybe five thousand fans in attendance and they'd probably get blown out. I'm not saying that if the opportunity presented itself that they should pass, just saying that a BCS bid would expose a lot of problems they have as a program, but those problems are specifically what will preclude them from getting a bid.

Well, they might not want them - but the rule calls for an AUTO bid to any BCS school that finishes #12 or higher. If the Big East doesn't have a ranked team, they could be as low as #16 or higher. Do you think that Fiesta "wanted" Boise the first time they got the bid? Heck no! They thought that they had gotten the shaft. What about the Sugar Bowl - do you think that they "hoped" for Hawaii? Hawaii must have brought... oh, about 500 people to that game. People travel TO Hawaii, not the other way around.

We are all BCS schools now, we just do not have an AUTO bid to our conference champ. The bowls get a little say in who they invite but at the end of the day, one of them is STUCK with the non-auto bid school that is able to finish #12 or higher in the BCS rankings. The Bowls do not make the rankings so there is no way to "fix it" or "make sure they end up at #13" - the bowls were resistant to Boise, TCU, Utah, and Hawaii - but only Hawaii has really stunk up the spot for the non-auto bid schools. The rest have all done really well. I am going to guess that if some miracle were to happen and Boise loses a couple and TCU loses a couple and FIU runs the table - the Orange Bowl would be stuck with them. But we are in Week THREE... long season to go.

(09-20-2011 12:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm not saying there schedule wouldn't merit it, I'm saying no BCS bowl would want them.

That's only relevant if they are not 12 or better and not the highest rated conference non-AQ champion. Then they would be in the at-large pool. If you are 12 or better and the highest rated champion you are an AQ for the purposes of selection.

No one wanted UConn last year but there wasn't a choice in the matter. Nobody wanted Cincinnati in 2008 but there wasn't a choice in the matter so they were the last team selected out of the AQ pool. Boise was #12 but behind Utah in 2008 and got to go to San Diego.

(09-20-2011 07:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2011 12:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm not saying there schedule wouldn't merit it, I'm saying no BCS bowl would want them.

That's only relevant if they are not 12 or better and not the highest rated conference non-AQ champion. Then they would be in the at-large pool. If you are 12 or better and the highest rated champion you are an AQ for the purposes of selection.

No one wanted UConn last year but there wasn't a choice in the matter. Nobody wanted Cincinnati in 2008 but there wasn't a choice in the matter so they were the last team selected out of the AQ pool. Boise was #12 but behind Utah in 2008 and got to go to San Diego.

The BCS doesn't have to take more than one AQ school. FIU would have to get into the top 12 AND be ranked higher than the other non-AQ schools.

right now there are six unbeaten non-AQ schools. three play in the Mountain West and they have to play each other. Ohio plays at Rutgers this week.

The team to watch as a BCS buster is Houston. They're unbeaten and will be favored in most, if not all, of their games the rest of the year.

All that said, if FIU beats the Cajuns this weekend (and they should), I'll be rooting for them to run the table.

(09-20-2011 12:01 AM)stebo Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 11:00 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 10:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  You guys have short memories and a pessimistic attitude.

Ball State made it to #12 in the BCS after twelve games and blew it in the MAC title game. They started the season beating a bad I-AA Northeastern that would drop football a year later. They beat Navy the next week then Akron and then Indiana. They got an AQ win in week four. The rest of the schedule was MAC teams and a transitional WKU.

If FIU wins nine more it will include a second AQ win. Duke is dreadful but they beat Boston College and will be 2-2 coming in if they beat Tulane.

Yes, but the MAC doesn't carry the stigma we do, or at least not to the extent that we do.

The MAC has quantity - that is all. They are on TV a lot because they agree to play Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday games. They are more bowls because they beat each other up and have plenty of 6 win teams. But if you look at their actual bowl records, they went 2-2 last year (1-2 against Belt), 1-4 in 2009 with the 1 win against Troy in Overtime, 0-5 in 2008, 0-3 in 2007, 1-3 in 2006, etc, etc..

Quantity does not equal quality. That is 4-17 in the last 5 years for bowl games.

In the same time span, the Belt went 1-1 in 2006, 1-0 in 2007, 1-1 in 2008, 1-1 in 2009, and 2-1 in 2010. That is 6-4 record over the last 5 years. 2 of those losses by Troy were by 3 points and in OT. The other two losses were by 14 and 17 by the MUTS - but they were our 3rd place and 2nd place team for the respective years.

So you have to choose who you respect more.... a conference with a winning percentage of 19% or a conference with 60%... I will take less bowl games and higher quality results.

I agree but it doesn't change perception.

Well that was a fun topic for a week

Damn, sorry we eff'd up the Sunbelt BCS plans.

Z

(09-25-2011 09:51 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Damn, sorry we eff'd up the Sunbelt BCS plans.

Z

Seems like a number of people forget football games are played on the field, not in magazines or newspapers.

(09-25-2011 09:57 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-25-2011 09:51 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Damn, sorry we eff'd up the Sunbelt BCS plans.

Z

Seems like a number of people forget football games are played on the field, not in magazines or newspapers.

Message boards are for speculation T!! Thats what this thread was all about!!

I speculate we'll be talking about something different next week!

Z

It's called hype . . . and was nice for the Sun Belt to get some for a change. Perception isn't reality - but it sure helps things when it is in the league's favor for a change.