(09-05-2011 03:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How many of you actually heard what Oliver Luck said, and how many of you are making up your minds without a clue as to exactly what was said?

I'll bet the vast majority are in the latter category. Any takers?

And this is why I haven't said anything. I didn't hear what he said and I don't know what the context was. On face value, I can't argue with the fact that the athletic department spent way more than it took in, though as stated above, a big chunk of that was paying down the stadium expansion, and will continue to be for years. Over time I haven't seen Luck as doing anything other than protecting and promoting his employer, something that a good AD should do.

Husky, I can take it to the bank that you didn't read the post above mine...

(09-05-2011 01:19 PM)juveeer Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting

I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:

"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."

Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.

The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.

Did Luck mention WVU's below average academics or lack of BE championships among all sports? Did he mention WVU's tiny TV markets?

Yeah I can see B1G, SEC and ACC would be all over that

I am no fan of RU in anything. I think they are definitely a program with that loser mentality. However, going on air touting WVU while bashing a fellow conference member is just bad media practice.

If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.

This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????

You obviously don't know anything about athletics or UCONN. Let's review with some facts, shall we?

First, I got news for you. Athletic programs are more than just football. Since the formation of the new BE, UCONN has won 44 championships in all the sports while WVU has what? 14? UL is the only program who has more in 48. I would say 44 championships is far greater than 14.

This past year was the first year WVU has surpassed UCONN in overall revenue and that's one of the MAIN reason our recent AD was fired. In all the years past, UCONN has led the BE in overall revenue. UL has since taken the lead with their new facilities but UCONN is not standing around either.

Those are the reasons why I think UCONN has one of the best athletic programs in the BE. What are you basing yours on?

No one is arguing WVU has been great in football. However, no program is greater than the conference itself. I find it laughable Luck keep touting WVU would be competitive in the SEC. I guess being the next MSU in the SEC is the goal than that's being competitive. WVU is looking good in football because BE gave the WVU the platform to be good. It works both ways. In the SEC, WVU just be another body to fill the schedule and nothing more. WVU is not Texas to the B12 ot USC to the PAC-12. Certainly losing WVU would be a blow to BE football, but BE will survive as long as CUSE and UCONN hold the Northeast corridor.

My finally point is Luck is a hack. He lacks proper training for the media. Being in a conference means being a good partner and this guy is more like a renegade. The guy just needs to keep his mouth shut for the most part.

(09-05-2011 02:30 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  I don't want to live in a world where mocking Rutgers is frowned upon.

Spoken like a true Syracuse fan

(09-05-2011 04:21 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 01:19 PM)juveeer Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting

I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:

"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."

Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.

The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.

Did Luck mention WVU's below average academics or lack of BE championships among all sports? Did he mention WVU's tiny TV markets?

Yeah I can see B1G, SEC and ACC would be all over that

I am no fan of RU in anything. I think they are definitely a program with that loser mentality. However, going on air touting WVU while bashing a fellow conference member is just bad media practice.

If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.

This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????

You obviously don't know anything about athletics or UCONN. Let's review with some facts, shall we?

First, I got news for you. Athletic programs are more than just football. Since the formation of the new BE, UCONN has won 44 championships in all the sports while WVU has what? 14? UL is the only program who has more in 48. I would say 44 championships is far greater than 14.

This past year was the first year WVU has surpassed UCONN in overall revenue and that's one of the MAIN reason our recent AD was fired. In all the years past, UCONN has led the BE in overall revenue. UL has since taken the lead with their new facilities but UCONN is not standing around either.

Those are the reasons why I think UCONN has one of the best athletic programs in the BE. What are you basing yours on?

No one is arguing WVU has been great in football. However, no program is greater than the conference itself. I find it laughable Luck keep touting WVU would be competitive in the SEC. I guess being the next MSU in the SEC is the goal than that's being competitive. WVU is looking good in football because BE gave the WVU the platform to be good. It works both ways. In the SEC, WVU just be another body to fill the schedule and nothing more. WVU is not Texas to the B12 ot USC to the PAC-12. Certainly losing WVU would be a blow to BE football, but BE will survive as long as CUSE and UCONN hold the Northeast corridor.

My finally point is Luck is a hack. He lacks proper training for the media. Being in a conference means being a good partner and this guy is more like a renegade. The guys just needs to keep his mouth shut for the most part.

WVU was on the national scene before it was allowed in as a member of the BE in football.

Okay, enough with the p!ss!ng contest...

