(08-29-2011 10:33 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  So back on topic...how do you feel about Iran burning Bibles? I wish there was a smiley face smoking a crack pipe...Tom likes to go off topic and the deep end fighting for the sisterhood of the traveling a@@less pants...

I suggest that the religious right talk to their best buddies in Iran's government to complain. Because the religious right in the USA is in bed with Iran.

Somehow I think Jesus would be more concerned about violence and genocide against Gays than about burning some books.

When the religious right attempts to present itself as the persecuted one while it engages in massive levels of persecutions, I'll chime in.

You're an idiot. Who on "the religious right" is best buddies with Iran? Jesus would be concerned if they repented and followed Him by turning away from their sin. They won't likely do so...and I would submit that there are fundamentalists gays, Christians, Jews, Liberals and Republicans who would commit atrocities in the name of what they believe in that don't represent their respective group as a whole. What you gay militants don't realize is that as long as you're MILITANT the blood in the water is your own.

Family Watch International works Iran to help them avoid condemnation at the UN for genocide of Gays. They support throwing all Gays into jail camps. Family Watch International is aligned with the American Family Association and Focus on the Family through Don Feder's WCF.

I'll let you get back to whining about Iran burning a few books while we worry about

Iran (sustained by FWI) publically executing Gay people
Uganda - jailing and/or lynching Gay people, while being cheerled by AMERICAN "CHRISTIAN" FUNDAMENTALISTS.
Ditto in Nigeria, Camaroon,Jamaica, Ghana, Malawi, Botswana, Burundi, Rwanda, and Kenya.

(08-29-2011 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:33 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  So back on topic...how do you feel about Iran burning Bibles? I wish there was a smiley face smoking a crack pipe...Tom likes to go off topic and the deep end fighting for the sisterhood of the traveling a@@less pants...

I suggest that the religious right talk to their best buddies in Iran's government to complain. Because the religious right in the USA is in bed with Iran.

Somehow I think Jesus would be more concerned about violence and genocide against Gays than about burning some books.

When the religious right attempts to present itself as the persecuted one while it engages in massive levels of persecutions, I'll chime in.

You're an idiot. Who on "the religious right" is best buddies with Iran? Jesus would be concerned if they repented and followed Him by turning away from their sin. They won't likely do so...and I would submit that there are fundamentalists gays, Christians, Jews, Liberals and Republicans who would commit atrocities in the name of what they believe in that don't represent their respective group as a whole. What you gay militants don't realize is that as long as you're MILITANT the blood in the water is your own.

Family Watch International works Iran to help them avoid condemnation at the UN for genocide of Gays. They support throwing all Gays into jail camps. Family Watch International is aligned with the American Family Association and Focus on the Family through Don Feder's WCF.

I'll let you get back to whining about Iran burning a few books while we worry about

Iran (sustained by FWI) publically executing Gay people
Uganda - jailing and/or lynching Gay people, while being cheerled by AMERICAN "CHRISTIAN" FUNDAMENTALISTS.
Ditto in Nigeria, Camaroon,Jamaica, Ghana, Malawi, Botswana, Burundi, Rwanda, and Kenya.

Where are the Libertarians shouting.."that's their right as a sovereign nation!".

The FWI, AFA and WCF were addressed in an earlier post. I haven't expressed that Aliens from Mars shouldn't be persecuted so I guess I'm all for it. And I'm not whining about Iranians burning the Bible. I really couldn't care less. There couldn't be more than a few thousand Bibles left over there anyway. The number one book in the world for thousands of years has been through worse than a bunch of rag heads burning it. You should go over there and convince them they're wrong...not blame Christians for the world hating fundamentalist right wing militant gays.

(08-29-2011 10:55 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:33 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  So back on topic...how do you feel about Iran burning Bibles? I wish there was a smiley face smoking a crack pipe...Tom likes to go off topic and the deep end fighting for the sisterhood of the traveling a@@less pants...

I suggest that the religious right talk to their best buddies in Iran's government to complain. Because the religious right in the USA is in bed with Iran.

