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RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast?
some say luck was bashing rutgers because he is trying to get wvu attractive enough to another conference while others think he is getting back at rutgers because they are holding back expansion/split. i think the truth is somewhere in the middle here.

also, i find it very interesting that he picked rutgers when seton hall's athletic department makes rutgers' look texas-esque in their profitability. if he was going to throw any member under the bus, seton hall would be the better target. makes me think that something rutgers did behind the scenes within the last year got into oliver luck's craw.

btw, i think that an ad going after another school's profitability is fair game seeing as how this information is public knowledge, but going after any school's coaches for off the field activities is out of bounds because that's personal stuff. should he have said it, probably not, but i'm not going to crucify him after he said it.
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RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast?
(09-05-2011 10:58 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 10:34 AM)Bull Wrote:  I actually heard these comments. I know Luck has a lot of fans on this board, but I thought his comments were pretty poor. To be honest, he was talking already when I tuned in, but I did not hear anything positive about his current conference, just immediately started going on and on about how WV would be attractive to the SEC, ACC, B10, etc etc. Heard the RU slam. Talked about how any new BE candidate should live up the the WV standard (paraphrasing) for 'history' and attendance, but it's not like Morgantown has pro baseball or football to complete with... Wants to pay athletes.

I hope I missed it, but I heard zero conference loyalty or positivity, at a time when the BE could become something special. What a great start we had this weekend, maybe could pick up some great B12 schools, huge TV deal coming... and he's got one foot out the door. Even talked about how the upcoming reallignment could be an 'every man for himself', and reflected it with his comments. Very poor, Oliver...

Not good to hear...this every man for himself attitude could very well mean the end of the BE. It's pathetic, all of these teams have a chance to create something special in a revamped BE but it will take loyalty to get there. If the BE plays its cards right they could add KU, Missouri, and the leftovers of the ACC (preferably Miami, Boston College, Maryland, NCSU/Clemson, and Georgia Tech) to form an amazing conference. We are talking about easily the best conference in basketball, a strong football super conference, and by far the largest footprint which could lead to a BETN not even rivaled by the PAC-12 network or the BTN. I can see a bright future for the BE, it is a shame many other fellow BE fans do not.

I don't think the "every man for himself" attitude is just a Big East thing...as it seems scores of other schools are doing just that (i.e. Colorado, Nebraska, TCU, Texas' $300 Million TV deal with ESPN, A&M wanting to leave the Big 12, etc...).

I'm sure double-talk (i.e. some AD's or Presidents telling other conf members how happy they are with the status quo while begging other conf Presidents/AD's to invite their program to their conf) is happening all over the place...but only a few AD's have admitted doing such (i.e. WVU, SMU, A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, etc...).
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RE: WVU Oliver Luck bashing Rutgers on national radio broadcast?
(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting

I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:

"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."

Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.

The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.

Did Luck mention WVU's below average academics or lack of BE championships among all sports? Did he mention WVU's tiny TV markets?

Yeah I can see B1G, SEC and ACC would be all over that 01-wingedeagle

I am no fan of RU in anything. I think they are definitely a program with that loser mentality. However, going on air touting WVU while bashing a fellow conference member is just bad media practice.

If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.

So you will be glad when the below average academuic institution is out of your back yard. If the truth be known, WVU has never really been fully embraced by those at UConn or Syracuse, for that matter.
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When a Rutgers fan on this board chimes in, I might listen. But as long as all the complaints are coming from UC, UofL, and UConn fans, I'm not going to pay it any attention...
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(09-05-2011 01:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  When a Rutgers fan on this board chimes in, I might listen. But as long as all the complaints are coming from UC, UofL, and UConn fans, I'm not going to pay it any attention...

Seriously.

There's a lot of outrage over anything Oliver Luck says or does around these parts lately.

I take that as a positive.
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(09-05-2011 12:54 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  So you will be glad when the below average academuic institution is out of your back yard. If the truth be known, WVU has never really been fully embraced by those at UConn or Syracuse, for that matter.

So very true. Certain schools have no problem riding WVU's coattails and success when it comes to football and helping keep the BE alive, and yet they still hold their nose over WVU. It's hilarious.
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(09-05-2011 10:08 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 07:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  He wasn't airing out anything that wasn't already known. You were the one to point out that Rutgers lost more money than any other Division 1 football program, and you didn't get that from his speech...

Doesn't matter... saying it on a national broadcast makes it a political manuever by him. You don't see anyone in the ACC making negative statements about UNC or Miami. It is just in very poor taste, bit. Like I said before, that reflects bad on Luck and, considering he will be running into the same people over and over in his profession, may not have been a wise professional move.

I think you guys are getting carried waway on this "national radio broadcast" bit. He was actually speaking on the Mountaineer Sports Network. that is not a "national radio broadcast". It IS picked up on sirius so IF you have a sirius radio and choose to tune in to the WVU channel, you can hear it. He did not make said comments on ESPN, for example which IS a "national" broadcast.

If you have followed Luck and his appearance on WV and WVU outlets, he is a lot more candid than most ADs. he simply believes WVU fans deserve to know what is going on as much as possible. Other ADs take a different tack with their fans. Not commenting on which is the correct way to be, but you can bet WVU fans appreciate the info. he is almost the exact opposite of his predecessor, BTW.

