Maryland was considered for the new conference, and were willing to come onboard with BC, Penn State, Pitt, Syracuse, Temple, and WVU, all of who they had played fairly consistently at one point...

(08-20-2011 01:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Maryland was considered for the new conference, and were willing to come onboard with BC, Penn State, Pitt, Syracuse, Temple, and WVU, all of who they had played fairly consistently at one point...

I have heard that before...Bit I would love it if you could find some of those old articles. I love reading about old conference alliances and proposals.

As for Cuse...I agree that they want the BB schools around.

(08-19-2011 12:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-19-2011 09:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Unlike most of the rest of you, I understand the motivation behind a move to the ACC, or any other all-sports conference. Some schools want to be members of an all-sports conference, which we don't have at present. As long as that's the case The BEast is in an unstable state,

Even though all 8 teas have had plenty of chances to form their own "all sorts conference" yet chose not to. Even thought eh Big XII is an all sports conference on the brink of collpase, with the ACC just an SEC whim away from joining. The hybrid format is not what is hruting the BE, no matter how many times fans want to say it. It is actually what kept it afloat.

Other conferences all have what we call football flagships, and are full of state based flagships that bring a state full of fans. The Big East only has 2 state flagship programs, and no what we would call traditional football flagships. the partneship with the non-football schools, and some of the assets they bring, combines with what the fb teams bring, is what has kept the Big East as a BCS caliber confernce and from bot being a MWC or old C-USA like conference. Markets and basketball do not mean everything, but they can help offset your flaws, and keep you as a valuable TV property. and we will fidn out how valuable in about 12 months.

Let be very, very honest, when we lost three football playing members we didn’t respond by just replace them with three new football playing members but also added to it two basketball-only members not because we need more basketball or that we really, really need new markets but with the intention that all-sport group and basketball-only group can part way in peace.

It’s the national name brand from football playing member and the BCS label gave value to this current hybrid not the number of our basketball or size of the markets. The BCS label is exclusively earned by football playing members met the standard requirement and most happen to be physically in the northeast. I can’t believe you even suggest basketball-only members have ANYTHING to do us keeping BCS.

(08-20-2011 06:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-20-2011 01:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Maryland was considered for the new conference, and were willing to come onboard with BC, Penn State, Pitt, Syracuse, Temple, and WVU, all of who they had played fairly consistently at one point...

I have heard that before...Bit I would love it if you could find some of those old articles. I love reading about old conference alliances and proposals.

As for Cuse...I agree that they want the BB schools around.

When I go back up to WV in November I'll look into the WV archives, where my mother donated all the old man's sports articles and memorabilia. If my memory serves me correctly the first attempt was sometime in the early 1960s. If I find the relevant articles, I'll update everyone...

As for 'cuse, I've known all along they value their basketball rivalries. You don't get 20-30K attending basketball games if you don't. But it makes it hard to create something lasting in football if you don't have football as the first priority, and it makes Syracuse work against the football interests at times - especially when it threatens the continuation of some of those BB rivalries...

So with all the problems the ACC is having Miami and UNC will be on some type of probation. If the SEC takes AM they will more probably take an ACC team (VTech would be their main target).

If that happens ACC football is in major trouble. I know we have been talking about adding BC, Maryland and Kansas, but Im thinking that if the Big East was really interested in shoring up football the three they should go after should be
1. Florida State
2. Clemson
3. Maryland

You add those three and the Big East is stronger in football and the ACC will be basically the NC schools and would not be a football factor

Agreed.

Not sure FSU has ever had an interest in playing multiple games in the North. It'd be nice if they moved to the BE, but not sure that's in the cards.

Jackson

(08-21-2011 02:37 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Not sure FSU has ever had an interest in playing multiple games in the North. It'd be nice if they moved to the BE, but not sure that's in the cards.