Somehow I think Jesus would be more concerned about violence and genocide against Gays than about burning some books.

When the religious right attempts to present itself as the persecuted one while it engages in massive levels of persecutions, I'll chime in.

You're an idiot. Who on "the religious right" is best buddies with Iran? Jesus would be concerned if they repented and followed Him by turning away from their sin. They won't likely do so...and I would submit that there are fundamentalists gays, Christians, Jews, Liberals and Republicans who would commit atrocities in the name of what they believe in that don't represent their respective group as a whole. What you gay militants don't realize is that as long as you're MILITANT the blood in the water is your own.

Family Watch International works Iran to help them avoid condemnation at the UN for genocide of Gays. They support throwing all Gays into jail camps. Family Watch International is aligned with the American Family Association and Focus on the Family through Don Feder's WCF.

I'll let you get back to whining about Iran burning a few books while we worry about

Iran (sustained by FWI) publically executing Gay people
Uganda - jailing and/or lynching Gay people, while being cheerled by AMERICAN "CHRISTIAN" FUNDAMENTALISTS.
Ditto in Nigeria, Camaroon,Jamaica, Ghana, Malawi, Botswana, Burundi, Rwanda, and Kenya.

Where are the Libertarians shouting.."that's their right as a sovereign nation!".

The FWI, AFA and WCF were addressed in an earlier post. I haven't expressed that Aliens from Mars shouldn't be persecuted so I guess I'm all for it. And I'm not whining about Iranians burning the Bible. I really couldn't care less. There couldn't be more than a few thousand Bibles left over there anyway. The number one book in the world for thousands of years has been through worse than a bunch of rag heads burning it. You should go over there and convince them they're wrong...not blame Christians for the world hating fundamentalist right wing militant gays.

FWI directly works with Iran and Syria to avoid condemnation for genocide of minority groups. They issue statements (in the US only) attempting to justify it (poorly). But they do NOT DENY IT.

Furthermore, FWI directly supports the legality of placing all Gay people in jailcamps (I guess concentration camps are a 'cultural perspective'). They don't even attempt to deny it.

FWI is a MAJOR part of the fundamentalist movement in the USA, with long standing links to the AFA, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, and Don Feder's WCF.

So whine about your supposed persecution, "christians', while major American 'fundmentalist xtian' groups support jailings, beatings, and worse for Gay people by those same regimes.

Tom, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it. It will continue to be untrue. Your own link contradicts what you continue to spew.

We all know Tom's agenda and those who believe like Tom. They don't want to be equal, they want to be protected. There is a difference. He doesn't mention how Christians are murdered all over the world because he thinks that's ok. He must condone it because he hasn't expressly condemned it. Anyone who doesn't think the way he does is a "fundamentalist right wing Christian terrorist". He fails to see that we don't hate gays we hate their approach and end goal of being protected. And when he reads this he'll say that "we have to be loud to be heard" or some mindless drivel. Keep up the fight Tom and see where it gets you. Some one posted on here a while back that the Nation should vote on the subject of Gay marriage and everything that implies. But we all know gays don't want that because that would be too democratic (American) and they would lose. They are trying to get around democracy and get the Supreme Court to legislate from the bench. In this country voting is what counts and when put to a vote THE PEOPLE say no to your agenda, and they always will as long as you go about it this way.

FWI supports Iran and Syria at the UN when they seek to escape condemnation for genocide of Gay persons. No matter what they say in press releases designed for non-dominionists in the USA. Fact. They work with Iran. And oppose resolutions that say that murder and genocide is wrong.

FWI supports the jailing of Gay persons in violent prisons or jailcamps. They don't even attempt to 'splain that away.

And FWI is strongly linked to the top of the American Dominionist movement through their associations with Don Feder, the AFA, and the WCF.

Please provide proof to back these "claims" up.

Goal of being protected? What does that even mean? The goal seems to be equal rights, what's the non-religious argument against that? I don't know how you can argue against giving someone the same tax benefits that we get.