(09-05-2011 01:06 PM)juveeer Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 10:08 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 07:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  He wasn't airing out anything that wasn't already known. You were the one to point out that Rutgers lost more money than any other Division 1 football program, and you didn't get that from his speech...

Doesn't matter... saying it on a national broadcast makes it a political manuever by him. You don't see anyone in the ACC making negative statements about UNC or Miami. It is just in very poor taste, bit. Like I said before, that reflects bad on Luck and, considering he will be running into the same people over and over in his profession, may not have been a wise professional move.

I think you guys are getting carried waway on this "national radio broadcast" bit. He was actually speaking on the Mountaineer Sports Network. that is not a "national radio broadcast". It IS picked up on sirius so IF you have a sirius radio and choose to tune in to the WVU channel, you can hear it. He did not make said comments on ESPN, for example which IS a "national" broadcast.

If you have followed Luck and his appearance on WV and WVU outlets, he is a lot more candid than most ADs. he simply believes WVU fans deserve to know what is going on as much as possible. Other ADs take a different tack with their fans. Not commenting on which is the correct way to be, but you can bet WVU fans appreciate the info. he is almost the exact opposite of his predecessor, BTW.

But he did NOT go on a "national broadcast" to "blast" a fellow conference member in the sense a few of you on here are trying to "spin" it..

Huh? I heard it in Texas. So IF I get sirus and hear it in texas (on the ESPN college station) it is not national, but IF I get cable with ESPN and hear it it's national?

That's enough! Husky, please don't compound the issue. I've asked twice for this to end...

So... as I usually do, since I live in Big 10 country I bounced the story off them for their reaction. They were all pretty much in agreement with the anti-Luck people here. You don't bash other schools, especially not conference mates. They all agreed that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East if their AD is going to say something along the lines of what he said last night.

So... if that wasn't Luck's intention, then it isn't just people in the Big East who have a large misunderstanding as to what he is doing.

(09-05-2011 07:46 PM)mlb Wrote:  So... as I usually do, since I live in Big 10 country I bounced the story off them for their reaction. They were all pretty much in agreement with the anti-Luck people here. You don't bash other schools, especially not conference mates. They all agreed that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East if their AD is going to say something along the lines of what he said last night.

So... if that wasn't Luck's intention, then it isn't just people in the Big East who have a large misunderstanding as to what he is doing.

I don't think it's really a newsflash that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East.

Which all goes back to the loyalty and pride questions... Bottom line, even if you want to bail there is a classy way to go about it. This was the opposite...

(09-05-2011 07:50 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I don't think it's really a newsflash that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East.

I guess I've been under the assumption that it was all BS. Maybe I'm naive to think they'd be idiots to leave for any legitimate conference offer they have (ACC, SEC, Big 12) outside of the SEC. If WVU wants in the ACC, go for it. You would deserve everything you get.

BTW, I'm betting that Huggins would be 100% anti-ACC. I know basketball doesn't matter in all of this, but I do wonder if that would change how long he continues to coach if he moves into the pretty boy conference.

It's not news at all, crazed. WVU has been looking for an all-conference home since the 1940s...

(09-05-2011 08:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 07:50 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I don't think it's really a newsflash that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East.

I guess I've been under the assumption that it was all BS. Maybe I'm naive to think they'd be idiots to leave for any legitimate conference offer they have (ACC, SEC, Big 12) outside of the SEC. If WVU wants in the ACC, go for it. You would deserve everything you get.

BTW, I'm betting that Huggins would be 100% anti-ACC. I know basketball doesn't matter in all of this, but I do wonder if that would change how long he continues to coach if he moves into the pretty boy conference.

Huggs will continue to play Huggins ball, no matter what conference he's in. I just wonder how Duke and UNC will like playing basketbrawl with WVU...

Feel free to bash away at each other here

Jackson

(09-05-2011 08:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's not news at all, crazed. WVU has been looking for an all-conference home since the 1940s...

(09-05-2011 08:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 07:50 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I don't think it's really a newsflash that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East.

I guess I've been under the assumption that it was all BS. Maybe I'm naive to think they'd be idiots to leave for any legitimate conference offer they have (ACC, SEC, Big 12) outside of the SEC. If WVU wants in the ACC, go for it. You would deserve everything you get.

BTW, I'm betting that Huggins would be 100% anti-ACC. I know basketball doesn't matter in all of this, but I do wonder if that would change how long he continues to coach if he moves into the pretty boy conference.