But he did NOT go on a "national broadcast" to "blast" a fellow conference member in the sense a few of you on here are trying to "spin" it..
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(09-05-2011 10:14 AM)Ottoman Wrote:  Luck may also be frustrated with the way things are going in the BE. There was a gag order on Luck coming out of Providence and now with B12 schools maybe available, Luck has a vision and Marinatto may have a different vision. I'd good money that Luck's vision is better than Marinatto's. But the SEC won't consider Rutgers and the B10 Wont' consider WVU-- so what's the comparison?

Bingo!
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(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting

I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:

"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."

Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.

The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.

Did Luck mention WVU's below average academics or lack of BE championships among all sports? Did he mention WVU's tiny TV markets?

Yeah I can see B1G, SEC and ACC would be all over that 01-wingedeagle

I am no fan of RU in anything. I think they are definitely a program with that loser mentality. However, going on air touting WVU while bashing a fellow conference member is just bad media practice.

If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.

This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????
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This stuff about Rutgers losing so much money is actually a bunch of hooey and applesauce. Yes Rutgers lost money last year. A) Because they are paying off stadium expansion. This is $10 Million a year alone. B) Because you are counting student fee money in the money lost section when the AD accounts for this money before the season as part of the operating budget. C) Rutgers has the most sports teams of any school in the Big East. If you factor all of these in, the real losses by the Athletic Department are in the $5-7 Million range. Not great, but money that can be accounted for by the fact that we have to spend to keep up with other BCS teams but are significantly behind them in TV revenues.
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(09-05-2011 01:19 PM)juveeer Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.
This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????
Arguing with SF Husky about UConn is a waste of time, effort, and thought. He's oblivious to the truth, if it doesn't fit his perception. His perception is that UConn is the greatest school on the face of the Earth, and the rest of the NCAA exists merely to give them a platform for the greatness that is UConn...

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(09-05-2011 01:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 01:19 PM)juveeer Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.
This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????
Arguing with SF Husky about UConn is a waste of time, effort, and thought. He's oblivious to the truth, if it doesn't fit his perception. His perception is that UConn is the greatest school on the face of the Earth, and the rest of the NCAA exists merely to give them a platform for the greatness that is UConn...

UConn is God, don't you know? 07-coffee3

Seems that way.
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(09-05-2011 02:30 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  I don't want to live in a world where mocking Rutgers is frowned upon.
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(09-05-2011 09:36 AM)L-yes Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 05:52 AM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  I heard it those negative comments by oliver luck..i could not believe or understand why he did that. he definitely said rutgers name in reference to losing money every year..i heard him say on sirius satellite radio yesterday during the rain delay.

If he's openly ripping Rutters I think it's safe to say there is a political divide in the league. I'm assuming Rutgers is ok with the hybrid status quo and WVU is not.

Actually its been WVU, Pitt and Rutgers leading the charge to get out of the hybrid or at least expand to 12 football schools. Why he decided to bring this up I don't know and IMO was probably not the smartest move to throw one of your biggest allies at present (and one of your biggest athletic partners historically) under the bus even if its true that our athletic department is in dire straits financially. The State is in bad financial shape for two reasons and its not higher education subsidies either. The first is the 561 municipalities we have in this state coupled with the dual-system of local government with the counties. Either move towards county provided services with the municipalities becoming nothing more than zip codes/CDPs and community boards. That's what I'd like to do. Or start forcing at least some municipal consolidation and shared services.
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Oh and By the way, What is so attractive about West Virginia to any prospective conference? They are a tiny tv market, the academic ranking is among the worst in the Big East conference,the entire state is a national punchline ( don't shoot the messenger) and they have two coaches that have had highly publicized runs in with the law that involved public drunkeness and driving under the influence. So Oliver, next time you throw stones just dont do it from a glass house.[/i]
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How many of you actually heard what Oliver Luck said, and how many of you are making up your minds without a clue as to exactly what was said?

I'll bet the vast majority are in the latter category. Any takers?
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(09-05-2011 01:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Arguing with SF Husky about UConn is a waste of time, effort, and thought. He's oblivious to the truth, if it doesn't fit his perception. His perception is that UConn is the greatest school on the face of the Earth, and the rest of the NCAA exists merely to give them a platform for the greatness that is UConn...

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Says the guy with the most obvious God complex on the board and also the guy who literally never shuts up about WVU.
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(09-05-2011 03:14 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  Oh and By the way, What is so attractive about West Virginia to any prospective conference? They are a tiny tv market, the academic ranking is among the worst in the Big East conference,the entire state is a national punchline ( don't shoot the messenger) and they have two coaches that have had highly publicized runs in with the law that involved public drunkeness and driving under the influence. So Oliver, next time you throw stones just dont do it from a glass house.[/i]

Dayum. I sense some bitterness towards WVU.

I wonder why?

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(09-05-2011 01:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 01:19 PM)juveeer Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.
This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????
Arguing with SF Husky about UConn is a waste of time, effort, and thought. He's oblivious to the truth, if it doesn't fit his perception. His perception is that UConn is the greatest school on the face of the Earth, and the rest of the NCAA exists merely to give them a platform for the greatness that is UConn...

UConn is God, don't you know? 07-coffee3

Says the biggest WVU homer on this board. Pot calling the kettle black? If you gonna call me out, try look into the mirror first.
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