Jackson

If VTech leaves for SEC and Miami and UNC are on probation for awhile then the Big East might convince FSU to come on over specially with Clemson and Maryland coming over.
South:
FSU, USF, TCU, Clemson, Louisville, Cinncinati
North
West Virginia, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse

Thaqt would be a pretty good football league

I have always promoted Clemson to the Big East. Their fans hate the ACC, especially Swofford. If Swofford doesn't add on to UNC's punishment like he and a Duke AD helped add to Clemson's back in the mid-80's, I'd imagine their athletic department. would be really ticked off.

Kansas, Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State, Missouri, and Maryland would all be great adds. Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Houston would also be solid.

If we could get those 3 that would be awesome. If you put Florida State in a division where they will be playing against teams from Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Texas and Ohio that could work for them I'd bet. Hell if the march to superconferences is on invite ECU and Georgia Tech as well. Make the South Division TCU, FSU, Georgia Tech, ECU, Louisville, Clemson, USF and make the North Division Maryland, Cincy, Rutgers, Cuse, UConn, Pitt, WVU. Make Louisville-Cincy, Maryland-Clemson and WVU-FSU protected rivalries for sure. That would give FSU a plenty southern flavored division to play in.

If it's going to be a Super Conference then it will more than likely be a 14 or 16 team field.

Fill in the blank _________ Conference

Division One: NorthEast

West Virginia, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse, ECU, Cincinnati ( Some would like to see BC, but others I am sure would rather see them agonize amongst the ACC before being included )


Division Two: SouthWest

Louisville, Florida State, TCU, South Florida, Clemson, Kansas, Missouri ( Also if Kansas is tied to KSU, and for what ever reason can not shake them I guess Memphis could be looked at for this spot )

This IMO would be a true Super Conference of proportion with really good football as well as hoops for there should be no problem selling this to the networks and getting a mega deal similar to what the Pac 12 just received.

Love the additions of KU and Missouri.

I wish Card fans would quit bringing up Memphis. It makes me wish I had the power to reach through the monitor to slap 'em...

(08-23-2011 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wish Card fans would quit bringing up Memphis. It makes me wish I had the power to reach through the monitor to slap 'em...

LOL, I feel the same way about Memphis. There has to be alot of bad things that will happen to the BE to create a scenario where Memphis is invited to this league.

The only way I see Memphis getting an invite is if all the old eastern indies leave The BEast...

(08-23-2011 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wish Card fans would quit bringing up Memphis. It makes me wish I had the power to reach through the monitor to slap 'em...

Bit, only include "Some" Card fans...I would rather see Temple then Memphis...they bring absolutely nothing to the table but some in our fanbase are somewhat blinded by them.

Please smack 'em for me then, Maize. I'd appreciate it...

(08-23-2011 11:16 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wish Card fans would quit bringing up Memphis. It makes me wish I had the power to reach through the monitor to slap 'em...

Bit, only include "Some" Card fans...I would rather see Temple then Memphis...they bring absolutely nothing to the table but some in our fanbase are somewhat blinded by them.

Not completely true, just not enough; but I will not peddle Memphis. If the choice is between Memphis and Temple this league is in TROUBLE, long term.

The BE should be proactive and raid the ACC IMHO. Who knows what in the heck the discussions are that are going on behind closed doors, maybe just that.

I do know, if things start moving fast it will be each one for itself - conference affiliations will not matter to anyone in the ACC or the BE -PERIOD.

(08-23-2011 08:42 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wish Card fans would quit bringing up Memphis. It makes me wish I had the power to reach through the monitor to slap 'em...

LOL, I feel the same way about Memphis. There has to be alot of bad things that will happen to the BE to create a scenario where Memphis is invited to this league.

Guys don't blow a gasket on this one for the only reason I mentioned them was for their basketball not football for they suck ass in that department for there is no hope what so ever no matter who comes calling with a BCS invite, and it's a geographical thing with them being some what close proximity with Missouri is basically why I mentioned them. So chill out a little bit for I hope the the Big East doesn't become a second calling to CUSA for the only team I want from them is ECU, and not Memphis or UCF or even Houston.

When discussing expansion, forget basketball, dude. It's irrelevant in that discussion...