Huggs will continue to play Huggins ball, no matter what conference he's in. I just wonder how Duke and UNC will like playing basketbrawl with WVU...

If a schools leader is publicly politicing to get out of the BE, just leave. Go Indy or something. Dont tear down the league you are presently in. Luck is starting to look like that idiot leader out in Missouri trying to get into the Big 10. The BE doesnt need people like this in our league. You want out, just leave.

(09-05-2011 08:33 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 08:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's not news at all, crazed. WVU has been looking for an all-conference home since the 1940s...

(09-05-2011 08:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 07:50 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I don't think it's really a newsflash that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East.

I guess I've been under the assumption that it was all BS. Maybe I'm naive to think they'd be idiots to leave for any legitimate conference offer they have (ACC, SEC, Big 12) outside of the SEC. If WVU wants in the ACC, go for it. You would deserve everything you get.

BTW, I'm betting that Huggins would be 100% anti-ACC. I know basketball doesn't matter in all of this, but I do wonder if that would change how long he continues to coach if he moves into the pretty boy conference.

Huggs will continue to play Huggins ball, no matter what conference he's in. I just wonder how Duke and UNC will like playing basketbrawl with WVU...

If a schools leader is publicly politicing to get out of the BE, just leave. Go Indy or something. Dont tear down the league you are presently in. Luck is starting to look like that idiot leader out in Missouri trying to get into the Big 10. The BE doesnt need people like this in our league. You want out, just leave.

As I have stated over and over, no team is bigger than the BE conference. If WVU wants to leave, then leave right now vs. bit*hing. Luck is just better luck for the BE. If WVU wants to leave the BE so they can be the 5th team on SEC's radar or the next MSU, so be it.

BE is perfect fit for UCONN. I like being in a conference with schools with similar resources we can compete with. I also feel if SU and UCONN stay in the BE, there will be a BE.

If WVU wants to leave, go be indy and leave the conference. I am sure other conference members will help them pack too.

(09-05-2011 01:19 PM)juveeer Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 11:45 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 11:21 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 10:49 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck didn't say anything about RU that wasn't true. His take on the 16 team leagues forming was very interesting

I don't really have a dog in this race, but put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if Rutgers AD said something alone these lines when talking about Rutgers joining another conference:

"Unlike at WVU which hires coaches with known alcohol issues, we only hire coaches that can serve as good leaders to the young men and women of our university."

Now, the AD wouldn't be saying anything that wasn't true. Both Huggins and Holgorsen have very well documents alcohol problems. Would you be offended as a WVU fans? How do you think the WVU message boards would respond? Would you consider the statements to be both unprofessional and disrespectful towards WVU, especially since it was coming from an AD of a fellow conference member (even though there wasn't anything false about what he said)? I would think such a statement would be unprofessional and disrespectful to a fellow conference member and I'm not even a WVU fan.

The point is I don't see any problem with Luck wanting to pimp WVU and its merits. However, I do think it is unprofessional, disrespectful ,and unwise to do it in a way that casts a negative shadow on a fellow conference member.

Did Luck mention WVU's below average academics or lack of BE championships among all sports? Did he mention WVU's tiny TV markets?

Yeah I can see B1G, SEC and ACC would be all over that

I am no fan of RU in anything. I think they are definitely a program with that loser mentality. However, going on air touting WVU while bashing a fellow conference member is just bad media practice.

If you want to see the best run athletic departments in the BE, look no further than UL and UCONN.

This is just hilarious.

UL I can buy, but UConn???? Didn't they just have to fire their AD? Come on, man, UConn is scandal city. And they have been playing DI football for how long now?

And, at the end of the day, tv RATINGS trump "markets". WVU does quite well with those in both major sports. UConn does well with hoops, but Football????

Too many text messages in one sport = scandal city? Well, we have to disagree.

(09-05-2011 07:46 PM)mlb Wrote:  So... as I usually do, since I live in Big 10 country I bounced the story off them for their reaction. They were all pretty much in agreement with the anti-Luck people here. You don't bash other schools, especially not conference mates. They all agreed that WVU is looking to get out of the Big East if their AD is going to say something along the lines of what he said last night.

So... if that wasn't Luck's intention, then it isn't just people in the Big East who have a large misunderstanding as to what he is doing.

How in the world did this thread end up on a smack board?

This was a HOT topic, especially now with WVU names popping up more and more in the SEC wish list.

Its not often, probably even rare when one conf member AD talks "down" another conf member and the problems and most likely a riff between certain schools could arise...but I guess thats not consider news anymore.