For those not aware, Tom cheered on 9/11 and was happy so many Americans died.

It's true because I said so.

(08-29-2011 01:04 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The goal seems to be equal rights, what's the non-religious argument against that?

State recognition of your marriage is not a right. It's a benefit. The state routinely puts restrictions on the benefits it provides. Nothing religious about it.

This not a debate about rights, though the gay lobby and easily manipulated liberals want to make it about that. It's about state benefits.

(08-29-2011 01:04 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Goal of being protected? What does that even mean? The goal seems to be equal rights, what's the non-religious argument against that? I don't know how you can argue against giving someone the same tax benefits that we get.

They want to be a protected class. Like religion, gender, race..etc. Sexual orientation shouldn't be a protected class. Being straight isn't a protected class. His argument isn't about being equal its about being protected. Big difference.

(08-29-2011 01:11 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 01:04 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The goal seems to be equal rights, what's the non-religious argument against that?

State recognition of your marriage is not a right. It's a benefit. The state routinely puts restrictions on the benefits it provides. Nothing religious about it.

This not a debate about rights, though the gay lobby and easily manipulated liberals want to make it about that. It's about state benefits.

No this is a debate about xtians whining about persecutions while working with Iran to OPPOSE UN CONDEMNATION OF GENOCIDE against Gays and to support jailing all Gays in violent Jails for the crime of being Gay.

http://international.blogs.uua.org/2011/...itiatives/

AND READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE. Yes, the Mormon Sharon Slater does say she opposes violence, but then she works to oppose any mitigation resolutions at the UN. She'd apparently rather have genocide than have a resolution passed that says "Gays have a right to not be jailed or murdered by the state".

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archiv..._rights%22

In the end of this article, the Mormon Slater invokes the 'cultural perspective' to defend nations throwing Gays into violent prisons for being Gay. She's defending it.

And FWI is linked to AFA, FRC, Focus on the Family, and C-FAM.

Perhaps Sharon Slater over at the FWI and NinerFan should use their influence with Ahmedinjad and Iran to stop the burning of Bibles instead of defending jailing all Gays in violent, brutal prisons and carrying the water for regimes that commit genocide against Gays.

Slater isn't a Christian. Do you know what Mormons believe? Look it up. Pretty weird stuff.

(08-29-2011 01:50 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Slater isn't a Christian. Do you know what Mormons believe? Look it up. Pretty weird stuff.

Whats the difference if they're working with C-FAM (A Catholic Organization doing much of the same things as FWI), and fundamentalist xtian organizations like AFA, FRC, WCF, and Focus on the Family?

I'd agree that Slater doesn't embody Christian values. But neither does Don Feder, Don/Tim Wildmon, C-FAM, or Tony Perkins IMHO.

The embodiment of Christian values doesn't support the gay agenda. What's your point? Gays are persecuted all over the world. So are lots of people and beliefs.

Tom has more influence with Iran than I do. He's part of Al Queda.

Playing a gay militant on this board is part of his cover.

It's true because I say so.

I'm starting to piece this all together....According to Tom....

"Christian" Groups are working with Anti-Christian Nations to kill and persecute Gays.

Ok, that makes sense....or not.

(08-29-2011 02:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm starting to piece this all together....According to Tom....

"Christian" Groups are working with Anti-Christian Nations to kill and persecute Gays.

Ok, that makes sense....or not.

Dude...that makes perfect sense. If you distort how you define Christian.

(08-29-2011 01:56 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  The embodiment of Christian values doesn't support the gay agenda. What's your point? Gays are persecuted all over the world. So are lots of people and beliefs.

And the fundamentalist right wing is simulatenously whining about persecution (in the form of burning of a Bible) while at the SAME time working with repulsive regimes to support and sustain far worse persecution.

Does the embodyment of "Christian" values encourage the jailing of Gays in violent jailcamps? Or the denial of health care? Or carrying the water for genocidal regimes?

Go to FWI's website. You'll see policy briefs advocating criminalization of throwing Gay people in prison for the crime of private consensual sex between unrelated adults.