(09-05-2011 05:16 PM)OZoner Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 02:46 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  I think Solich would have to be at the top as he has 100 career wins between Nebraska and Ohio plus taken Ohio to 3 bowls and 2 MAC title games.

3 bowl games and 2 MAC title games? You're right, that's pretty good. Because he's the best, I'm sure his teams have brought it in the postseason. Let me look...

Oh. They're 0-5 with an average margin of defeat of 16.7 points.

Here is the question: Who is the best coach in the MAC?

Its not who is the most perfect coach in the world.

Even looking at 3 bowls and 2 division titles compare that with any other MAC program since 2005.

CMU (4 bowls, 3 division titles)
NIU (4 bowls, 2 division titles)
Ohio (3 bowls, 2 division titles)
Miami (3 bowls, 2 division titles)

Ball State (2 bowls, 1 division title)
Toledo (2 bowls, 0 division titles)
BGSU (2 bowls, 0 division titles)
WMU (2 bowls, 0 division titles)

Akron (1 bowl, 1 division title)
Buffalo (1 bowl, 1 division title)
Temple (1 bowl, 0 division titles)
EMU (0 bowls, 0 division titles)
Kent (0 bowls, 0 division titles)


Not even talking about the coach here, you can't even put the total accomplishments earned at most MAC schools since 2005 against what Ohio has done. No matter how talented Addazio is he simply couldn't be considered better than Solich, neither he or Temple has done anything.

Looking further at the top group of performers, Solich has a 5-1 record against Miami. There is no arguing that Solich isn't the top coach in the MAC East.

In the MAC West that is a different story. CMU has a 4-0 record against Solich and Toledo is 3-0. Northern Illinois is 0-2 against the Bobcats.

From the standpoint of overall performance, Ohio has been #2 in the MAC since 2005 behind CMU. CMU though now is coached by Enos and thus far hasn't looked very good.

Solich is the King of the MAC East and most accomplished HC in the MAC. I'm not sure if he's the most talented of the current coaches in the MAC though. That is all together a different question. Ohio was at the bottom of the MAC for 4 decades prior to Solich which makes what he's done all the more impressive.

From 1983 to 2004 Ohio was 69-170 (.294 winning)

From 2005 to current Ohio is 41-36 (.532 winning)

He hasn't done an outstanding job, but he's been very solid against the FBS track record at Ohio.

TLDR, but when you list division titles and not conference championships its obvious you're cherry picking data points.

Active FBS coaches with the most wins:

1. Joe Paterno 401
2. Frank Beamer 240
3. Mack Brown 219
4. Steve Spurrier 186
5. Dennis Erickson 173
6. Howard Schnellenberger 157
7. Gary Pinkle 150
8. Bill Snyder 150
9. Nick Saban 134
10. Bob Stoops 130
11. Patt Hill 108
12. Paul Pasqualoni 107
13. Houston Nutt 102
14. Tom O'Brien 101
15. Frank Solich 100

100 wins as an FBS coach for Frank Solich is a pretty significant milestone and more wins than all of the other MAC coaches combined (total 79 through this week).

Al Golden of course!!

(09-05-2011 10:07 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Solich is the King of the MAC East and most accomplished HC in the MAC. I'm not sure if he's the most talented of the current coaches in the MAC though. That is all together a different question. Ohio was at the bottom of the MAC for 4 decades prior to Solich which makes what he's done all the more impressive.

From 1983 to 2004 Ohio was 69-170 (.294 winning)

From 2005 to current Ohio is 41-36 (.532 winning)

He hasn't done an outstanding job, but he's been very solid against the FBS track record at Ohio.

Did you really compare 22 years to 6 years? Thats just dumb.

Solich is the Dambrot of MAC football. Every year lots of openings and yet you never hear either name come up.

It's pretty tough to compare coaches in different divisions of the same league.

Solich is 41 - 36 - 0 overall including the first game of this season.
Cubit is 40 -34 - 0 overall including the first game of this season.

They are 1-1 head to head. I tried to look at how each of them has done against the opposite division but my memory fails me regarding BG. Didn't BG switch divisions and then go back later to the east? What years?

In any case, Solich comes out hovering right around .500 vs the west.
Cubit is 16 - 3 vs the east.

What does it mean or suggest? Perhaps Solich does best against those teams he knows best - the east. Cubit does relatively better against the east teams but those who know him best can get the best of him (like CMu). Those who don't regularly face his aerial circus are rarely prepared for it.

Very tough to evaluate coaches unless all you care about is wins-losses, championship game appearances and wins, and bowl games and wins. Solich does have an edge there but hasn't won yet.

Louis K - are you now claiming Frank's Nebraska wins for Frank at Ohio? He was good there but few good coaches couldn't have done that with the talent there.

(09-06-2011 01:33 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  What does it mean or suggest?

(09-05-2011 11:08 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Active FBS coaches with the most wins:

1. Joe Paterno 401
2. Frank Beamer 240
3. Mack Brown 219
4. Steve Spurrier 186
5. Dennis Erickson 173
6. Howard Schnellenberger 157
7. Gary Pinkle 150
8. Bill Snyder 150
9. Nick Saban 134
10. Bob Stoops 130
11. Patt Hill 108
12. Paul Pasqualoni 107
13. Houston Nutt 102
14. Tom O'Brien 101
15. Frank Solich 100

100 wins as an FBS coach for Frank Solich is a pretty significant milestone and more wins than all of the other MAC coaches combined (total 79 through this week).

Well, naturally, because all the good MAC coaches get jobs elsewhere before very long. The MAC is like a farm team for coaches.

I must say, this sounds like a debate on who is the world's tallest midget.

Just curious - how many of Pinkel's 150 wins were garnered while he was at Toledo?

(09-07-2011 08:35 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Just curious - how many of Pinkel's 150 wins were garnered while he was at Toledo?

Gary Pinkel had 73 wins while he was at Toledo.